Let's Process Our Feelings

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other Penelope Pitstop news, I called a guy to schedule a first appointment yesterday, and we got on the topic of names (I was asking what he prefers). Anyway, we were on the phone for maybe five minutes at most, and at the end he announced me funny in a delighted way that made my eyes widen in terror, because having newly discovered that I’m some sort of femme fatale for Men With Issues, I’m freaked out that my regular me will be problematic in a therapy context.

I had dinner with my best friend last night and she first suggested that I develop some boundaries, but what, I’m not going to be enjoyable to talk to and still somehow do the work? I’ll just sit there flatly to prevent middle-aged male clients from liking me? Then she said I should wear a wedding ring at work to set a visual boundary and then not worry if they develop a little crush. But that seems weird and dishonest to me.

We were rolling over the idea that I could explain that my private caseload is full currently (ex-boyfriend, Tim, popped up in email yesterday morning, probably drunk Wednesday night when he sent them, still don’t feel clear of the hunter yet, and of course ex-husband is still in the picture platonically) and so I’m not currently accepting boyfriends.

It’s funny, but sort of - not. [/quote]

Meh, this won’t be a problem once you start delving into the issues, assuming that you are the professional that I think you are.

Talking about names and talking about horrible life events are 2 very different things, and you will automatically put up the necessary boundaries anyway.

Being fun and being a good therapist aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
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Correct. I’m told, and I can sense, that I"m very good at what I do. This is just all new to me, both the men and the issues facing older adults. Women of any age are fine for me, and I had a couple of men in their twenties in yesterday and that’s comfy, too. Old men, I’m guessing no problem.

Talking during dinner the other night it became really clear to me, I think for the first time, the extent to which I’ve shielded myself from men, which is how I’ve reached my 40s and find myself in this absurd state of incompetence.

I was a really nerdy kid. Awkward hair, crooked glasses, the works. I wasn’t an early dater, and puberty started late for me. Around late 15 I changed - suddenly body rocked, got a slight grip on my hair, and lost my glasses in a friend’s yard. By then my family had really fallen apart and by 16 I was becoming feral, ultimately running away and crossing the country. Boys and men started becoming ominous, as they do with vulnerable girls. After all, I was hanging out with at-risk boys. And men in their twenties and thirties can be some creepy ass fuckers when they think they’d spotted a victim. I was able to keep myself safe by developing coping skills that I wasn’t even aware I’d developed, such as invisibility, conflict avoidance, probably whatever it is that bonds protective men quickly to me. It wasn’t long before my mother determined that perhaps I was better off with her than my father, and I resumed a more typical life.

Meanwhile, my social skills with everyone but men I perceived as potential threats were developing madly. I remember a conversation in here several years ago, with maybe Neph and Uncle Gabby, about flirting and I said I didn’t do it. At all. If I was in line at a Starbucks I would chat with anyone near me, except men in a potential sexual/romantic age range. I said and thought it was because I was married and didn’t want to suggest things I didn’t mean. Until now almost all of my adult jobs have been working with women and children (an exception being the gym where I met my ex-husband) and my coworkers have been largely female.

Anyway, now I’m letting the coping skills go and it all seems weird and vaguely anxiety-producing. I’ve known forever that my SMV has been higher when I meet guys in a group setting that’s comfortable for me, I assumed because my personality offered compensation for my looks. Now I realize that was the only context within which I interacted normally, until professional development had me working increasingly with men in my demographic as team members. But that’s not intimate. Dating and therapy are.

It’ll be okay. I’m not going to wear a ring, because although that might be easier in the short term it’s ultimately self-defeating. For one thing, I would like to meet someone (not a patient, though, lol) and for another, I’ve been able to tell 100 kids and grandmas that I can’t accept cookies/coffees/shepherd’s pie and various other gifts and invitations to birthday parties and weddings and such. (I did take the Anne of Green Gables ornament from the librarian’s kid, because I was as excited about their pilgrimage to PEI as they were, which is why they brought it back for me.) So it’s not like I can’t express appropriate refusal.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other Penelope Pitstop news, I called a guy to schedule a first appointment yesterday, and we got on the topic of names (I was asking what he prefers). Anyway, we were on the phone for maybe five minutes at most, and at the end he announced me funny in a delighted way that made my eyes widen in terror, because having newly discovered that I’m some sort of femme fatale for Men With Issues, I’m freaked out that my regular me will be problematic in a therapy context.

