people lie all the time, even more so when it comes to weightlifting doesn’t matter that its on this forum or in real life. Yet when you walk into a gym, you will realize how few actually do what they say they can.
When it comes to manliness guys lie all the time, whether its sex or lifting they lie more about these things in order to seem more manly.
If you notice on the powerful women forum they don’t have this problem, I would say everyone of them is honest with their lifts. Women in general have no point to lie about their lifts like men.
[quote]shizen wrote:
When it comes to manliness guys lie all the time, whether its sex or lifting they lie more about these things in order to seem more manly.[/quote]
I can have sex for 67 hours non-stop before climaxing. And deadlift 500kg.
[quote]shizen wrote:
people lie all the time, even more so when it comes to weightlifting doesn’t matter that its on this forum or in real life. Yet when you walk into a gym, you will realize how few actually do what they say they can.
When it comes to manliness guys lie all the time, whether its sex or lifting they lie more about these things in order to seem more manly.
If you notice on the powerful women forum they don’t have this problem, I would say everyone of them is honest with their lifts. Women in general have no point to lie about their lifts like men. [/quote]
Are you telling me that none of those ladies on the figure boards lie about their diet and training…BS! Don’t be naive, certain types of people lie gender is irrelevant.
Interesting you think people are more honest in an online forum than in real life. Not saying your wrong but seems people “hide” behind their computer because there’s no accountability or burden of proof. [/quote]
Yeah, you’d think that. And that defiantly happens.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
I love T-Nation but if you went by nothing but the posts on here and the critiques people have on each other you’d HAVE to assume the following:
EVERYONE IS RIPPED
HAS WON A BB CONTEST
HAS A PHD IN SOMETHING
NEVER CHEATS ON THEIR DIET,EVER
HAS 20’ ARMS AND A BARREL CHEST
SQUATS OVER 350 FOR REPS
BENCHES OVER 315 FOR REPS
DOES MEGA CARDIO ALL THE TIME
IS CLEAN AND ALL NATURAL
HAS WOMEN CHASING THEM, RIGHT NOW
NEVER,EVER MADE A MISTAKE
CAN DO 20 PULL-UPS NON-STOP
I know it’s the net, but get real folks. Liar, Liar!
Yeah, I squat over 350 for reps. 2 reps. Ha!
I don’t count that in my mind as “for reps.” If you’re doing
something for “for reps” it’s gotta be at the very least 6 reps.
You either max, get a double, get a triple, or get a 5RM. No. No one ever gets just 4 reps. You either cheated on one of the reps and it’s your 3RM or it was your 5RM and you didn’t try hard enough. I remember a weenie friend of mine told me he was doing 200lbs on bench for reps. I asked him how many and he said 2. There’s a world of difference between 8 clean reps and doing an invisible 5-board press for 2 reps, pal.
I can do 20 pull-ups non-stop.
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I disagree. I think anything after 3 is for reps. Because the first 3 have their names, single double triple. Once you get to saying “yea dude I do 350 for a quadruple” it sounds retarded, so you say for reps. Its just for simplicity.
Also squatting 350 for reps isn’t that great of a goal, or a big deal. The squat point should be at least 500 for reps. This point will normally take most people to their upper limits, and they will have had to have 3-4 years of lifting experience, for the general population anyways.
Also squatting 350 for reps isn’t that great of a goal, or a big deal. The squat point should be at least 500 for reps. This point will normally take most people to their upper limits, and they will have had to have 3-4 years of lifting experience, for the general population anyways.
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LOL.
Most people will NEVER be able to squat 500lbs even if they lift for two decades. As seen on this forum often, it is rare for most of these guys to even look like they lift after 3-4 years.
Also squatting 350 for reps isn’t that great of a goal, or a big deal. The squat point should be at least 500 for reps. This point will normally take most people to their upper limits, and they will have had to have 3-4 years of lifting experience, for the general population anyways.
LOL.
