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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

I’ve done less than 150 leg presses over the past 14.5yrs of competitive OLIfting.

25inch legs 84kg 5’10. MOST OLifters I’ve met do not have amazing legs. Most have thick legs but don’t have a good quad sweep. Most do not squat deeper than I do and I"ve trained longer than most of them by 2-5x the number of training years. Some Elite olifters do have FREAKISH legs though.

It’s about finding what works for you. Try machines/ whatever squat you want and see if you get results. If not move on, try something different. For me I have never done machines to build the legs that I have built. I’ve just OLIfted and done lots of squats. Never to really get them big but to build strength and to increase my OLifts.

If a person doesn’t squat with a really good ROM their development won’t be the same as someone that does imo.

Koing

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.

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[quote]Koing wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

Great post. This is someone we should be listening to. Sick legs. Much more impressive when lean and you can see the separation.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

I’ve done less than 150 leg presses over the past 14.5yrs of competitive OLIfting.

25inch legs 84kg 5’10. MOST OLifters I’ve met do not have amazing legs. Most have thick legs but don’t have a good quad sweep. Most do not squat deeper than I do and I"ve trained longer than most of them by 2-5x the number of training years. Some Elite olifters do have FREAKISH legs though.

It’s about finding what works for you. Try machines/ whatever squat you want and see if you get results. If not move on, try something different. For me I have never done machines to build the legs that I have built. I’ve just OLIfted and done lots of squats. Never to really get them big but to build strength and to increase my OLifts.

If a person doesn’t squat with a really good ROM their development won’t be the same as someone that does imo.

Koing[/quote]

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

No one on this forum whines about my every post like you do. If only violins could back you up.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

No one on this forum whines about my every post like you do. If only violins could back you up.[/quote]

Well, I would disagree with that. I think plenty of posters of the years have complained about you quite a bit. Regardless, what do you think about the point I made? Do you really think it’s fair to talk down to people for not being as big as you, when you’ve had much more time to get there? Doesn’t that seem ridiculous to you?

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[quote]Koing wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

I’ve done less than 150 leg presses over the past 14.5yrs of competitive OLIfting.

25inch legs 84kg 5’10. MOST OLifters I’ve met do not have amazing legs. Most have thick legs but don’t have a good quad sweep. Most do not squat deeper than I do and I"ve trained longer than most of them by 2-5x the number of training years. Some Elite olifters do have FREAKISH legs though.

It’s about finding what works for you. Try machines/ whatever squat you want and see if you get results. If not move on, try something different. For me I have never done machines to build the legs that I have built. I’ve just OLIfted and done lots of squats. Never to really get them big but to build strength and to increase my OLifts.

If a person doesn’t squat with a really good ROM their development won’t be the same as someone that does imo.

Koing[/quote]
Nice quads mate seriously impressive!

Where in England are you?

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

No one on this forum whines about my every post like you do. If only violins could back you up.[/quote]

Well, I would disagree with that. I think plenty of posters of the years have complained about you quite a bit. Regardless, what do you think about the point I made? Do you really think it’s fair to talk down to people for not being as big as you, when you’ve had much more time to get there? Doesn’t that seem ridiculous to you?[/quote]

Mtag hasn’t provided any evidence of his own progress, but is giving advice based on ‘what worked for him’. That’s why pictures would be relevant. It has nothing to do with his size versus X, it’s based on his own claims. If he’s impressive, then I want to learn from him. Maybe do what he does. If he’s not, I’m going to disregard the advice.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

No one on this forum whines about my every post like you do. If only violins could back you up.[/quote]

Well, I would disagree with that. I think plenty of posters of the years have complained about you quite a bit. Regardless, what do you think about the point I made? Do you really think it’s fair to talk down to people for not being as big as you, when you’ve had much more time to get there? Doesn’t that seem ridiculous to you?[/quote]