I had dinner with my best friend last night and she first suggested that I develop some boundaries, but what, I’m not going to be enjoyable to talk to and still somehow do the work? I’ll just sit there flatly to prevent middle-aged male clients from liking me? Then she said I should wear a wedding ring at work to set a visual boundary and then not worry if they develop a little crush. But that seems weird and dishonest to me.

We were rolling over the idea that I could explain that my private caseload is full currently (ex-boyfriend, Tim, popped up in email yesterday morning, probably drunk Wednesday night when he sent them, still don’t feel clear of the hunter yet, and of course ex-husband is still in the picture platonically) and so I’m not currently accepting boyfriends.

It’s funny, but sort of - not. [/quote]

Meh, this won’t be a problem once you start delving into the issues, assuming that you are the professional that I think you are.

Talking about names and talking about horrible life events are 2 very different things, and you will automatically put up the necessary boundaries anyway.

Being fun and being a good therapist aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
[/quote]

If she is their therapist guys will want to bone her.

That is not only not a problem but it is to be expected and it gives her the opportunity to find out how and why and what they actually want to bone, because they will try to turn her into their ideal by projecting unto her massively.

If she wants to do it right there can be no blocking, no shielding, no fucking.

Its dirty work, thats what it is.

[/quote]

I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Being fun and being a good therapist aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
[/quote]

You ever miss that work? I’m betting you were pretty good at it.

The therapist I was seeing for panic and anxiety was a lot of fun, outgoing, very bright and optimistic. Also very effective.

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I agree, and wonder that too, sometimes. I know you had to be fantastic at it.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!

[/quote]

Yeah well, if you try to turn them into women you suck as a therapist.

At least for men, stick to children.

Female children.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other Penelope Pitstop news, I called a guy to schedule a first appointment yesterday, and we got on the topic of names (I was asking what he prefers). Anyway, we were on the phone for maybe five minutes at most, and at the end he announced me funny in a delighted way that made my eyes widen in terror, because having newly discovered that I’m some sort of femme fatale for Men With Issues, I’m freaked out that my regular me will be problematic in a therapy context.

I had dinner with my best friend last night and she first suggested that I develop some boundaries, but what, I’m not going to be enjoyable to talk to and still somehow do the work? I’ll just sit there flatly to prevent middle-aged male clients from liking me? Then she said I should wear a wedding ring at work to set a visual boundary and then not worry if they develop a little crush. But that seems weird and dishonest to me.

We were rolling over the idea that I could explain that my private caseload is full currently (ex-boyfriend, Tim, popped up in email yesterday morning, probably drunk Wednesday night when he sent them, still don’t feel clear of the hunter yet, and of course ex-husband is still in the picture platonically) and so I’m not currently accepting boyfriends.

It’s funny, but sort of - not. [/quote]

Meh, this won’t be a problem once you start delving into the issues, assuming that you are the professional that I think you are.

Talking about names and talking about horrible life events are 2 very different things, and you will automatically put up the necessary boundaries anyway.

Being fun and being a good therapist aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
[/quote]

If she is their therapist guys will want to bone her.

That is not only not a problem but it is to be expected and it gives her the opportunity to find out how and why and what they actually want to bone, because they will try to turn her into their ideal by projecting unto her massively.

If she wants to do it right there can be no blocking, no shielding, no fucking.

Its dirty work, thats what it is.

[/quote]

I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!

[/quote]

Boning talk is so annoying. It’s like some kind of self-validation attempt. Please analyze why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?

[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other Penelope Pitstop news, I called a guy to schedule a first appointment yesterday, and we got on the topic of names (I was asking what he prefers). Anyway, we were on the phone for maybe five minutes at most, and at the end he announced me funny in a delighted way that made my eyes widen in terror, because having newly discovered that I’m some sort of femme fatale for Men With Issues, I’m freaked out that my regular me will be problematic in a therapy context.

