Let's Process Our Feelings II

Off Topic
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I’m not only talking about penis size, I’m talking about how physical sexual insecurities are built into us seemingly on an anthropological level that we address in other animals, but when it comes to addressing it in ourselves it’s taboo, or trashy.

I know that the readers know I can be sensitive, I am when it comes to certain topics but I’m far more a curious person than I am a sensitive one.

When you look at my critique of the carousel analogy as well as the other posts I’m bringing it up in a more general way that the analogy has a part to it that isn’t addressed really at all. And since Orion seems to have dismissed the other aspects of the carousel analogy I’m pointing out the part that isn’t there and hasn’t been discussed.

Again, it isn’t purely about penis size and the mechanics and importance of penises as humans on an anthropological level, but also on a psychological level and how it fits into a bigger picture that includes female mechanical insecurities as well as societal pressures and sexual selection and how it’s all linked to our behavior and insecurities.

In general it seems like there is a numb insecurity about this because most of the time we read things about penis size it’s not from an anthropological perspective, but from someone trying to sell you something because of insecurity.

For women it may be saggy breasts, small breasts, too big of breasts, large labias, all of which different women have surgeries for and I’m sure generate a fair share of insecurity.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:
I’m not only talking about penis size, I’m talking about how physical sexual insecurities are built into us seemingly on an anthropological level that we address in other animals, but when it comes to addressing it in ourselves it’s taboo, or trashy.

I know that the readers know I can be sensitive, I am when it comes to certain topics but I’m far more a curious person than I am a sensitive one.

When you look at my critique of the carousel analogy as well as the other posts I’m bringing it up in a more general way that the analogy has a part to it that isn’t addressed really at all. And since Orion seems to have dismissed the other aspects of the carousel analogy I’m pointing out the part that isn’t there and hasn’t been discussed.

Again, it isn’t purely about penis size and the mechanics and importance of penises as humans on an anthropological level, but also on a psychological level and how it fits into a bigger picture that includes female mechanical insecurities as well as societal pressures and sexual selection and how it’s all linked to our behavior and insecurities.

In general it seems like there is a numb insecurity about this because most of the time we read things about penis size it’s not from an anthropological perspective, but from someone trying to sell you something because of insecurity.

For women it may be saggy breasts, small breasts, too big of breasts, large labias, all of which different women have surgeries for and I’m sure generate a fair share of insecurity. [/quote]

It’s funny you say this in a thread that spends a great deal of time focused on orion’s views, which he believes are based in pure evolutionary psychology and which many others believe are based largely on his own insecurities.

I’m sure if you posted a thread in GAL about the evolutionary nature of penis, breast, vag insecurity you’d find people similarly interested. However, the genuine response you got in here to your belief that “the carousel” reflects that men prefer low partner count in women because they don’t want them stretched was that this is not on target. That’s not avoidance, it’s disagreement.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I’m not only talking about penis size, I’m talking about how physical sexual insecurities are built into us seemingly on an anthropological level that we address in other animals, but when it comes to addressing it in ourselves it’s taboo, or trashy.

I know that the readers know I can be sensitive, I am when it comes to certain topics but I’m far more a curious person than I am a sensitive one.

When you look at my critique of the carousel analogy as well as the other posts I’m bringing it up in a more general way that the analogy has a part to it that isn’t addressed really at all. And since Orion seems to have dismissed the other aspects of the carousel analogy I’m pointing out the part that isn’t there and hasn’t been discussed.

Again, it isn’t purely about penis size and the mechanics and importance of penises as humans on an anthropological level, but also on a psychological level and how it fits into a bigger picture that includes female mechanical insecurities as well as societal pressures and sexual selection and how it’s all linked to our behavior and insecurities.

In general it seems like there is a numb insecurity about this because most of the time we read things about penis size it’s not from an anthropological perspective, but from someone trying to sell you something because of insecurity.

For women it may be saggy breasts, small breasts, too big of breasts, large labias, all of which different women have surgeries for and I’m sure generate a fair share of insecurity. [/quote]

It’s funny you say this in a thread that spends a great deal of time focused on orion’s views, which he believes are based in pure evolutionary psychology and which many others believe are based largely on his own insecurities.