Mtag hasn’t provided any evidence of his own progress, but is giving advice based on ‘what worked for him’. That’s why pictures would be relevant. It has nothing to do with his size versus X, it’s based on his own claims. If he’s impressive, then I want to learn from him. Maybe do what he does. If he’s not, I’m going to disregard the advice.
[/quote]

Fair point. I wasn’t really defending Mtag, though. I was just pointing X’s flawed logic. He frequently talks about how there aren’t many here who are as big as him. I just pointed out that many of the guys he gives shit to are still pretty young and have years to grow still.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

No one on this forum whines about my every post like you do. If only violins could back you up.[/quote]

Well, I would disagree with that. I think plenty of posters of the years have complained about you quite a bit. Regardless, what do you think about the point I made? Do you really think it’s fair to talk down to people for not being as big as you, when you’ve had much more time to get there? Doesn’t that seem ridiculous to you?[/quote]

Mtag hasn’t provided any evidence of his own progress, but is giving advice based on ‘what worked for him’. That’s why pictures would be relevant. It has nothing to do with his size versus X, it’s based on his own claims. If he’s impressive, then I want to learn from him. Maybe do what he does. If he’s not, I’m going to disregard the advice.
[/quote]

Fair point. I wasn’t really defending Mtag, though. I was just pointing X’s flawed logic. He frequently talks about how there aren’t many here who are as big as him. I just pointed out that many of the guys he gives shit to are still pretty young and have years to grow still.
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Then maybe they should listen to people who have been where they are now.

What point are you trying to make? That those with more experience should post less?

This is all you do on this forum, try to pint out “my flawed logic”…when it isn’t flawed.

Why the fuck are people with no pictures posted or who haven’t built any size responding about what builds the biggest muscles?

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[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Nice quads mate seriously impressive!

Where in England are you?[/quote]

Cheers. My oly coach taught me well :slight_smile:

Surrey.

Koing

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I rarely did leg extensions even when I competed as a bodybuilder and never do them now. But I have short legs which means that the quads grow very well from squatting by itself. Short legs leads to quads-dominant squatting, longer legs to posterior chain-dominant squatting.

So depending on your levers you might or might not need leg extensions to get maximum growth and still depending on your levers you might or might not grow huge legs from squats alone.

For example an IFBB pro I train made huge strides in leg development by doing only safety-bar squats, Dead-Squat (similar to a trap bar) and split squats. The guys probably has the shortest legs relative to his torso ever, so he doesn’t need any leg extensions and is better served by investing more training money in better overall exercises.

I will say that a very smart bodybuilding expert from france (who trained Francis Benfatto) who has the distinction of having been a national champion in bodybuilding, powerlifting and olympic lifting, puts the leg extension at the top of the list for assistance work for the quads (in front of the leg press). While I do not necessarily agree, it is still worth adding into the equation.

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[quote]Koing wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

I’ve done less than 150 leg presses over the past 14.5yrs of competitive OLIfting.

25inch legs 84kg 5’10. MOST OLifters I’ve met do not have amazing legs. Most have thick legs but don’t have a good quad sweep. Most do not squat deeper than I do and I"ve trained longer than most of them by 2-5x the number of training years. Some Elite olifters do have FREAKISH legs though.

It’s about finding what works for you. Try machines/ whatever squat you want and see if you get results. If not move on, try something different. For me I have never done machines to build the legs that I have built. I’ve just OLIfted and done lots of squats. Never to really get them big but to build strength and to increase my OLifts.

If a person doesn’t squat with a really good ROM their development won’t be the same as someone that does imo.

Koing[/quote]

Nice thighs and at a low BW I must add! Case in point; squatting = big legs. Ok, who’s next?

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

You have a point; if you want a fair comparison ask what PX had for legs when he was half his age? Ask him what weight he was using then. My money is on the dude was squatting then with some serious weight for his age. He got to where he is at through years of training right. If you want to know how to get somewhere, ask the man that has been there, he knows the way.

Ow and as for the age thing, I’m 47 and according to most, the only squatting I should be doing at my age is in the bathroom. So age does have its downside. What comes with age is knowledge.