I had dinner with my best friend last night and she first suggested that I develop some boundaries, but what, I’m not going to be enjoyable to talk to and still somehow do the work? I’ll just sit there flatly to prevent middle-aged male clients from liking me? Then she said I should wear a wedding ring at work to set a visual boundary and then not worry if they develop a little crush. But that seems weird and dishonest to me.

We were rolling over the idea that I could explain that my private caseload is full currently (ex-boyfriend, Tim, popped up in email yesterday morning, probably drunk Wednesday night when he sent them, still don’t feel clear of the hunter yet, and of course ex-husband is still in the picture platonically) and so I’m not currently accepting boyfriends.

It’s funny, but sort of - not. [/quote]

Meh, this won’t be a problem once you start delving into the issues, assuming that you are the professional that I think you are.

Talking about names and talking about horrible life events are 2 very different things, and you will automatically put up the necessary boundaries anyway.

Being fun and being a good therapist aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
[/quote]

If she is their therapist guys will want to bone her.

That is not only not a problem but it is to be expected and it gives her the opportunity to find out how and why and what they actually want to bone, because they will try to turn her into their ideal by projecting unto her massively.

If she wants to do it right there can be no blocking, no shielding, no fucking.

Its dirty work, thats what it is.

[/quote]

I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!

[/quote]

Boning talk is so annoying. It’s like some kind of self-validation attempt. Please analyze why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?[/quote]

In a therapeutic relationship?

Really?

Somehow I was under the impression that the main goal of a therapy was not not to annoy the therapist.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other Penelope Pitstop news, I called a guy to schedule a first appointment yesterday, and we got on the topic of names (I was asking what he prefers). Anyway, we were on the phone for maybe five minutes at most, and at the end he announced me funny in a delighted way that made my eyes widen in terror, because having newly discovered that I’m some sort of femme fatale for Men With Issues, I’m freaked out that my regular me will be problematic in a therapy context.

I had dinner with my best friend last night and she first suggested that I develop some boundaries, but what, I’m not going to be enjoyable to talk to and still somehow do the work? I’ll just sit there flatly to prevent middle-aged male clients from liking me? Then she said I should wear a wedding ring at work to set a visual boundary and then not worry if they develop a little crush. But that seems weird and dishonest to me.

We were rolling over the idea that I could explain that my private caseload is full currently (ex-boyfriend, Tim, popped up in email yesterday morning, probably drunk Wednesday night when he sent them, still don’t feel clear of the hunter yet, and of course ex-husband is still in the picture platonically) and so I’m not currently accepting boyfriends.

It’s funny, but sort of - not. [/quote]

Meh, this won’t be a problem once you start delving into the issues, assuming that you are the professional that I think you are.

Talking about names and talking about horrible life events are 2 very different things, and you will automatically put up the necessary boundaries anyway.

Being fun and being a good therapist aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
[/quote]

If she is their therapist guys will want to bone her.

That is not only not a problem but it is to be expected and it gives her the opportunity to find out how and why and what they actually want to bone, because they will try to turn her into their ideal by projecting unto her massively.

If she wants to do it right there can be no blocking, no shielding, no fucking.

Its dirty work, thats what it is.

[/quote]

I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!

[/quote]

Boning talk is so annoying. It’s like some kind of self-validation attempt. Please analyze why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?[/quote]

In a therapeutic relationship?

Really?

Somehow I was under the impression that the main goal of a therapy was not not to annoy the therapist.

[/quote]

The goal of therapy is to reduce or eliminate maladaptive thought and behavior patterns, or to identify blocks to optimal functioning.

In the same way that I would not allow an obese woman to focus on WHAT she ate that maintains her obesity, but rather WHY, I would not allow someone with sexual/relationship issues to describe sex, but rather would focus on the emotions behind it. A question I would ask is “what are you avoiding by focusing on this?”

If you want to talk about boning, you should find some buddies who’ll be entertained by it. I would be (have been!) more interested in why you are so afraid to look beyond that in your dealings with women.