I’m sure if you posted a thread in GAL about the evolutionary nature of penis, breast, vag insecurity you’d find people similarly interested. However, the genuine response you got in here to your belief that “the carousel” reflects that men prefer low partner count in women because they don’t want them stretched was that this is not on target. That’s not avoidance, it’s disagreement.[/quote]

Like I said, it’s not just boiled down to the pure physical but how its connected to everything else. A, “stretched vag” could be the result of having a kid and there is insecurity about tightness for a lot of women after they have their fist child especially. There are more serious factors like child sexual abuse and rape as well that are similarly related except the factor isn’t so much rooted in anthropology but still physical and obviously psychological. Given how many women and children are abused I think its quite relevant in that we all most likely know a woman who was raped or abused as a child.

If it were all the same why bother with kegels for anything other than say bladder control? For every women who uses kegels for practical reasons, there are also women who use kegels for the sake of being able to reach orgasm with a partner, or maybe to be enhance her performance in bed.

Guys can be small, too long, disfigured or oddly shaped, have erectile dysfunction, have stamina issues or not be sensitive enough.

There are all sorts of gadgets, websites, entire industries based on and that drive physical insecurities which feeds off of the convention of not talking about any of this. But what do I know outside of what I’ve observed?

I’m more trying to point it out to you like some sort of human examining ape behavior sorta like in the movie. I think we miss a lot because we don’t examine ourselves as animals first.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I’m not only talking about penis size, I’m talking about how physical sexual insecurities are built into us seemingly on an anthropological level that we address in other animals, but when it comes to addressing it in ourselves it’s taboo, or trashy.

I know that the readers know I can be sensitive, I am when it comes to certain topics but I’m far more a curious person than I am a sensitive one.

When you look at my critique of the carousel analogy as well as the other posts I’m bringing it up in a more general way that the analogy has a part to it that isn’t addressed really at all. And since Orion seems to have dismissed the other aspects of the carousel analogy I’m pointing out the part that isn’t there and hasn’t been discussed.

Again, it isn’t purely about penis size and the mechanics and importance of penises as humans on an anthropological level, but also on a psychological level and how it fits into a bigger picture that includes female mechanical insecurities as well as societal pressures and sexual selection and how it’s all linked to our behavior and insecurities.

In general it seems like there is a numb insecurity about this because most of the time we read things about penis size it’s not from an anthropological perspective, but from someone trying to sell you something because of insecurity.

For women it may be saggy breasts, small breasts, too big of breasts, large labias, all of which different women have surgeries for and I’m sure generate a fair share of insecurity. [/quote]

It’s funny you say this in a thread that spends a great deal of time focused on orion’s views, which he believes are based in pure evolutionary psychology and which many others believe are based largely on his own insecurities.

I’m sure if you posted a thread in GAL about the evolutionary nature of penis, breast, vag insecurity you’d find people similarly interested. However, the genuine response you got in here to your belief that “the carousel” reflects that men prefer low partner count in women because they don’t want them stretched was that this is not on target. That’s not avoidance, it’s disagreement.[/quote]

Like I said, it’s not just boiled down to the pure physical but how its connected to everything else. A, “stretched vag” could be the result of having a kid and there is insecurity about tightness for a lot of women after they have their fist child especially. There are more serious factors like child sexual abuse and rape as well that are similarly related except the factor isn’t so much rooted in anthropology but still physical and obviously psychological. Given how many women and children are abused I think its quite relevant in that we all most likely know a woman who was raped or abused as a child.

If it were all the same why bother with kegels for anything other than say bladder control? For every women who uses kegels for practical reasons, there are also women who use kegels for the sake of being able to reach orgasm with a partner, or maybe to be enhance her performance in bed.

Guys can be small, too long, disfigured or oddly shaped, have erectile dysfunction, have stamina issues or not be sensitive enough.

There are all sorts of gadgets, websites, entire industries based on and that drive physical insecurities which feeds off of the convention of not talking about any of this. But what do I know? [/quote]

But women’s perceptions of themselves have nothing to do with the question of whether “women who’ve ridden the carousel” are assumed by men to have stretched vaginas, leading them to fear penis inadequacy and avoid becoming intimate with them.

Sure, one’s own genitalia - and others’ - are interesting. But you’ve shifted your focus. Just sayin’.

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Vagina’s don’t get “stretched out” from dicks, no matter how many she’s had and no matter how big they were. LOL!

