Let's Process Our Feelings II

I’ve read pieces of the Elliot Rodgers manifesto over the past couple days. It’s actually really bothering me a lot. I can’t entirely put a finger on why though.

I’ve known a few “crazy” people in my life. I certainly don’t share the same views as the guy, but I’ve had enough conversations with these people to grasp the basic [horribly flawed] reasoning. There’s a few thought patterns that hit pretty close to home.

There are some feelings needing to be processed… but this is way too public a forum for that.

And yet again, I keep starting new pages. I hate it when that happens.

[quote]LoRez wrote:
And yet again, I keep starting new pages. I hate it when that happens.[/quote]

Yeah, you dont like it when you end a thread either…

Embrace your male privilige!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
And yet again, I keep starting new pages. I hate it when that happens.[/quote]

Yeah, you dont like it when you end a thread either…

Embrace your male privilige![/quote]

You have a point.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

Oh nooooooo! You’re abandoning your dark ways? :([/quote]

No!

We live in a highly dysfunctional society with lots of dysfunctional people, my dark ways are a necessity.

But maybe I will use them differently.[/quote]

Very astute on the dysfunction thing. My sponsor gave me some advice on character defects- They aren’t necessarily defects, and in fact, they can become assets when used properly. Some things legitimately should be discarded, but most people have a lot of assets that they have simply been misusing.
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I am inclined to view personality traits as value-neutral. For most people, strong characteristics are both good and bad: distractible people may be more easy-going but less reliable, intense people may be more successful but stressful to be around, and so on.

The trick is to maximize positive and minimize negative impacts.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Which is why I worry about becoming dependent. He feels so safe and good.
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Why does it worry you? Why do you see it as a bad thing?[/quote]

I have abandonment issues. Maintaining emotional independence feels safe. “Oh, we have to break up? Well, best wishes to you then.”

I woke up at 5:20 on a Saturday morning to worry that maybe I don’t even know what womanly things I should be doing and I’m all freaked out now.

Typically I would cook tasty meals as one of my womanly things, but our schedules have Hockey cooking more than me and also. . . and this sucks. . .he’s probably a better cook than I am. More daring. He can throw together an upscale restaurant-quality meal in a half hour and everything be clean around him. It takes me an hour to make a (good, tasty) meal and a fair sized mess. So that’s no good, insofar as balancing his manly contributions to the relationship.

I clean well. That’s something. So my place is cleaner than his. He doesn’t believe in dusting. ~blink~ But I don’t see having a clean place as a contribution, since his place is perfectly adequate. Kitchen and bathrooms are clean, mess is minimal and may in fact represent his decorating tastes, which run to flashlights. (They’re everywhere. And he’s given me two now, wtf and lol.) It’s pretty at my house. Unsightly things like flashlights are tucked away.

He doesn’t drink coffee, otherwise I’d bring him his in bed. As it is, probably half the time he gets mine for me. He will sometimes accept water.

I wear pretty clothes. He seems to like that. There’s the physical stuff, of course, and I’m pretty affectionate. Very affectionate, actually. I think he likes that. I make him laugh, but he does me, too, so I don’t know if I can call that a womanly thing or a contribution. We laugh a lot about the contrasts between us, most of which boil down to male/female.

So. . . my womanly things are clothes and neck kisses? Except he kisses my neck, too, so that’s not solely a womanly thing.

Maybe I DON’T come correct. : /

All right, goddamn it, I have a rare Saturday apart for the day, so when he comes over tonight I am going to BLOW HIS MIND with womanly things. !!!

There’s the knocking it out of the park stuff, then there are nice womanly touches (no not that kind) that make a big difference too. At work the other day one lady brought in some macadamia cookies. Not a big deal right?

Wrong. Everything stopped for about fifteen minutes as we bunched into the break room for a surprise cookie break. It was very nice, and something that a guy would never do.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There’s the knocking it out of the park stuff, then there are nice womanly touches (no not that kind) that make a big difference too. At work the other day one lady brought in some macadamia cookies. Not a big deal right?

Wrong. Everything stopped for about fifteen minutes as we bunched into the break room for a surprise cookie break. It was very nice, and something that a guy would never do.
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I like when they do that, too. It happens a lot at my work.