[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other Penelope Pitstop news, I called a guy to schedule a first appointment yesterday, and we got on the topic of names (I was asking what he prefers). Anyway, we were on the phone for maybe five minutes at most, and at the end he announced me funny in a delighted way that made my eyes widen in terror, because having newly discovered that I’m some sort of femme fatale for Men With Issues, I’m freaked out that my regular me will be problematic in a therapy context.

I had dinner with my best friend last night and she first suggested that I develop some boundaries, but what, I’m not going to be enjoyable to talk to and still somehow do the work? I’ll just sit there flatly to prevent middle-aged male clients from liking me? Then she said I should wear a wedding ring at work to set a visual boundary and then not worry if they develop a little crush. But that seems weird and dishonest to me.

We were rolling over the idea that I could explain that my private caseload is full currently (ex-boyfriend, Tim, popped up in email yesterday morning, probably drunk Wednesday night when he sent them, still don’t feel clear of the hunter yet, and of course ex-husband is still in the picture platonically) and so I’m not currently accepting boyfriends.

It’s funny, but sort of - not. [/quote]

Meh, this won’t be a problem once you start delving into the issues, assuming that you are the professional that I think you are.

Talking about names and talking about horrible life events are 2 very different things, and you will automatically put up the necessary boundaries anyway.

Being fun and being a good therapist aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
[/quote]

If she is their therapist guys will want to bone her.

That is not only not a problem but it is to be expected and it gives her the opportunity to find out how and why and what they actually want to bone, because they will try to turn her into their ideal by projecting unto her massively.

If she wants to do it right there can be no blocking, no shielding, no fucking.

Its dirty work, thats what it is.

[/quote]

I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!

[/quote]

Boning talk is so annoying. It’s like some kind of self-validation attempt. Please analyze why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?[/quote]

I have to report that I just started laughing all over again about this: “why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?”

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!

[/quote]

Yeah well, if you try to turn them into women you suck as a therapist.

At least for men, stick to children.

Female children.

[/quote]

And by the way, NO. I’m not sticking to children. From now on, I’m going to be ALL up in men’s business! Socially, professionally - you won’t be able to escape me! I’LL BE EVERYWHERE.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!
[/quote]

Boning talk is so annoying. It’s like some kind of self-validation attempt. Please analyze why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?[/quote]

In a therapeutic relationship?

Really?

Somehow I was under the impression that the main goal of a therapy was not not to annoy the therapist.

[/quote]

The goal of therapy is to reduce or eliminate maladaptive thought and behavior patterns, or to identify blocks to optimal functioning.

In the same way that I would not allow an obese woman to focus on WHAT she ate that maintains her obesity, but rather WHY, I would not allow someone with sexual/relationship issues to describe sex, but rather would focus on the emotions behind it. A question I would ask is “what are you avoiding by focusing on this?”

If you want to talk about boning, you should find some buddies who’ll be entertained by it. I would be (have been!) more interested in why you are so afraid to look beyond that in your dealings with women.[/quote]

While I somewhat agree with this, you may want to consider that you’re avoiding it because it makes you uncomfortable. You’re basically saying “I’m female, I don’t think you should look at things that way, so I’m not going to let you”. There’s a certain fundamental maleness that you’re denying by not allowing that to be a means of communication.

Because as you just said, it’s not about the what, it’s about the who, how, why. If the guy has developed an infatuation with a girl that he knows is low quality, but pursues it anyway. If the guy is friends with attractive women, but isn’t attracted to the women he sleeps with. If the guy only prefers oral sex with hookers. If he has multiple partners because he enjoys it, or if he has multiple partners because of emotional intimacy issues and doesn’t want anyone to get too close.

You take the what, and then you get him trying to understand his choices. Is he using the dopamine rush to compensate for dissatisfaction elsewhere in his life? Why doesn’t he approach the women he perceives as quality women? Likewise, why does he compulsively pursue “relationships” with women who he knows aren’t quality women? During sex itself, is it about his power and control over her, or is it about letting her have power over him?

And maybe these are things that men can see and women don’t. I really don’t know.