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[quote]Severiano wrote:
I don’t know why we don’t just talk about these things plainly…

I’ll say it, Penis size, loose vagina… There… Talk about it.
[/quote]

You certainly got a lot of mileage out of this comment… if you know what I mean

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[quote]Stinkfist wrote:
Vagina’s don’t get “stretched out” from dicks, no matter how many she’s had and no matter how big they were. LOL! [/quote]

Actually it does happen from, “dicks.” It can happen during rape/gang rape when a woman isn’t ready for penetration, a lot of permanent physical damage can take place. When young girls are molested permanent damage occurs as well.

Also, it’s not too common but there are women who do things like shows with farm animals and the odd woman who enjoys huge toys.

But, anyhow. Cheers. :slight_smile:

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I don’t know why we don’t just talk about these things plainly…

I’ll say it, Penis size, loose vagina… There… Talk about it.
[/quote]

You certainly got a lot of mileage out of this comment… if you know what I mean[/quote]

Haha, I think its simply the way I presented it. Most people are uncomfortable discussing these topics because of their own insecurities. Funny thing, I figured since we are all sort of strangers here there’s no reason for those things to be true, but we aren’t really all strangers. So we can’t really discuss insecurities as anonymously as we pretend to.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Stinkfist wrote:
Vagina’s don’t get “stretched out” from dicks, no matter how many she’s had and no matter how big they were. LOL! [/quote]

Actually it does happen from, “dicks.” It can happen during rape/gang rape when a woman isn’t ready for penetration, a lot of permanent physical damage can take place. When young girls are molested permanent damage occurs as well.

Also, it’s not too common but there are women who do things like shows with farm animals and the odd woman who enjoys huge toys.

But, anyhow. Cheers. :)[/quote]

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I don’t know why we don’t just talk about these things plainly…

I’ll say it, Penis size, loose vagina… There… Talk about it.
[/quote]

You certainly got a lot of mileage out of this comment… if you know what I mean[/quote]

Haha, I think its simply the way I presented it. Most people are uncomfortable discussing these topics because of their own insecurities. Funny thing, I figured since we are all sort of strangers here there’s no reason for those things to be true, but we aren’t really all strangers. So we can’t really discuss insecurities as anonymously as we pretend to. [/quote]

But now you’ve shifted again. What is your main point? Originally it was that men don’t want multi-partner women because they fear being too small for a stretched vagina. People disagreed that normal adult sex has this effect on vaginas.

Today you’re talking about little girls who’ve been molested and women who do farm animals. WTF, lol. By the way, vaginas are damaged by rape in that they can be torn and bruised and such, it doesn’t stretch them, though.

How is any of that “uncomfortable discussing these topics”?

On another note, I think rape is EXTREMELY interesting from an anthropological perspective. Why are women stigmatized for this by men when having had a consensual partner does not? Once upon a time it would have been because women were expected to be virgins. Not so today.

Yet the stigma and fear persists.

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Orion, have you been reading the Bodybuilders Don’t Get Laid thread? Keep on the way you are and eventually the women will be sexual camels and won’t even WANT a relationship with you!

Take heed!!!

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Stinkfist wrote:
Vagina’s don’t get “stretched out” from dicks, no matter how many she’s had and no matter how big they were. LOL! [/quote]

Actually it does happen from, “dicks.” It can happen during rape/gang rape when a woman isn’t ready for penetration, a lot of permanent physical damage can take place. When young girls are molested permanent damage occurs as well.

Also, it’s not too common but there are women who do things like shows with farm animals and the odd woman who enjoys huge toys.

But, anyhow. Cheers. :)[/quote]

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I don’t know why we don’t just talk about these things plainly…

I’ll say it, Penis size, loose vagina… There… Talk about it.
[/quote]

You certainly got a lot of mileage out of this comment… if you know what I mean[/quote]

Haha, I think its simply the way I presented it. Most people are uncomfortable discussing these topics because of their own insecurities. Funny thing, I figured since we are all sort of strangers here there’s no reason for those things to be true, but we aren’t really all strangers. So we can’t really discuss insecurities as anonymously as we pretend to. [/quote]

But now you’ve shifted again. What is your main point? Originally it was that men don’t want multi-partner women because they fear being too small for a stretched vagina. People disagreed that normal adult sex has this effect on vaginas.

Today you’re talking about little girls who’ve been molested and women who do farm animals. WTF, lol. By the way, vaginas are damaged by rape in that they can be torn and bruised and such, it doesn’t stretch them, though.

