[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
This is the thing I’ve noticed, coaching kids for 20yrs. The ones that believed they would squat a 700lb, truely believed this and worked hard at it, not listening to doubters, always ended up squatting 500lbs.
The kids that believed everyone was on juice, that no one could possibly squat 700 natty, stalled arround 250lbs, and never got much past that, giving excuses for this–training natural - poor genitics. The point is I’ve had a dozen or so kids squat 500lbs over the years naturaly, and they were the ones that didn’t put limits on them selves. So believe what you want, but if you don’t shoot for the stars, you’ll never make it to the clouds ![/quote]
Shoot, I’m 2-3 months of good training from 495 LBBS and I’ve only been squatting for 2 years at this point.
I’m sure 2xBW bench, 3xBW squat, 3xBW deadlift are achievable naturally for SOME people.
My brother has been training for roughly as long as me and he tracks his nutrition better, does more mobility work, gets more sleep, and is behind my best lifts by a significant margin in both total amount and relative to bodyweight. Some people are just naturally stronger.
Exactly, so why set limits on yourself. good work, by the way. Every time i post on here that I work with 16-24yr kids, and that are goal is 1000lb total, that I have most of my kids hitting this goal in around a year, or year, and a half. Everyone cries bullshit, saying kids can’t go from nothing to 1000 in a year.
This is because they’ve convinced themselves it can’t be done, instead of going to the gym 3xweek, and pushing hard on the basics. 1000lbs = 400lb squat, 400lb dead, and 200lb bench. Give me a 160lb,16yr kid who’s not afraid to eat, work hard, and listen, and i’ll give you 1000lbs in a year every time. Then they’re buddies accuse them of being on steroids, because they don’t have the drive.
Stop worrying about shit on the net, thats out of your control. Start going to the gym, putting weight on the bar on a handfull of basic exercises, working as hard as humanly posisble, eat alot, sleep alot, and shut up. Soon people will be accusing you of being on steroids to
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Exactly, so why set limits on yourself. good work, by the way. Every time i post on here that I work with 16-24yr kids, and that are goal is 1000lb total, that I have most of my kids hitting this goal in around a year, or year, and a half. Everyone cries bullshit, saying kids can’t go from nothing to 1000 in a year.
This is because they’ve convinced themselves it can’t be done, instead of going to the gym 3xweek, and pushing hard on the basics. 1000lbs = 400lb squat, 400lb dead, and 200lb bench. Give me a 160lb,16yr kid who’s not afraid to eat, work hard, and listen, and i’ll give you 1000lbs in a year every time. Then they’re buddies accuse them of being on steroids, because they don’t have the drive.
Stop worrying about shit on the net, thats out of your control. Start going to the gym, putting weight on the bar on a handfull of basic exercises, working as hard as humanly posisble, eat alot, sleep alot, and shut up. Soon people will be accusing you of being on steroids to[/quote]
AMEN Jake. Nothing replaces hard work and perseverance.
[quote]Beast5452 wrote:
I am a 15 year old beginner Looking to set some lifetime lifting goals and I was wondering what the highest lifetime drug free Deadlift , Squat, and bench press is. and Unless your positive these people never took any thing please do not come back with powerlifting watch records saying some crazy number that just was some one who had know how to dodge the drug tests. [/quote]
Got to PLwatch.com, look up the world records and look up the tested world records. Tested doesn’t always mean drug free but it is the closest thing you can get on a broad scale. People have deadlifted over 900 lbs tested.
Get strong enough to worry about gains from drugs, and then this question won’t even matter. Generally the people that asks things like this never actually end up getting close enough to where it matters in the first place .
World records, natty or not, will always be slowly going up over time, as advances in nutrition, training, supplementation, and drugs advance. As a rule of thumb, they will keep going up more and more slowly as time progresses, as we constantly eek ever so slightly more potential out of our bodies. So don’t worry about absolute numbers. Just keep working to improve yours, and catch the dudes (or girls) that are stronger than you.
These threads are almost as bad as the ones that pose a question like: “Who would win in a fight? A girl with a 3rd degree black belt, or a male bodybuilder with no martial arts training?”
[quote]The Anchor wrote:
These threads are almost as bad as the ones that pose a question like: “Who would win in a fight? A girl with a 3rd degree black belt, or a male bodybuilder with no martial arts training?”[/quote]
Here’s the thing; if the bodybuilder competes in untested competitions, and is in the offseason, and has a 2-ton grizzly bear on his side, he wins.
If the girl is over 5’8", and weighs at least 160 lbs, and has a male african lion on her side, and 2 midgets however, she has a chance.
It depends on the terrain, and whether or not there are weapons in the fighting environment that can be used. Another big factor is whether the bodybuilders bear has cubs it is protecting, or just came out of hibernation, or just finished fighting 100 grown men without weapons.
If we can answer all these questions, we will know the truth!
[quote]The Anchor wrote:
These threads are almost as bad as the ones that pose a question like: “Who would win in a fight? A girl with a 3rd degree black belt, or a male bodybuilder with no martial arts training?”[/quote]
Here’s the thing; if the bodybuilder competes in untested competitions, and is in the offseason, and has a 2-ton grizzly bear on his side, he wins.
If the girl is over 5’8", and weighs at least 160 lbs, and has a male african lion on her side, and 2 midgets however, she has a chance.
It depends on the terrain, and whether or not there are weapons in the fighting environment that can be used. Another big factor is whether the bodybuilders bear has cubs it is protecting, or just came out of hibernation, or just finished fighting 100 grown men without weapons.
If we can answer all these questions, we will know the truth![/quote]
as if the biggest guys let a bear fight along side them
[quote]The Anchor wrote:
These threads are almost as bad as the ones that pose a question like: “Who would win in a fight? A girl with a 3rd degree black belt, or a male bodybuilder with no martial arts training?”[/quote]
Here’s the thing; if the bodybuilder competes in untested competitions, and is in the offseason, and has a 2-ton grizzly bear on his side, he wins.
If the girl is over 5’8", and weighs at least 160 lbs, and has a male african lion on her side, and 2 midgets however, she has a chance.
It depends on the terrain, and whether or not there are weapons in the fighting environment that can be used. Another big factor is whether the bodybuilders bear has cubs it is protecting, or just came out of hibernation, or just finished fighting 100 grown men without weapons.
If we can answer all these questions, we will know the truth![/quote]
as if the biggest guys let a bear fight along side them[/quote]
If Khabib is validated on the fight then i don’t know the result anymore
Agreed, though he probably won’t be 160lbs anymore and those numbers won’t be that neat. Once the neuro side is developed there is no reason why 1,000 pound totals aren’t achievable in a reasonable amount of time.
Pretty much, I think that’s the usually case. For the most part, it’s not a major deal to continue/restart a dead conversation because the info can still be relevant or at the very least interesting.
What becomes a problem, and why bumps are sometimes deleted, is people trying to reply to long-since-gone members or trying to “solve” the OP’s problem when it’s been years since the problem was first mentioned.