The sex, the women, the ‘boning’, that’s not the important part. It’s that he’s using that as a means for communication, and I think it’s important to learn to work within that. Otherwise you’re left with trying to communicate thoughts and feelings via mechanisms that he probably hasn’t developed. You can either hope he develops them, or you can open yourself to allowing and understanding his natural means of communication.

You can say that men don’t talk about feelings, that they talk about cars, women, sports, projects, houses, they tell jokes, they talk about abstract ideas. But these conversations are rampant with feelings; it’s just a different way of communicating.

As stupid as it sounds, letting a guy explain why he drives a Honda, wants to own an Acura, but turns his nose at Mercedes and Audi, somewhat makes an exception for Infiniti, completely scorns Volkswagen, and wouldn’t be caught dead looking at an American car… there’s a lot of insight that can be gleaned from that if you just dig into the beliefs that drive those preferences.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I will block boning talk! What do I care how and why and what they want to bone? Ugh, NO. I will talk instead about how BONING TALK is what is blocking them from having any meaningful relationships, which will undoubtedly be why they’re coming to see me!
[/quote]

Boning talk is so annoying. It’s like some kind of self-validation attempt. Please analyze why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?[/quote]

In a therapeutic relationship?

Really?

Somehow I was under the impression that the main goal of a therapy was not not to annoy the therapist.

[/quote]

The goal of therapy is to reduce or eliminate maladaptive thought and behavior patterns, or to identify blocks to optimal functioning.

In the same way that I would not allow an obese woman to focus on WHAT she ate that maintains her obesity, but rather WHY, I would not allow someone with sexual/relationship issues to describe sex, but rather would focus on the emotions behind it. A question I would ask is “what are you avoiding by focusing on this?”

If you want to talk about boning, you should find some buddies who’ll be entertained by it. I would be (have been!) more interested in why you are so afraid to look beyond that in your dealings with women.[/quote]

While I somewhat agree with this, you may want to consider that you’re avoiding it because it makes you uncomfortable. You’re basically saying “I’m female, I don’t think you should look at things that way, so I’m not going to let you”. There’s a certain fundamental maleness that you’re denying by not allowing that to be a means of communication.

Because as you just said, it’s not about the what, it’s about the who, how, why. If the guy has developed an infatuation with a girl that he knows is low quality, but pursues it anyway. If the guy is friends with attractive women, but isn’t attracted to the women he sleeps with. If the guy only prefers oral sex with hookers. If he has multiple partners because he enjoys it, or if he has multiple partners because of emotional intimacy issues and doesn’t want anyone to get too close.

You take the what, and then you get him trying to understand his choices. Is he using the dopamine rush to compensate for dissatisfaction elsewhere in his life? Why doesn’t he approach the women he perceives as quality women? Likewise, why does he compulsively pursue “relationships” with women who he knows aren’t quality women? During sex itself, is it about his power and control over her, or is it about letting her have power over him?

And maybe these are things that men can see and women don’t. I really don’t know.

The sex, the women, the ‘boning’, that’s not the important part. It’s that he’s using that as a means for communication, and I think it’s important to learn to work within that. Otherwise you’re left with trying to communicate thoughts and feelings via mechanisms that he probably hasn’t developed. You can either hope he develops them, or you can open yourself to allowing and understanding his natural means of communication.

You can say that men don’t talk about feelings, that they talk about cars, women, sports, projects, houses, they tell jokes, they talk about abstract ideas. But these conversations are rampant with feelings; it’s just a different way of communicating.

As stupid as it sounds, letting a guy explain why he drives a Honda, wants to own an Acura, but turns his nose at Mercedes and Audi, somewhat makes an exception for Infiniti, completely scorns Volkswagen, and wouldn’t be caught dead looking at an American car… there’s a lot of insight that can be gleaned from that if you just dig into the beliefs that drive those preferences.[/quote]

I think we’re saying the same thing, LoRez, so maybe there’s miscommunication. It’s the underlying stuff, not the boning itself. Just as having an overweight woman wax on about the chocolate cake she ate last night to me in hopes of sharing the experience with me is not helpful, neither is projecting onto me and describing the boning itself. Now, power and control, sure, who/what draws or attracts, okay, but sharing graphic sex talk with me is not needed or helpful. “I masturbate all the time and can’t stop” is okay, “I lotion up and stroke slowly” is not.