Most people will NEVER be able to squat 500lbs even if they lift for two decades. As seen on this forum often, it is rare for most of these guys to even look like they lift after 3-4 years.[/quote]
Ain’t that the truth. I’m still relatively new at this. I just worked up to squatting 245 ATG for 8. It seems by the standard here at T-Nation that I’m a total pussy. By the standard set at my gym (not hardcore by any means) I’m some sort of mutant freak. I think that in reality I am somewhere between those two extremes.
Also squatting 350 for reps isn’t that great of a goal, or a big deal. The squat point should be at least 500 for reps. This point will normally take most people to their upper limits, and they will have had to have 3-4 years of lifting experience, for the general population anyways.
LOL.
Most people will NEVER be able to squat 500lbs even if they lift for two decades. As seen on this forum often, it is rare for most of these guys to even look like they lift after 3-4 years.[/quote]
If someone is stuck at lets say 315 for 3 reps. Why not buy a pair of wraps and go for a 4th rep then? Or hell, decrease the weight and increase the reps. Most people are capable of putting up a lot of weight, they just don’t give a shit enough to learn and do it. I can’t count the number of times someone putting up numbers way bigger than mine, and walking up to them and asking for advice.
Interesting you think people are more honest in an online forum than in real life. Not saying your wrong but seems people “hide” behind their computer because there’s no accountability or burden of proof. [/quote]
People hide, but like right now you are calling them out. They are hiding, but often times they are revealed for whatever reason. THe arguments they make they often won’t back up, and proof is hard to come by.
There are people who can do a good portion of the stuff you mentioned. I most def. could do the strength portion that you led off with (squat and bench) but I was far from ripped (275lbs)
I know it is frustrating when you are talking about a subject and someone interjects with a though or idea, and it is completly out of the realm of possibility. Don’t let it get to you, it will only lead to you not gaining from the forumns what they really ncan provide.
I have read the articles on this website for 4 years, yet I never have used the forumns for anything. I thought they were useless. Yet, the ability for me to bounce ideas and thoughts off of other people, helpful or not, has really helped me change a lot about my training and lifestyle.
Right now I am the lightest I have been since my freshman year of High School. It feels great, and it’s the fact that I can talk to passionate people like yourself that has lead to it.
Let the crap sink to the bottom, but don’t dismiss everythig you read as such.
1)wearing a belt for every set will limit your squat. If your back never is given all the stimulus it won’t be able to keep up with your squatting poundages. Most people can leg press a million pounds, It is you back that limits Your strength. LOSE THE BELT TILL A MAX!
A2G squatting is beneficial, but if you never plan on entering a powerlifting competition it isn’t a true necessity. Slightly below parallel will be sufficient. Going A2G will put tremendous stress on your joints and bone structure. Most PL’s have ligiment and joint problems for a reason. Decide what your goals are and approach training accordingly.
[/b]1)wearing a belt for every set will limit your squat. If your back never is given all the stimulus it won’t be able to keep up with your squatting poundages. Most people can leg press a million pounds, It is you back that limits Your strength. LOSE THE BELT TILL A MAX![/b]
A2G squatting is beneficial, but if you never plan on entering a powerlifting competition it isn’t a true necessity. Slightly below parallel will be sufficient. Going A2G will put tremendous stress on your joints and bone structure. Most PL’s have ligiment and joint problems for a reason. Decide what your goals are and approach training accordingly.
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sounds like a good way to limit leg development, some of us don’t max effort as much as someone training for PLing. Im sure any one of the many deadlift variations and free weight rowing movements give enough stimulus to the lower back.
I stopped reading on page two…but squatting 350 for reps is pretty standard for anyone who’s been lifting for more than a year or so (assuming they’re of the normal height and weight)
and worked legs with any consistency.
[quote]MikiB wrote:
woohitter wrote:
To the point of squats.
