[quote]Heliotrope wrote:
derek wrote:
www.marunde-muscle.com/videos.html
Video’s 21 & 28
Top strong man competitors are amazing to watch. I was hoping that Marunde would win the worlds strongest man one day.
It’s too bad that a workout like that actually killed the guy.[/quote]
that workout was done after some insanely hard workout also, so it was kind of like a finisher to just burn him out makes it more impressive.
[quote]FortDodge wrote:
Rad
What is/was your degree of muscular development shortly after doing 405x23? I ask becuz that is a very impressive level of strength which few, very few attain.
I assume Sergio did his high back and relatively close stance w/ NO belt, NO wraps and I’m sure NO suit. Did you?
It didn’t help having probably the best trainer there ever was and will be…Arthur Jones.[/quote]
Fort:
The pics in my profile are about 10 months ago. Just add 7lbs of fat/water and that’s where I was at when I did the 405x23. I did NOT use any support gear other than my 4" training belt. I only wore the belt due to many disc injuries. It would have been MUCH easier to breather without the belt on.
I’m pretty anti-support gear for an ex-PL’er. I only wore the stuff as I’d be at a huge disadvantage in comps without them. If you’re not competing, that stuff just builds egos, not strength.
Really, IMHO 405x23 is very attainable for a lot of guys. Just like a one-rep max, you have to train specifically for it. I worked into sets of 10, 20, and 30 in preparation for that attempt. If I would have eaten everything that wasn’t nailed down, I probably would have been much bigger as a result as well.
Rad I disagree w/ you on your estimation that 405 x 20 is “very attainable”. The only way I see most trainees reaching that level is for them to execute they’re reps as singles done w/ significant rest between each rep.
I think as Mark Berry said and AJ coached ONE pause only during the 20 rep set. ^ That makes one huge difference in whether the set was done w/ maximum intensity or not. I could probably do 405 x 20 if I was allowed or rather could take 10 minutes to do it.
Dr Ken Leistner full-squatted 405 for 23 reps… all while weighing no more than 160 lbs!
[quote]matso1236 wrote:
This was answered Matt Kroc:
Currently my best high rep sets in the narrow stance ass on heels style are:
545x10,440x17,405x20 and of course the 40 rep drop set which was comprised of 500x8,405x8,315x8,225x8 and 135x8
I have been hitting the 405x20 pretty easily at the end of a training session and I was talking to one of my training partners about trying for 405x25 soon which I am pretty certain I have in me. Maybe I’ll try that soon and tape it or do it the next time I go down to elite.
He is a elite level powerlifter and he has a squat of 926lb at 220lb. Therefore most people wont ever reach that level of strength.[/quote]
nuff’ said-
Hmmm, I haven’t considered myself an average lifter for years, but this thread makes me feel a little weak. If 405 x 20 is very attainable, it makes me wonder what the hell have I been doing wrong? Are we talking about raw, no anabolic assistance?
For me, a 405 squat is a 2x body-weight squat and the idea of doing that for 20+ reps is a little mind-blowing.
You’d be suprised how many obese losers live in some kind of deranged fantasy world where they see they’re girth as how powerful they are and actually go around saying “Imagine how much I could lift”.
Its hilarious to see these screwups once they’re under the bar…coming up w/ million BS excuses why they can’t even match someone 1/2 they’re “weight”.
[quote]FortDodge wrote:
You’d be suprised how many obese losers live in some kind of deranged fantasy world where they see they’re girth as how powerful they are and actually go around saying “Imagine how much I could lift”.
Its hilarious to see these screwups once they’re under the bar…coming up w/ million BS excuses why they can’t even match someone 1/2 they’re “weight”. [/quote]
Makes me wonder how 300lb+ Bolton feels when 180lb Kutcher DL’s 800?
[quote]FortDodge wrote:
Makes me wonder how 300lb+ Bolton feels when 180lb Kutcher DL’s 800?
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I doubt he cares because most people who reach that level in any sport arent concerned with comparing penis size.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Dr Ken Leistner full-squatted 405 for 23 reps… all while weighing no more than 160 lbs!
http://www.gridironincny.com/videos/flash/ken/ken.html[/quote]
those plates look fake, only reason I say that is because there are videos of women repping 495 lbs on incline with plates that look just like that.
OR turn this thread upside down - who can double w/…say 3x they’re bodywgt? I’m 210lbs +/- and I’ll freely admit I can’t do a double w/ 620lbs. Hell 500lbs rings me bell for a single.