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the funny thing about this thread, is that prof x’s legs dont really stand out to me as particularly impressive.

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the other funny thing about this thread was it being over at page one…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

No one on this forum whines about my every post like you do. If only violins could back you up.[/quote]

Well, I would disagree with that. I think plenty of posters of the years have complained about you quite a bit. Regardless, what do you think about the point I made? Do you really think it’s fair to talk down to people for not being as big as you, when you’ve had much more time to get there? Doesn’t that seem ridiculous to you?[/quote]

Mtag hasn’t provided any evidence of his own progress, but is giving advice based on ‘what worked for him’. That’s why pictures would be relevant. It has nothing to do with his size versus X, it’s based on his own claims. If he’s impressive, then I want to learn from him. Maybe do what he does. If he’s not, I’m going to disregard the advice.
[/quote]

Fair point. I wasn’t really defending Mtag, though. I was just pointing X’s flawed logic. He frequently talks about how there aren’t many here who are as big as him. I just pointed out that many of the guys he gives shit to are still pretty young and have years to grow still.
[/quote]

Then maybe they should listen to people who have been where they are now.

What point are you trying to make? That those with more experience should post less?

This is all you do on this forum, try to pint out “my flawed logic”…when it isn’t flawed.

Why the fuck are people with no pictures posted or who haven’t built any size responding about what builds the biggest muscles?
[/quote]

But, has it ever occurred to you that all younger guys aren’t destined for failure and could, dare I say it, do fine on their own? I mean, I know you probably have good intentions, but sometimes it just seems like you are getting in the way of guys finding out what works for them by telling them constantly what worked for you. Also, you have said yourself that your way of training and diet really only cater to those with good genetics. So, why constantly play it off like your way works for everyone? I’m honestly just trying to have a discussion with you and these are genuine questions. I would appreciate if you wouldn’t reply in some snippy way like usual.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

You have a point; if you want a fair comparison ask what PX had for legs when he was half his age? Ask him what weight he was using then. My money is on the dude was squatting then with some serious weight for his age. He got to where he is at through years of training right. If you want to know how to get somewhere, ask the man that has been there, he knows the way.

Ow and as for the age thing, I’m 47 and according to most, the only squatting I should be doing at my age is in the bathroom. So age does have its downside. What comes with age is knowledge.
[/quote]

Hey, I can’t stress enough that I’m not knocking X for his age. I am actually trying to make a completely different argument. If anything, I’m trying to get him to not judge younger guys so quickly. He just said that younger guys should listen to those who have been where they are now. But, I am trying to make a counter-argument to X that maybe he is judging some posters for not being as “developed” as he is, when they haven’t even had the time to get there. He acts like their lack of size is because they “must be doing it wrong” like he so often says, when in reality it’s probably just because bodybuilding is a slow process and they haven’t had the time to get to his size. Now, that doesn’t mean they need him jumping in all the time and acting like the authority on all things bodybuilding. Who knows? Maybe they would end up just fine without him shouting his beliefs at them constantly and leaving them to find things out on their own. Because, when it’s all said and done, it’s what works best for you.

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Lol @ this thread! Seriously, how in the holy hell is this thread still moving?
I still use leg extensions-- high reps, heavy weights, low weights, peak holds;
The works.
However, those extensions although important, wouldn’t Do jack shit with heavy-ass volume.
I don’t see myself eliminating a exercise unless, its completely dangerous or, useless in my pursuit for bigger thicker muscles.
Squat only, id probably stall out rather quickly on gains due to lack of variety. Not to mention, being 6’4 squatting in the hole would be disastrous! Lol

I love a good incline hack squat machine (up to 7 plates) 10-15 after Warmup leg extensions ( no lock outs) squat or smith-machine squats.
Like most guys say, if one could get massive quads with good shape with squats alone, then by all means continue to dp so.
For me however, I need more than squats alone.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

You have a point; if you want a fair comparison ask what PX had for legs when he was half his age? Ask him what weight he was using then. My money is on the dude was squatting then with some serious weight for his age. He got to where he is at through years of training right. If you want to know how to get somewhere, ask the man that has been there, he knows the way.