[/b]1)wearing a belt for every set will limit your squat. If your back never is given all the stimulus it won’t be able to keep up with your squatting poundages. Most people can leg press a million pounds, It is you back that limits Your strength. LOSE THE BELT TILL A MAX![/b]
A2G squatting is beneficial, but if you never plan on entering a powerlifting competition it isn’t a true necessity. Slightly below parallel will be sufficient. Going A2G will put tremendous stress on your joints and bone structure. Most PL’s have ligiment and joint problems for a reason. Decide what your goals are and approach training accordingly.
sounds like a good way to limit leg development, some of us don’t max effort as much as someone training for PLing. Im sure any one of the many deadlift variations and free weight rowing movements give enough stimulus to the lower back.[/quote]
Some people do not deadlift. Yes if you are mixing in deads with squatting then your back development will keep up. Take Louie Simmons and westside, they dont really squat all that often, they do good mornings though to develop there lower back.
Its the same premise as someone with an ankle injury, if you always tape it regardless of activity, it will never develop the strength it needs to stabalize.
Support is great, but allow your body to develop some itself.
1)wearing a belt for every set will limit your squat. If your back never is given all the stimulus it won’t be able to keep up with your squatting poundages. Most people can leg press a million pounds, It is you back that limits Your strength. LOSE THE BELT TILL A MAX!
A2G squatting is beneficial, but if you never plan on entering a powerlifting competition it isn’t a true necessity. Slightly below parallel will be sufficient. Going A2G will put tremendous stress on your joints and bone structure. Most PL’s have ligiment and joint problems for a reason. Decide what your goals are and approach training accordingly.
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A lot of powerlifters don’t squat A2G, nor do they need to, since it’s way below legal depth. I know I don’t. I just get my hips a little below context height and that’s it. Otherwise it’s box squatting right at parallel.
I agree about the belt for the most part, but once I hit about 80% I throw the belt on. If you’re worried about back strength you’d be better off keeping the belt, but using a safety bar. I do a lot of pulling without a belt. The belt seems to offer more support in the squat than the deadlift, kinda like how stringbeans might be able to pull but almost never squat big. That’s my theory anyway, but I’m not even a master PL’er yet.
Isn’t variety the spice of life? Board presses are partials (not the ASG) versions of BPs but if you have a sticky bench and need some triceps work to bust a plateau they are a tool. Rack pulls are a tool for sore spots in a “full” deadlift.
If all you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.
The people that bug me are the ones that won’t do the work because they are making bullshit excuses. “My knees hurt if I try to go A2G.” Could it be because you have no Dorsal Flexion, or you have relied on belts or wraps too long and reached your thershold?
There is more than one way to skin a cat and there is more than one way to get strong. If your goal is to 1/4 squat 405 for “reps” then so be it but don’t kid yourself and compare yourself to the guys who are motivated, educated and willing to do it RIGHT!
Some guys on this forum scare me. They should - by comparisson I am a flea and completely fine with that.
Some people do not deadlift. Yes if you are mixing in deads with squatting then your back development will keep up. Take Louie Simmons and westside, they dont really squat all that often, they do good mornings though to develop there lower back.
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They Squat at the very least once a week.
The reason the Leg Press is easier than the squat is not because there’s no back strength required. It’s because you’re doing a half squat, no great effort of stabilization is required, your getting a tremendous amount of support from the seat, and the sled is at an angle.
[quote]SSC wrote:
MikiB wrote:
I’d love to see the ass to grass squats everyone keeps talking about. I have seen one person in my gym come close to ass to grass, and the weight was 295lb.
I’ve seen plenty of people load up anywhere from 245 to 335 and start doing it for “reps”.
ohhh… and apparently my belt squats the weight for me.
It’s incredible the kind of looks you get when you go A2G. Most people realize the looks you get just from doing squats, but back in my college gym I’d be doing A2G with something fairly light when I first started (about 245ish,) and guys were just staring at me from their flat-benches like I was some sort of freak or idiot. I mean, training legs is for chumps afterall.[/quote]
I once heard a whisper “Yo man, why is that guy going so low” … “It’s called ass to calves man” … “whoaaaa”
The best motivation is to get a hot chick to lie under you when you’re squatting. If you squat low enough, she licks your balls. The only risk there is potential over training.