The whole point I wanted to make is there is sooo many losers who say “Imagine how much I can lift” and when it comes down to it they don’t do…well squat.
I’ll never understand who are more screwed up the obese losers lie or the dumb chicks who actually beleive them. Why not just admit…“This guy is stronger than me”. Reality hurts sometimes. Especially those who live in a fantasy world.
[quote]FortDodge wrote:
Rad I disagree w/ you on your estimation that 405 x 20 is “very attainable”. The only way I see most trainees reaching that level is for them to execute they’re reps as singles done w/ significant rest between each rep.
I think as Mark Berry said and AJ coached ONE pause only during the 20 rep set. ^ That makes one huge difference in whether the set was done w/ maximum intensity or not. I could probably do 405 x 20 if I was allowed or rather could take 10 minutes to do it. [/quote]
Where are you getting your information on Jones’ “one pause only” during a set of 20 rep squats?
When you’re shouldering 405 pounds for 5-7 straight minutes, believe me, it does not feel like “rest” in between reps. It feels like you are going to die. There is nothing easy about 20 reps with 405 pounds, whether it’s done breathing style or not.
If you can “probably” do 405x20 without racking the bar in 10 minutes, go ahead and post it. Ten minutes is a LONG time to deal with 400 pounds on your shoulders, crushing you slowly.
Well for starters 20 rep squats are fvcking bad ass as hell! I did the 20 rep squat workout and my legs grew a lot. I got up to doing 295x20 to below parallel with good reps, but 405 is definitely a shitload whether you squat it once or 20x.
Is anyone else consistently amazed at the fact that no one believes other people can actually move a decent amount of weight in the gym? 405 for 20 is doable for anyone with a squat in the mid 500s, in my opinion.
Even if someone did post a vid of 405 for 20, half of you fags would complain about their depth, while the other half would accuse them of everything from fake plates to time lapse photography.
[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
Is anyone else consistently amazed at the fact that no one believes other people can actually move a decent amount of weight in the gym? 405 for 20 is doable for anyone with a squat in the mid 500s, in my opinion.
Even if someone did post a vid of 405 for 20, half of you fags would complain about their depth, while the other half would accuse them of everything from fake plates to time lapse photography.[/quote]
there is big difference from training to lift for 1 rep max, to 20 rep max. Also most can’t lift mid 500’s thats nearly 600lbs which is about 3 x bodyweight for an average 200lb guy.
[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
Is anyone else consistently amazed at the fact that no one believes other people can actually move a decent amount of weight in the gym? 405 for 20 is doable for anyone with a squat in the mid 500s, in my opinion.
Even if someone did post a vid of 405 for 20, half of you fags would complain about their depth, while the other half would accuse them of everything from fake plates to time lapse photography.[/quote]
No… there are also people who’d scream steroids.
I would bet Mega Newb could do it. He squats in the 700’s I believe. Of course, he is a genetic freak, lol.
Edit: Oh shit, I just saw he was the second replier to this post. D’oh.
[quote]shizen wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Dr Ken Leistner full-squatted 405 for 23 reps… all while weighing no more than 160 lbs!
http://www.gridironincny.com/videos/flash/ken/ken.html
those plates look fake, only reason I say that is because there are videos of women repping 495 lbs on incline with plates that look just like that. [/quote]
You apparently have no idea who Dr Ken is (I’ll bet almost nobody here does)! Do a Google search and read about this little Hercules. I assure you they’re not fake weights.
405x20 IMO would be possible certainly, I believe I saw a video of somebody do 495x20 with good form. However to do that I think you would need a 600 lb raw squat which is exceptionally rare especially if it is done with good depth. Not impossible certainly, but very rare.
My best is 345x20 and when I did that I could raw squat 515-525 or so and I am decent at reps. My training partner did 385x20 and he did a raw squat of 565, so you need a 6 plate + raw squat to do that.
Assuming Dr. Ken’s weights were real, he actually did 415 since the collars are 5 lbs each on that one.
I do not believe anybody could do 600x30 however. To me that is basically a 900 lb raw squat coupled with excellent endurance so that is either impossible or at the very limits of what we can do, IMO. Captain K did a tough set of like 600x8 or so raw, I forget the actual reps, on his video on his way of doing 1000x2 in full gear. He might have had 15 or maybe even 20 but not 30 reps like that.
love it how he’s just doing them in a baggy T and track suit trousers