Ow and as for the age thing, I’m 47 and according to most, the only squatting I should be doing at my age is in the bathroom. So age does have its downside. What comes with age is knowledge.
[/quote]

Hey, I can’t stress enough that I’m not knocking X for his age. I am actually trying to make a completely different argument. If anything, I’m trying to get him to not judge younger guys so quickly. He just said that younger guys should listen to those who have been where they are now. But, I am trying to make a counter-argument to X that maybe he is judging some posters for not being as “developed” as he is, when they haven’t even had the time to get there. He acts like their lack of size is because they “must be doing it wrong” like he so often says, when in reality it’s probably just because bodybuilding is a slow process and they haven’t had the time to get to his size. Now, that doesn’t mean they need him jumping in all the time and acting like the authority on all things bodybuilding. Who knows? Maybe they would end up just fine without him shouting his beliefs at them constantly and leaving them to find things out on their own. Because, when it’s all said and done, it’s what works best for you.
[/quote]

All you do on this site is whine about my posts.

Lol at being pissed because of telling someone not to avoid exercises like this for no reason when everyone else is saying the same thing.

get a new hobby.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.[/quote]

Another moral of the story: A 37-year-old man needs to realize that he can’t just keep calling people out for not being as big as him, when they are only roughly HALF his age. Seriously, give it time, X. I’m sure many of the guys you condescend will be plenty big by the time they are almost 40 too. It just seems unfair that you always use the “I’m bigger than you” argument, when many of us haven’t had the time to get as big as you yet. How the hell are many of the guys you’ve insulted supposed to have gotten as big as you in half the time? You’ve had 37 YEARS to get to your size. You can’t fault others for not having gotten as big as you in only about 20 or so.[/quote]

You have a point; if you want a fair comparison ask what PX had for legs when he was half his age? Ask him what weight he was using then. My money is on the dude was squatting then with some serious weight for his age. He got to where he is at through years of training right. If you want to know how to get somewhere, ask the man that has been there, he knows the way.

Ow and as for the age thing, I’m 47 and according to most, the only squatting I should be doing at my age is in the bathroom. So age does have its downside. What comes with age is knowledge.
[/quote]

Hey, I can’t stress enough that I’m not knocking X for his age. I am actually trying to make a completely different argument. If anything, I’m trying to get him to not judge younger guys so quickly. He just said that younger guys should listen to those who have been where they are now. But, I am trying to make a counter-argument to X that maybe he is judging some posters for not being as “developed” as he is, when they haven’t even had the time to get there. He acts like their lack of size is because they “must be doing it wrong” like he so often says, when in reality it’s probably just because bodybuilding is a slow process and they haven’t had the time to get to his size. Now, that doesn’t mean they need him jumping in all the time and acting like the authority on all things bodybuilding. Who knows? Maybe they would end up just fine without him shouting his beliefs at them constantly and leaving them to find things out on their own. Because, when it’s all said and done, it’s what works best for you.
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All you do on this site is whine about my posts.

Lol at being pissed because of telling someone not to avoid exercises like this for no reason when everyone else is saying the same thing.

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U are the most troll man i have ever known , i asked if it is possible to get good legs witout legs extension and u said no becuase i will need all these shit legs extension curl and there is no way i will get good result from squat ,deadlift,SLD,lunge etc…
so u just got prove from two ppl (with pictures) that u are wrong so please stop talking bull**** and saying things u just know nothing about .
almost i would go and buying these leg extension/ machine becuase u talking like knowledge but the fact u know nothing ,
i amnt avoid from nothing just dont have acces to these machine so why u confuse me and tell me that i have to .
the real man who is trolling here is u .
good luck with your “huge” legs from leg extension