How is any of that “uncomfortable discussing these topics”?

On another note, I think rape is EXTREMELY interesting from an anthropological perspective. Why are women stigmatized for this by men when having had a consensual partner does not? Once upon a time it would have been because women were expected to be virgins. Not so today.

Yet the stigma and fear persists.[/quote]

On the rape thing, I think it’s because we have a sense that the woman is, “damaged goods.”

But it’s the same with the carousel thing. Men think women who have had a lot of partners are, “damaged goods.”

Even the way I grew up, having friends that were mixed black there was this notion that when a non black woman has a black partner she’s, “damaged goods.” But, if you are non black as a dude and have a black female partner who you know has had a black partner herself, it’s just a given and she isn’t, “damaged goods.” I guess there are some that are intimidated by black women as well as those who are truly racist. Still there are weird stigmas about the woman being loose from riding the carousel. I’ve brought up all the ideas I can with this, still not really sure if anyone has understood my point.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I don’t know why we don’t just talk about these things plainly…

I’ll say it, Penis size, loose vagina… There… Talk about it.
[/quote]

You certainly got a lot of mileage out of this comment… if you know what I mean[/quote]

Haha, I think its simply the way I presented it. Most people are uncomfortable discussing these topics because of their own insecurities. Funny thing, I figured since we are all sort of strangers here there’s no reason for those things to be true, but we aren’t really all strangers. So we can’t really discuss insecurities as anonymously as we pretend to. [/quote]
Nobody is uncomfortable. We’re just not relating to your ideas.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Stinkfist wrote:
Vagina’s don’t get “stretched out” from dicks, no matter how many she’s had and no matter how big they were. LOL! [/quote]

Actually it does happen from, “dicks.” It can happen during rape/gang rape when a woman isn’t ready for penetration, a lot of permanent physical damage can take place. When young girls are molested permanent damage occurs as well.

Also, it’s not too common but there are women who do things like shows with farm animals and the odd woman who enjoys huge toys.

But, anyhow. Cheers. :)[/quote]

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I don’t know why we don’t just talk about these things plainly…

I’ll say it, Penis size, loose vagina… There… Talk about it.
[/quote]

You certainly got a lot of mileage out of this comment… if you know what I mean[/quote]

Haha, I think its simply the way I presented it. Most people are uncomfortable discussing these topics because of their own insecurities. Funny thing, I figured since we are all sort of strangers here there’s no reason for those things to be true, but we aren’t really all strangers. So we can’t really discuss insecurities as anonymously as we pretend to. [/quote]

But now you’ve shifted again. What is your main point? Originally it was that men don’t want multi-partner women because they fear being too small for a stretched vagina. People disagreed that normal adult sex has this effect on vaginas.

Today you’re talking about little girls who’ve been molested and women who do farm animals. WTF, lol. By the way, vaginas are damaged by rape in that they can be torn and bruised and such, it doesn’t stretch them, though.

How is any of that “uncomfortable discussing these topics”?

On another note, I think rape is EXTREMELY interesting from an anthropological perspective. Why are women stigmatized for this by men when having had a consensual partner does not? Once upon a time it would have been because women were expected to be virgins. Not so today.

Yet the stigma and fear persists.[/quote]

On the rape thing, I think it’s because we have a sense that the woman is, “damaged goods.”

But it’s the same with the carousel thing. Men think women who have had a lot of partners are, “damaged goods.”

Even the way I grew up, having friends that were mixed black there was this notion that when a non black woman has a black partner she’s, “damaged goods.” But, if you are non black as a dude and have a black female partner who you know has had a black partner herself, it’s just a given and she isn’t, “damaged goods.” I guess there are some that are intimidated by black women as well as those who are truly racist. Still there are weird stigmas about the woman being loose from riding the carousel. I’ve brought up all the ideas I can with this, still not really sure if anyone has understood my point. [/quote]

Many women who have been molested or raped have some deep seated psychological trauma from the experience (and understandably so!). This often leads to various forms of affected behavior from addiction, bad relationship decisions, trust issues, sexual issues, etc… Although as I’ve said before, a vag can heal - that’s not the “damage” most people refer to, it’s the psychological damage and lack of dealing with the trauma that might deter someone from getting involved with a woman who has been abused. That’s not a moral judgement right or wrong, but it’s a fact that some men just don’t want to deal with it.

