Leg Extension Worthless

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

Hey, I can’t stress enough that I’m not knocking X for his age. I am actually trying to make a completely different argument. If anything, I’m trying to get him to not judge younger guys so quickly. He just said that younger guys should listen to those who have been where they are now. But, I am trying to make a counter-argument to X that maybe he is judging some posters for not being as “developed” as he is, when they haven’t even had the time to get there. He acts like their lack of size is because they “must be doing it wrong” like he so often says, when in reality it’s probably just because bodybuilding is a slow process and they haven’t had the time to get to his size. Now, that doesn’t mean they need him jumping in all the time and acting like the authority on all things bodybuilding. Who knows? Maybe they would end up just fine without him shouting his beliefs at them constantly and leaving them to find things out on their own. Because, when it’s all said and done, it’s what works best for you.
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I agree that maybe PX’s presentation may be a bit harsh. After all, no one will follow you if you beat them down. And in all, the goal should be to help those less knowledgeable. When giving advice, we need to understand that it is less about us and more about the person posing the question.

Now back to the OP’s question; Squat, you will thank me in 3 months.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

Hey, I can’t stress enough that I’m not knocking X for his age. I am actually trying to make a completely different argument. If anything, I’m trying to get him to not judge younger guys so quickly. He just said that younger guys should listen to those who have been where they are now. But, I am trying to make a counter-argument to X that maybe he is judging some posters for not being as “developed” as he is, when they haven’t even had the time to get there. He acts like their lack of size is because they “must be doing it wrong” like he so often says, when in reality it’s probably just because bodybuilding is a slow process and they haven’t had the time to get to his size. Now, that doesn’t mean they need him jumping in all the time and acting like the authority on all things bodybuilding. Who knows? Maybe they would end up just fine without him shouting his beliefs at them constantly and leaving them to find things out on their own. Because, when it’s all said and done, it’s what works best for you.
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I agree that maybe PX’s presentation may be a bit harsh. After all, no one will follow you if you beat them down. And in all, the goal should be to help those less knowledgeable. When giving advice, we need to understand that it is less about us and more about the person posing the question.

Now back to the OP’s question; Squat, you will thank me in 3 months.
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great topic man ,
ty.

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
the funny thing about this thread, is that prof x’s legs dont really stand out to me as particularly impressive.[/quote]

x2

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
the funny thing about this thread, is that prof x’s legs dont really stand out to me as particularly impressive.[/quote]

x2 [/quote]

x3

Yet with the knee problems I have had, I personally think I did alright in spite of it.

Still got them to 30"…whether they “impress” anyone or not.

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[quote]light_night wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

You have a point; if you want a fair comparison ask what PX had for legs when he was half his age? Ask him what weight he was using then. My money is on the dude was squatting then with some serious weight for his age. He got to where he is at through years of training right. If you want to know how to get somewhere, ask the man that has been there, he knows the way.

Ow and as for the age thing, I’m 47 and according to most, the only squatting I should be doing at my age is in the bathroom. So age does have its downside. What comes with age is knowledge.
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Hey, I can’t stress enough that I’m not knocking X for his age. I am actually trying to make a completely different argument. If anything, I’m trying to get him to not judge younger guys so quickly. He just said that younger guys should listen to those who have been where they are now. But, I am trying to make a counter-argument to X that maybe he is judging some posters for not being as “developed” as he is, when they haven’t even had the time to get there. He acts like their lack of size is because they “must be doing it wrong” like he so often says, when in reality it’s probably just because bodybuilding is a slow process and they haven’t had the time to get to his size. Now, that doesn’t mean they need him jumping in all the time and acting like the authority on all things bodybuilding. Who knows? Maybe they would end up just fine without him shouting his beliefs at them constantly and leaving them to find things out on their own. Because, when it’s all said and done, it’s what works best for you.
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All you do on this site is whine about my posts.

Lol at being pissed because of telling someone not to avoid exercises like this for no reason when everyone else is saying the same thing.

get a new hobby. [/quote]
U are the most troll man i have ever known , i asked if it is possible to get good legs witout legs extension and u said no becuase i will need all these shit legs extension curl and there is no way i will get good result from squat ,deadlift,SLD,lunge etc…
so u just got prove from two ppl (with pictures) that u are wrong so please stop talking bull**** and saying things u just know nothing about .
almost i would go and buying these leg extension/ machine becuase u talking like knowledge but the fact u know nothing ,
i amnt avoid from nothing just dont have acces to these machine so why u confuse me and tell me that i have to .
the real man who is trolling here is u .
good luck with your “huge” legs from leg extension

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I’d say you just gave yourself away as a definite troll. I suspected before but it’s now confirmed in my mind, you are just trying to stir things up.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Koing wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
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Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

I’ve done less than 150 leg presses over the past 14.5yrs of competitive OLIfting.