But that’s cookies at work. What are nice touches at home?

Tonight I’ll do a sexy dress of some sort, martinis outside if weather permits, and then something nice for dinner. It’s easy enough to be special, though, when he’s coming over and I have the privacy to be all prettied up with a nice drink in hand for him when he arrives. We’re together most of the weekend, though, and I usually come home to him on Fridays (at my place). So there isn’t that Deluxe Greeting thing.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There’s the knocking it out of the park stuff, then there are nice womanly touches (no not that kind) that make a big difference too. At work the other day one lady brought in some macadamia cookies. Not a big deal right?

Wrong. Everything stopped for about fifteen minutes as we bunched into the break room for a surprise cookie break. It was very nice, and something that a guy would never do.
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I like when they do that, too. It happens a lot at my work.

But that’s cookies at work. What are nice touches at home?

Tonight I’ll do a sexy dress of some sort, martinis outside if weather permits, and then something nice for dinner. It’s easy enough to be special, though, when he’s coming over and I have the privacy to be all prettied up with a nice drink in hand for him when he arrives. We’re together most of the weekend, though, and I usually come home to him on Fridays (at my place). So there isn’t that Deluxe Greeting thing.

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Thats awesome.

I’m not sure what constitutes a feminine touch at home other than the kind of attention to detail or unexpected nicety which shows that care and thought were taken to make the other person feel special.

I guess it varies based on what makes the other person feel special. For me it’s cookies, but I’m pretty easy to please.

I have decided that my womanly things are in order. Evidence I have to support this conclusion includes:

That Hockey is protective, chivalrous, and prone to lead. With the exception of my concern over the money all of those things occur smoothly and in harmony with my preferences and behavior.

I can tell I make him happy, and he seems to be seeking more of me, not less. He’s a very deliberate, patient guy, so the more I think about it the less I see him getting swept up in something that’s not exactly what he wants.

Secondarily:

The ex-husband is dating and asking my advice about women things. Recently: should a woman he’s seeing get upset that he and I talk, which suggests that I am “still pulling his strings.” (Um, I dunno? Ask an impartial person? But right off the top of my head I’d say she shouldn’t be telling you what to do on week three and there may be some hints as to her own nature here?)

I still have not been able to shake Tim loose, even though the last thing I wrote to him finished with “I don’t even want to be your friend,” which are very harsh words for me. I don’t think I’ve ever spoken them to anyone before.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Secondarily:

The ex-husband is dating and asking my advice about women things. Recently: should a woman he’s seeing get upset that he and I talk, which suggests that I am “still pulling his strings.” (Um, I dunno? Ask an impartial person? But right off the top of my head I’d say she shouldn’t be telling you what to do on week three and there may be some hints as to her own nature here?)

I still have not been able to shake Tim loose, even though the last thing I wrote to him finished with “I don’t even want to be your friend,” which are very harsh words for me. I don’t think I’ve ever spoken them to anyone before.
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I still think it’s incredibly weird that you talk to your ex husband.

Secondly, who would win in a fight, Hockey or Tim?

And thirdly, who can deadlift more?

And you didn’t mention; how is he hanging on? Have you blocked his number and his email? Is he physically confronting you?

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
But right off the top of my head I’d say she shouldn’t be telling you what to do on week three and there may be some hints as to her own nature here?
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She should not but she will, because shittest.

It is up to him to stop it.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Secondarily:

The ex-husband is dating and asking my advice about women things. Recently: should a woman he’s seeing get upset that he and I talk, which suggests that I am “still pulling his strings.” (Um, I dunno? Ask an impartial person? But right off the top of my head I’d say she shouldn’t be telling you what to do on week three and there may be some hints as to her own nature here?)

I still have not been able to shake Tim loose, even though the last thing I wrote to him finished with “I don’t even want to be your friend,” which are very harsh words for me. I don’t think I’ve ever spoken them to anyone before.
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I still think it’s incredibly weird that you talk to your ex husband.

Secondly, who would win in a fight, Hockey or Tim?

And thirdly, who can deadlift more?