Personally, I’ve dealt with it with a few women I’ve had relationships with and have been as empathetic and compassionate as I could be. And some of the women had dealt with it and put it behind them and seemed to be at peace with their past and it didn’t really affect their observable behavior (to me at least), while other women had some serious issues surrounding their abuse that, frankly, got old really fast.

I’ve addressed the whole size issue before and it applies with women who have dated black men - I don’t really give a shit! I know what I’ve got, I know how to use it and I’ve never had any complaints. And I LOVE dating black women (and Spanish women, Asian women, etc…) I find beauty in all colors, shapes and sizes - variety is the spice of life! I certainly don’t worry about their vajayjay! LMAO

But on the flip side, I fully recognize that attraction isn’t a choice, so if someone isn’t attracted to other races, I certainly don’t hold it against them. But I sure as hell don’t limit myself to one narrow set of criteria. As long as they are pretty, not fat and have a good personality, I’m game. When I was bartending a few years ago, I ended up dating a VERY tall and proportionately stacked “Amazon” black chick that was built like a brick shit house. She was noticeably bigger than I was. We had great chemistry in the sack. In fact, I had to cut her loose because she got too attached. But it was funny when we went out and seeing the looks and hearing the not too subtle comments by people because of the stereotypes I was “breaking”.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

On another note, I think rape is EXTREMELY interesting from an anthropological perspective. Why are women stigmatized for this by men when having had a consensual partner does not? Once upon a time it would have been because women were expected to be virgins. Not so today.

Yet the stigma and fear persists.[/quote]

Are women stigmatized for having been raped? I’ve heard of horror stories about cruel cops, and nurses, and doctors, and DA’s but I don’t know. It wouldn’t dawn on me to stigmatize a rape victim.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Stinkfist wrote:
Vagina’s don’t get “stretched out” from dicks, no matter how many she’s had and no matter how big they were. LOL! [/quote]

Actually it does happen from, “dicks.” It can happen during rape/gang rape when a woman isn’t ready for penetration, a lot of permanent physical damage can take place. When young girls are molested permanent damage occurs as well.

Also, it’s not too common but there are women who do things like shows with farm animals and the odd woman who enjoys huge toys.

But, anyhow. Cheers. :)[/quote]

Actually, NO, it does not happen. This is a fact.

The only thing that “can” cause the vagina to change size permanently, is having children. And, that still doesn’t always apply to all women.

Your bro-science sex ed teacher has failed you miserably, bud.

Emily and AC are obviously spot on with their posts.

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[quote]Stinkfist wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Stinkfist wrote:
Vagina’s don’t get “stretched out” from dicks, no matter how many she’s had and no matter how big they were. LOL! [/quote]

Actually it does happen from, “dicks.” It can happen during rape/gang rape when a woman isn’t ready for penetration, a lot of permanent physical damage can take place. When young girls are molested permanent damage occurs as well.

Also, it’s not too common but there are women who do things like shows with farm animals and the odd woman who enjoys huge toys.

But, anyhow. Cheers. :)[/quote]

Actually, NO, it does not happen. This is a fact.

The only thing that “can” cause the vagina to change size permanently, is having children. And, that still doesn’t always apply to all women.

Your bro-science sex ed teacher has failed you miserably, bud.

Emily and AC are obviously spot on with their posts.[/quote]

Actually damage does occur from rape and child molestation to varying degrees. It’s common for the labia and fourchette to be torn, most tears happen from stretching, tears lead to scars, and scars are permanent for the most part. When it comes to small children it’s far worse and can be more mutilating. I get that we are going to most likely be entrenched in our opinions, I for one don’t believe that the only thing that can change a vag is child birth. But I guess we will all have opinions vs. knowledge.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Phone sex? That is so early '90’s. Is that some kind of scam?
[/quote]

Yup, quite a lucrative one too apparently.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

Have I not been laughed at throughout this thread? Orion, my god, how does he stand the amount of shit he gets in here? Being laughed at a bit is not the end of the world.
[/quote]

Well, I would like to say that it is sheer unadulterated awesomness, but in reality, I am just very well hung.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Orion, have you been reading the Bodybuilders Don’t Get Laid thread? Keep on the way you are and eventually the women will be sexual camels and won’t even WANT a relationship with you!

Take heed!!![/quote]

Actually, that is not that far off.

I seem to be a guilty pleasure.

Dirty sex, no responsibilities, I feels so used…

Hold me…