25inch legs 84kg 5’10. MOST OLifters I’ve met do not have amazing legs. Most have thick legs but don’t have a good quad sweep. Most do not squat deeper than I do and I"ve trained longer than most of them by 2-5x the number of training years. Some Elite olifters do have FREAKISH legs though.

It’s about finding what works for you. Try machines/ whatever squat you want and see if you get results. If not move on, try something different. For me I have never done machines to build the legs that I have built. I’ve just OLIfted and done lots of squats. Never to really get them big but to build strength and to increase my OLifts.

If a person doesn’t squat with a really good ROM their development won’t be the same as someone that does imo.

Koing[/quote]

Nice thighs and at a low BW I must add! Case in point; squatting = big legs. Ok, who’s next?
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His quads are very impressive, but its hardly conclusive proof that all anyone needs to do is squat for impressive quad development. Squatting/oly lifting worked for Koing but it didn’t work for me (on its own).

Squats are still usually the main focus for me in a leg session but until I added other isolation movements ie. leg extensions, hypertrophy was minimal. And I’m not the only one.

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[quote]lemony2j wrote:

His quads are very impressive, but its hardly conclusive proof that all anyone needs to do is squat for impressive quad development. Squatting/oly lifting worked for Koing but it didn’t work for me (on its own).

Squats are still usually the main focus for me in a leg session but until I added other isolation movements ie. leg extensions, hypertrophy was minimal. And I’m not the only one.[/quote]

Let me ask, you are a tall 240 lbs guy. Depending on how you squat, you must have a fair amount of leverage. What weights are you talking about in a full squat? If you have 3 years of lifting under your belt, you should have seen some good size. Your upper body looks great so you have to know something about what you are doing.

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While this thread is stupid, it made me try leg extensions today in the gym. I alternated high bar squats with leg extensions for 8 minutes or so without a break between them. Was some good fun stuff. Good pump, brah!

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Im wondering what kind of squat depth is being used by the people saying squats didnt help them. I think depth and consistancy have a lot to do with it.

I also think leg extensions are the leg day equivilent of masturbation. It may be fun and enjoyable and a little bit here and there might be good long term, but if you do it too much, or make it the bulk of your ‘body of work’ so to speak, dont be suprised if you cant get a good stiff one ready when it is time to perform where it counts.

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Lol @ this thread! Seriously, how in the holy hell is this thread still moving?
I still use leg extensions-- high reps, heavy weights, low weights, peak holds;
The works.
However, those extensions although important, wouldn’t Do jack shit with heavy-ass volume.
I don’t see myself eliminating a exercise unless, its completely dangerous or, useless in my pursuit for bigger thicker muscles.
Squat only, id probably stall out rather quickly on gains due to lack of variety. Not to mention, being 6’4 squatting in the hole would be disastrous! Lol

I love a good incline hack squat machine (up to 7 plates) 10-15 after Warmup leg extensions ( no lock outs) squat or smith-machine squats.
Like most guys say, if one could get massive quads with good shape with squats alone, then by all means continue to dp so.
For me however, I need more than squats alone.[/quote]

Its still moving because ppl like you keep posting and can’t help it :wink:

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
Im wondering what kind of squat depth is being used by the people saying squats didnt help them. I think depth and consistancy have a lot to do with it.

I also think leg extensions are the leg day equivilent of masturbation. It may be fun and enjoyable and a little bit here and there might be good long term, but if you do it too much, or make it the bulk of your ‘body of work’ so to speak, dont be suprised if you cant get a good stiff one ready when it is time to perform where it counts.

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For me I have to squat above parallel like ct said long legs is posterior dominant. And my legs are stupid long. So above parallel and after leg curls and leg ext and some days also after leg press. Has helped make squats a quad dominant exercise.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:

His quads are very impressive, but its hardly conclusive proof that all anyone needs to do is squat for impressive quad development. Squatting/oly lifting worked for Koing but it didn’t work for me (on its own).

Squats are still usually the main focus for me in a leg session but until I added other isolation movements ie. leg extensions, hypertrophy was minimal. And I’m not the only one.[/quote]

Let me ask, you are a tall 240 lbs guy. Depending on how you squat, you must have a fair amount of leverage. What weights are you talking about in a full squat? If you have 3 years of lifting under your belt, you should have seen some good size. Your upper body looks great so you have to know something about what you are doing. [/quote]

I have always squatted atg, even in spite of my long limbs its what I’ve always found most comfortable. However I had a butt-wink revelation earlier this year so I’m consciously stopping just short of atg now in an attempt to correct form.