And you didn’t mention; how is he hanging on? Have you blocked his number and his email? Is he physically confronting you?[/quote]

Hockey would win in a fight against Tim, hands down. Against the ex. . .not sure. Ex is a martial artist, successfully competitive in his young adulthood. He also lifts (secondary TNation exposure). Hockey hauls boulders around and takes trees down to move, cut up, load into dump truck, etc. He’s strong. Not sure who would win a DL contest; I suspect that each of them would die trying. Tim is not strong or particularly fit. But he was able to break both of his father’s legs and one arm, so I guess we can’t rule him out completely. He is apparently willing to use whatever is at hand to achieve his goals.

He lives 10 hours from me, happily, and sends emails very occasionally. This one came a couple of weeks ago and referenced our first date, which was the night before Mother’s Day. He sent a lingerie ad and noted that “this would have made a good anniversary gift.” I responded with something to the effect of “I’m not even angry. Just empty toward you. Let it go.” Before that was March 14th, he wished me a happy holiday with a link to steak and blow job day. I ignored that. Before that was probably January - I think he managed to let Valentine’s Day pass.

Why don’t I block him - at one time I was worried that he was so close to the edge, and didn’t want to cut him off in case he needed some sort of intervention. Now I just want to know where he is with regard to me. I’m reassured by the length of time between his contacts and will feel better still when it stops naturally.

And let’s face it, it’s difficult to not know what’s going on even without anything to worry about.

As for the ex, I don’t know why it’s weird. We still share family. It wasn’t a passionate relationship and it wasn’t a passionate breakup. I suspect it will reduce down to almost nothing if/when Hockey and I take the next step, whatever that is. We already talk much less. He knows things are getting serious here. I’m guessing he has feelings about that. It wouldn’t bother me one bit for him to find someone.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
But right off the top of my head I’d say she shouldn’t be telling you what to do on week three and there may be some hints as to her own nature here?
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She should not but she will, because shittest.

It is up to him to stop it.

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He did; he dumped her. She said all kinds of stuff. One of the things she asked was what would happen if she was at his house and I called and for some reason she answered the phone. Ex was like, “I guess she’d say ‘hi, is ex there?’” The woman disagreed, saying I’d “go off.” Which is laughably far from the truth and sounds like the wacky people I deal with who live on benefits in Section 8 housing and have nothing better to do than fan drama all day.

I’m glad you’ve changed your ways, orion, because that woman sounded like an absolute misery and if that’s what you were dating, oy.

Pleasant people are much more pleasant.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There’s the knocking it out of the park stuff, then there are nice womanly touches (no not that kind) that make a big difference too. At work the other day one lady brought in some macadamia cookies. Not a big deal right?

Wrong. Everything stopped for about fifteen minutes as we bunched into the break room for a surprise cookie break. It was very nice, and something that a guy would never do.
[/quote]

I like when they do that, too. It happens a lot at my work.

But that’s cookies at work. What are nice touches at home?

Tonight I’ll do a sexy dress of some sort, martinis outside if weather permits, and then something nice for dinner. It’s easy enough to be special, though, when he’s coming over and I have the privacy to be all prettied up with a nice drink in hand for him when he arrives. We’re together most of the weekend, though, and I usually come home to him on Fridays (at my place). So there isn’t that Deluxe Greeting thing.
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Probably not of much help to you, but I keep thinking that being “womanly” means being nurturing.[/quote]

I am nurturing, but he doesn’t seem to need much of that. Still, there are other things that do need it (kids, plants, pets, homes) so maybe that’s all that’s needed.

I’m not sure whether to call last night a total failure or a resounding success. I greeted him with a martini, kiss, and highly visible cleavage (unusual for me). He greeted me with a bouquet of flowers. :slight_smile:

We drank the martinis outside and snacked on olives and cheese, then went in to start dinner. We wound up in bed fooling around instead. I woke at midnight on top of the bed, all the lights on, candles still lit in the living room, to him asking “What did you put in those drinks? And what happened to my fancy dinner and dessert, what kind of trickery was that? Olives and cheese! That’s what I get? I’ve been robbed.”

We ate some ice cream cake and went back to bed.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
And what happened to my fancy dinner and dessert, what kind of trickery was that? Olives and cheese! That’s what I get? I’ve been robbed."

We ate some ice cream cake and went back to bed.

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But…

Isn’t ice cream cake dessert???

Sounds like you’ll just have to try having fancy dinner again. :slight_smile: