Leg Extension Worthless

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[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Well while this thread was busy going round in circles and getting nowhere I was down the gym squatting AND doing leg extensions (naughty) and I believe my legs grew more than they would have done had I just squatted alone.lol

What a load of nonsense, of course they have a place in hypertrophy-driven leg workout.

Those of you claiming good quad development from squats alone, have you ever considered utilising leg extensions, you never know, you might be missing a trick there fellas…[/quote]

I have tried training legs like a bodybuilder (machiens etc) and it did jack shit for my growth personally. Squatting 3x a week made my legs grow more than anything else. I believe Brick and I had this talk in another thread but I’ve found that my best hamstring growth came from non “bodybuilding” exercises. Glute ham raises made it so I finally have a bit of a “hang” to my hamstrings.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
\ Some people forget that reaching bodybuilder proportions isn’t everyone’s goal.

S[/quote]

That may not be everyone’s goal…but if the conversation is about what works best to get really huge muscles like a bodybuilder, then the goal is assumed as trying to reach some level of “extreme” compared to the average gym goer.[/quote]

Dude, I wrote that as an extra bit of explanation in complimenting Brick’s quads, that’s all (I believe another poster brought them up). And while he’s certainly not going to be worrying guys like Kai or Rhoden, it seems to be a conscious decision on his part to stay the dimensions he’s currently at, well above the average gym rat IMO.

So yes, it was in line with the conversation. Thanks for replying to point out that someone may have possibly veered slightly from the original post’s topic. I really don’t know what the site would do without you.

S[/quote]

Seriously? A little too snarky from you.

It wasn’t about being off topic. It was about how it is great if someone doesn’t want to get that big…but that doesn’t mean the rest of us need to make posts with that consideration.

As far as this topic, I saw more growth especially when I added machine squats and going lower than usual. For some reason, that made a significant difference.

I now do more unilateral work but past knee issues limit some of my leg training lately.

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Well while this thread was busy going round in circles and getting nowhere I was down the gym squatting AND doing leg extensions (naughty) and I believe my legs grew more than they would have done had I just squatted alone.lol

What a load of nonsense, of course they have a place in hypertrophy-driven leg workout.

Those of you claiming good quad development from squats alone, have you ever considered utilising leg extensions, you never know, you might be missing a trick there fellas…[/quote]

I have tried training legs like a bodybuilder (machiens etc) and it did jack shit for my growth personally. Squatting 3x a week made my legs grow more than anything else. I believe Brick and I had this talk in another thread but I’ve found that my best hamstring growth came from non “bodybuilding” exercises. Glute ham raises made it so I finally have a bit of a “hang” to my hamstrings. [/quote]

Why do you think bodybuilders don’t squat?

Your posts are strange in this forum.

Training like a bodybuilder includes squats and everything else. No one here has written otherwise.

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It’s never a good idea to say an exercise is “good” or “bad”. Why would you ever want to put limits on yourself and what you can do?

Are squats great? Yes, but not for everyone. I realized after 5 yrs of lifting sometimes my spine needs a break. Leg extensions and leg press did a good job of keeping my legs trained while I gave my spine a break.

At the same time, some guys really need to squat to get bigger. I honestly feel like squatting 20 pounds does more than leg pressing 600 - there’s just nothing like using your whole body to perform a lift and making the total system stronger. If you’ve got 30 minutes to train legs, spend 5 warming up and 25 squatting.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Well while this thread was busy going round in circles and getting nowhere I was down the gym squatting AND doing leg extensions (naughty) and I believe my legs grew more than they would have done had I just squatted alone.lol

What a load of nonsense, of course they have a place in hypertrophy-driven leg workout.

Those of you claiming good quad development from squats alone, have you ever considered utilising leg extensions, you never know, you might be missing a trick there fellas…[/quote]

I have tried training legs like a bodybuilder (machiens etc) and it did jack shit for my growth personally. Squatting 3x a week made my legs grow more than anything else. I believe Brick and I had this talk in another thread but I’ve found that my best hamstring growth came from non “bodybuilding” exercises. Glute ham raises made it so I finally have a bit of a “hang” to my hamstrings. [/quote]

Why do you think bodybuilders don’t squat?

Your posts are strange in this forum.

Training like a bodybuilder includes squats and everything else. No one here has written otherwise.[/quote]

I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant

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Pec Dec vs Bench press?

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Today I did legs. I squatted low bar and below parallel for sets of 6, then did 3x5 good mornings, then did 3x6 atg back squats, then I did 4 sets of leg extensions and hamstring curls. My quads got PUMPED beyond belief in the extensions, and my hamstrings got the same feeling on the good mornings. Just a hands on experience.

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[quote]Samir wrote:
It’s never a good idea to say an exercise is “good” or “bad”. Why would you ever want to put limits on yourself and what you can do?

Are squats great? Yes, but not for everyone. I realized after 5 yrs of lifting sometimes my spine needs a break. Leg extensions and leg press did a good job of keeping my legs trained while I gave my spine a break.

At the same time, some guys really need to squat to get bigger. I honestly feel like squatting 20 pounds does more than leg pressing 600 - there’s just nothing like using your whole body to perform a lift and making the total system stronger. If you’ve got 30 minutes to train legs, spend 5 warming up and 25 squatting. [/quote]

This completely.

It worked for a while. I would be too injured to lift if I kept doing them now.

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
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Post pics of legs.

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Well while this thread was busy going round in circles and getting nowhere I was down the gym squatting AND doing leg extensions (naughty) and I believe my legs grew more than they would have done had I just squatted alone.lol

What a load of nonsense, of course they have a place in hypertrophy-driven leg workout.

Those of you claiming good quad development from squats alone, have you ever considered utilising leg extensions, you never know, you might be missing a trick there fellas…[/quote]

I have tried training legs like a bodybuilder (machiens etc) and it did jack shit for my growth personally. Squatting 3x a week made my legs grow more than anything else. I believe Brick and I had this talk in another thread but I’ve found that my best hamstring growth came from non “bodybuilding” exercises. Glute ham raises made it so I finally have a bit of a “hang” to my hamstrings. [/quote]

Why do you think bodybuilders don’t squat?

Your posts are strange in this forum.

Training like a bodybuilder includes squats and everything else. No one here has written otherwise.[/quote]

I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
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Dude, you’re 20 years old. You have no idea what is going to best for you long-term. This is an absolute joke. You couldn’t possibly have given training like a bodybuilder much time. Why are you so willing to dismiss a training style completely at your age?

One of the reasons bodybuilders train the way they do is longevity/injury prevention. Squatting 3x a week may work for you when you’re 20 years old, but keep it up for the next decade and see if you don’t want to mix things up a little.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
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Post pics of legs.[/quote]

I’m with you, let’s see. Btw PX, any chance you want to tell the boys what your single is? Point being, big lifts and big weight will get you…uh… BIG.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
[/quote]

Post pics of legs.[/quote]

So by my saying that something different than what worked for you, worked for me, I’m frauding and need to post pictures to prove this? Is it really impossible for you to believe that what you believe/say isn’t right for 100% of people in 100% of instances?

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
[/quote]

Post pics of legs.[/quote]

So by my saying that something different than what worked for you, worked for me, I’m frauding and need to post pictures to prove this? Is it really impossible for you to believe that what you believe/say isn’t right for 100% of people in 100% of instances?
[/quote]

Uh, no, you missed the point.

Judging from your posts, what is doubted is your conviction and actual mass built.

Your posts are everywhere. I would just like to see what that mouth built.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Well while this thread was busy going round in circles and getting nowhere I was down the gym squatting AND doing leg extensions (naughty) and I believe my legs grew more than they would have done had I just squatted alone.lol

What a load of nonsense, of course they have a place in hypertrophy-driven leg workout.

Those of you claiming good quad development from squats alone, have you ever considered utilising leg extensions, you never know, you might be missing a trick there fellas…[/quote]

I have tried training legs like a bodybuilder (machiens etc) and it did jack shit for my growth personally. Squatting 3x a week made my legs grow more than anything else. I believe Brick and I had this talk in another thread but I’ve found that my best hamstring growth came from non “bodybuilding” exercises. Glute ham raises made it so I finally have a bit of a “hang” to my hamstrings. [/quote]

Why do you think bodybuilders don’t squat?

Your posts are strange in this forum.

Training like a bodybuilder includes squats and everything else. No one here has written otherwise.[/quote]

I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
[/quote]

Dude, you’re 20 years old. You have no idea what is going to best for you long-term. This is an absolute joke. You couldn’t possibly have given training like a bodybuilder much time. Why are you so willing to dismiss a training style completely at your age?

One of the reasons bodybuilders train the way they do is longevity/injury prevention. Squatting 3x a week may work for you when you’re 20 years old, but keep it up for the next decade and see if you don’t want to mix things up a little.[/quote]

I dismissed it completely, for now. So you’re right down the line I might have to switch it up, who knows. I’m not saying I’ll never do more machine based training for legs but it’s not conducive for my goals at the moment.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
[/quote]

Post pics of legs.[/quote]

So by my saying that something different than what worked for you, worked for me, I’m frauding and need to post pictures to prove this? Is it really impossible for you to believe that what you believe/say isn’t right for 100% of people in 100% of instances?
[/quote]

Uh, no, you missed the point.

Judging from your posts, what is doubted is your conviction and actual mass built.

Your posts are everywhere. I would just like to see what that mouth built.[/quote]

I have 240 posts on this forum in over a year. Let’s see, if I joined in 2003 that would be somewhere around 24000 posts, around half of yours. Obviously I’m the one who posts too much…

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
[/quote]

Post pics of legs.[/quote]

I’m with you, let’s see. Btw PX, any chance you want to tell the boys what your single is? Point being, big lifts and big weight will get you…uh… BIG.[/quote]

Always tried to stay away from 1 rep maxes.

Even now, if I list a weight, it is weight I can do for at least 5 reps.

If I could only do it one time now, I wouldn’t count it. Even when I first wrote about me hitting 405 the very first time, that was 3 reps.

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

I have 240 posts on this forum in over a year. Let’s see, if I joined in 2003 that would be somewhere around 24000 posts, around half of yours. Obviously I’m the one who posts too much…[/quote]

It isn’t about how many posts you have but what those posts consist of…and let’s face it…there isn’t a whole lot of wisdom and knowledge seeping from that key board…and your reluctance to post a picture now is telling.

Yes, you are an example of what thinking you have it all figured out as a relative newer trainer can do to one’s psyche.

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Moral of the story - different strokes for different folks. Nothing that page 1 couldn’t have told you.

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I’m not saying bodybuilders don’t squat, let me clarify. I tried training legs like a bodybuilder, I still squatted but only once a week and did many isolation leg exercises, so although I squatted most of my leg training was other stuff. When I shifted to almost exclusively squatting I had more growth. I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that specifically, but that’s what I meant
[/quote]

Post pics of legs.[/quote]

So by my saying that something different than what worked for you, worked for me, I’m frauding and need to post pictures to prove this? Is it really impossible for you to believe that what you believe/say isn’t right for 100% of people in 100% of instances?
[/quote]

you could at least share your numbers to show how much you’ve progressed.

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moral of the story, don’t take “get huge bodybuilding” advice from people with no pictures posted.