That’s all I’m saying. Angry fucking is worth talking about, but it’s the anger that is the topic, not the fucking. And I wouldn’t avoid it. I don’t think there’s anything I’ll avoid. I’ve worked with juvenile sex offenders and talked about the issue (both what happened and why) without batting an eye. Nothing to do with people or sex shocks me, frankly. But I’m not playing interpersonal titillation games.

Maybe I misunderstood orion’s point.

[quote]theBeth wrote:

Boning talk is so annoying. It’s like some kind of self-validation attempt. Please analyze why guys feel they must make uncomfortable boning talk?[/quote]

Having a wee-wee is like being an automotive enthusiast. Whether your favorite vehicle is a sleek, elegant super car, a jacked up pickup with humongo mudders, or a super modified classic muscle car you just want to fire that thing up and drive it. Up here, over there where ever- Just get it out and fire it up. Get together in big groups and talk about them over a few beers, some guys get all liquored up and wrap them around telephone poles, or keep it in the garage for a cruise on a beautiful day. What you do or how you do it is all a matter of personal style and choice.

It’s not nearly as much about what the person listening hears when you talk about it, it’s about what the driver experiences when he hits the gas.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

You can say that men don’t talk about feelings, that they talk about cars, women, sports, projects, houses, they tell jokes, they talk about abstract ideas. But these conversations are rampant with feelings; it’s just a different way of communicating.

As stupid as it sounds, letting a guy explain why he drives a Honda, wants to own an Acura, but turns his nose at Mercedes and Audi, somewhat makes an exception for Infiniti, completely scorns Volkswagen, and wouldn’t be caught dead looking at an American car… there’s a lot of insight that can be gleaned from that if you just dig into the beliefs that drive those preferences.[/quote]

Also, to a large extent the people I’m working with determine what we discuss. My piece is to ensure that it be productive rather than frivolous and monitor that they’re okay in order to change tone if needed. Or to allow frivolous if they’re not up to more. I don’t really care what we talk about; all of it is interesting to me and I love learning. What’s important to the people I’m working with is what’s important to me in that hour.

It’s not about my interests or squeamishnesses. I don’t particularly care for non-babies shitting their pants, but have worked with this. I’m against poverty, but deal with it and its consequences. I’m not for getting gang banged for drugs, or touching little girls or wanting to be beat up by cops, but I’ve dealt with it all without making anyone feel worse for having told me.

I assume I will continue doing so.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
sharing graphic sex talk with me is not needed or helpful. “I masturbate all the time and can’t stop” is okay, “I lotion up and stroke slowly” is not.[/quote]

It’s this part I disagree with.

I think it’s important to use the details to acknowledge the decisions he made. Then to explore the reasoning for those decisions, and use that to explore his emotions and belief systems.

With that particular example, even those details can matter. Why “lotion”, why “slowly”? There’s more to it than just because it feels good. I went off on a tangent describing this, but basically it can reveal his attitudes toward other people in general, women in specific, even past lovers, past “crushes”. It can reveal his comfort or discomfort with his own sexuality, whether he denies or acknowledges it, and why. But even his beliefs about money, how he should spend his time, and his degree of self respect.

Starting purely from sexual exploits, you can get to all of that.

Which is why I think don’t think it’s a good idea to deny him the ability to communicate that through those details.

EDIT: so apparently I deleted my original post. Didn’t mean to do that. It was just a more graphic and example driven version of this post though.

Ugh, I wonder if I can recover it somehow.

EDIT 2: no luck. Expanding this one just a tiny bit.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Holy cow, Em, what in the blue blazes is going on in here?[/quote]

Um, we’re processing our feelings about talking about boning.

And dmaddox has expressed that he’s feeling vulnerable.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Holy cow, Em, what in the blue blazes is going on in here?[/quote]

Um, we’re processing our feelings about talking about boning.

And dmaddox has expressed that he’s feeling vulnerable.[/quote]

My original version of my last post, which I managed to accidentally edit into non-existence, was rather graphic.