When I used a squats only style for a period I worked my way up to 405x3 (I’m aware this is unimpressive, especially with some of the posters around here!)

My legs are not a strong point in terms of development and it feels like I’ve fought tooth and nail for every ounce of mass I have on them. The above training style did nothing for me in the way of hypertrophy BUT it could be argued that it built a decent base of strength for me to work on.

I gave up squats for a while (too long probably) but I’m now back to performing them in probably 7/8 leg sessions.

Sample leg day 16/8/13 -
pre fatigue ham curls and LEG EXTS lol
Squats - work up to 120kg (275lbs?) x 20,120 x 10 (x2). Dropset - 120x6, 90x12, 60x15
Leg press - 160ish kg x 50 (15, 15sec rest, 15, 15 sec rest, 20)
Finish off with some leg ext and ham curls full rom stuff + partial stuff

Thanks for the compliments but there’s a reason it’s an upper body shot in the avi. However I feel I’ve found what works for me lately with this style of training and my quads are finally growing like they should.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
I also think leg extensions are the leg day equivilent of masturbation. It may be fun and enjoyable and a little bit here and there might be good long term, but if you do it too much, or make it the bulk of your ‘body of work’ so to speak, dont be suprised if you cant get a good stiff one ready when it is time to perform where it counts.

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Words of wisdom! I like it

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
Im wondering what kind of squat depth is being used by the people saying squats didnt help them. I think depth and consistancy have a lot to do with it.

I also think leg extensions are the leg day equivilent of masturbation. It may be fun and enjoyable and a little bit here and there might be good long term, but if you do it too much, or make it the bulk of your ‘body of work’ so to speak, dont be suprised if you cant get a good stiff one ready when it is time to perform where it counts.

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I think depth is very important for absolute size for most people. It’s like benching to 3inches off your chest, you can only develop so much doing this IMO for most people. Sure you get the odd freak that will get huge either way, but most will meed full ROM.

Like anything. If you can’t get add size with your diet in check CHANGE your training. Add leg extensions, use less weight, squat deeper, get more flexible. Change the order of your exercises etc.

Koing

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Gotta say I disagree with the broad statment full rom is needed. Biomechanics are different for everyone. So full rom might be activating primarily different muscles on different ppl.

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[quote]Koing wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Im wondering what kind of squat depth is being used by the people saying squats didnt help them. I think depth and consistancy have a lot to do with it.

I also think leg extensions are the leg day equivilent of masturbation. It may be fun and enjoyable and a little bit here and there might be good long term, but if you do it too much, or make it the bulk of your ‘body of work’ so to speak, dont be suprised if you cant get a good stiff one ready when it is time to perform where it counts.

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I think depth is very important for absolute size for most people. It’s like benching to 3inches off your chest, you can only develop so much doing this IMO for most people. Sure you get the odd freak that will get huge either way, but most will meed full ROM.

Like anything. If you can’t get add size with your diet in check CHANGE your training. Add leg extensions, use less weight, squat deeper, get more flexible. Change the order of your exercises etc.

Koing[/quote]

Considering some of those saying squats did nothing for their leg development don’t even have the mobility to do a lunge, I’m guessing their squat form and depth was very suspect

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

Considering some of those saying squats did nothing for their leg development don’t even have the mobility to do a lunge, I’m guessing their squat form and depth was very suspect[/quote]

Who here has written that squats did nothing for their leg development?

Did ANYONE write that?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
Im wondering what kind of squat depth is being used by the people saying squats didnt help them. I think depth and consistancy have a lot to do with it.

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More than just depth that matters IMO. If I go to parallel or below but I have feet pointed outward and moderate to wide stance, my quad sweep doesn’t get that much work. If I do a narrower stance and have toes directly pointed forward, even if I don’t focus on going all the way down to parallel, more of my quads get worked. I usually do these with lighter weight and higher reps (otherwise I get lower back issues). Just saying what works for me and what may work for other taller lifters as well.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Gotta say I disagree with the broad statment full rom is needed. Biomechanics are different for everyone. So full rom might be activating primarily different muscles on different ppl. [/quote]

I don’t use full ROM on bench or squats. Certainly nowhere near ATG on squats and I stop about 1.5 inches from my chest on bench usually as it keeps my biceps tendons from bothering me.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Gotta say I disagree with the broad statment full rom is needed. Biomechanics are different for everyone. So full rom might be activating primarily different muscles on different ppl. [/quote]

I don’t use full ROM on bench or squats. Certainly nowhere near ATG on squats and I stop about 1.5 inches from my chest on bench usually as it keeps my biceps tendons from bothering me.[/quote]

You are doing it wrong. No wonder you are tiny.