Leg Extension Worthless

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Does ebomb have huge quads? I’m interested, as I don’t know much about the guy. Also, X, what’s up with putting “monster quads” in quotation marks? Are you in disbelief that someone else on the site could have big quads? I know for a fact that Brickhead has some huge fucking quads. I’ve seen pics. Why the doubt?[/quote]

Ebomb is a monster. Like Stu said, his quads are absolutely ridiculous.

Ebomb is an anomaly around here. For every guy like him, or Bauber, or any of the other true beasts who have spent time on here, there are hundreds of little guys who like to talk shit without anything to back it up.

side note, Brickhead’s got some quality leg development, certainly impressive.[/quote]

Which was the only point made.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Best part of this thread is X saying not many people here have massive quads and then like clockwork Ebomb showed up. [/quote]

Where did I write this?

What posts are some of you reading?

that is two posts now complaining about me writing things that haven’t been written.

wtf?[/quote]

First page. Sorry you said monster not massive…

I also wasn’t complaining, I actually agree, just pointing out how funny it was that you post that and one of the unicorns show up right on que.

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I guess we differ on what we find funny.

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The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.

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While the OP was obviously a troll, I actually believe that squats alone can lead to some great quad development under certain conditions.
The key for squats-only approach to work is imo: high frequency (2-5x/week) + moderate/high reps (5+) + heavy (75%1RM+) + consistency (years). Which basically describes what it takes to become an intermediate (raw) Pler (or Wler).

I think you can find many intermediate natty raw powerlifters (500lbs+ squats) with damn good legs. For example, my quad development came ONLY from years of raw squatting (5x5 Madcow, Smolov, Russian Squat routine etc. you name it) and my legs are pretty good - even Shelby was impressed. I think another good example is TN’s Koing (WLer).

ps: Those people who complain that powerlifting training didn’t give them big legs are either gear whores, never got strong enough, or are extremely talented for strength sport (see, e.g., Tom Martin).

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leg extension are negligible
only good for minor detail work
and synthol injecting bb’er.
full rom heavy leg extension are the fastest way to injure your knees.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

Sorry, that can not be quantified but I have received fairly good development with squats alone. I do have 2 leg pics on my hub; for better or worse, thatâ??s what I got from squatting alone.

I do gage my results by my post workout soreness so it is relevant. No hard research to give you, just common sense to me. My legs never got sore from sitting on the couch eating Twinkies.

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I saw more growth from leg presses and machine squats. At their biggest I measured them at 30.5".

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.
[/quote]

Bingo.

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
leg extension are negligible
only good for minor detail work
and synthol injecting bb’er.
full rom heavy leg extension are the fastest way to injure your knees.[/quote]

False. improper squat form would probably ruin your knees a bit quicker than heavy leg extensions.

Leg extensions CAN be useful if the goal is muscle building in the quads. That isnt to say that leg extensions should be substituted in place of things like squats, or that leg extensions are all that you need, or that you can’t build great quads without leg extensions.

taking the overlying message of ‘Leg extensions CAN be useful’ should not lead to any of the above statements. Leg extensions are NOT useless, they are rather an isolating movement (Just like 1H Preacher curls, or overhead DB extensions, or etc or etc). These are secondary exercises. They are not meant to be the foundation for routines.

Are leg extensions more damaging on the knees? They can be, but no more so than any other movement (as some people complain about shoulders when benching or elbows when doing skullcrushers or wrists when barbell curling). If you are loading the machine with more weight than you can do and really popping your knee at extension and not providing any eccentric control, then yea it’ll probably be an overall negative. The damaging effect of movements is always a MAYBE, because it depends on YOU. That’s a reason why there are so many options for exercises at the gym, you have to work with your body and your comfort zone.

This isnt a ‘100% For leg extensions’ piece, as i said not everything is going to work for everyone. It simply says that this movement, just as any other movement, CAN be useful to some while not being great for others. To argue that a movement is worthless is just silly.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I guess we differ on what we find funny.[/quote]

agreed.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

Sorry, that can not be quantified but I have received fairly good development with squats alone. I do have 2 leg pics on my hub; for better or worse, thatâ??s what I got from squatting alone.

I do gage my results by my post workout soreness so it is relevant. No hard research to give you, just common sense to me. My legs never got sore from sitting on the couch eating Twinkies.
[/quote]
wow man u have huge legs !!!
keep going !

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

Sorry, that can not be quantified but I have received fairly good development with squats alone. I do have 2 leg pics on my hub; for better or worse, thatâ??s what I got from squatting alone.

I do gage my results by my post workout soreness so it is relevant. No hard research to give you, just common sense to me. My legs never got sore from sitting on the couch eating Twinkies.
[/quote]

We’re not comparing exercising to not exercising, we’re comparing exercise choices.

I think we can all agree that squats have the potential to induce considerable hypertrophy. Your legs obviously look great. I think plenty of guys who just squat have great legs as well. That being said, there are a lot of guys who don’t fare as well on squat-only programs, in terms of aesthetics/balance. I think the main argument being presented for leg extensions is that they are an additional tool that can further increase hypertrophy when used appropriately.

Doublelung, if you had intentions of stepping on a bodybuilding stage, are you convinced you wouldn’t incorporate more exercise variations? Given what you’ve achieved to this point, I could certainly see why you wouldn’t, but I’m curious anyway.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
\ Some people forget that reaching bodybuilder proportions isn’t everyone’s goal.

S[/quote]

That may not be everyone’s goal…but if the conversation is about what works best to get really huge muscles like a bodybuilder, then the goal is assumed as trying to reach some level of “extreme” compared to the average gym goer.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I saw more growth from leg presses and machine squats. At their biggest I measured them at 30.5". [/quote]

30’s at 5’-10" Holy balls! Please tell me you have a pic of that!

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
The squat is king, hands down. I went through a groin injury and had to back off my heavy squats. After a month layoff from leg training, I started to super-set leg extensions with slant board squats. I am barely sore the next day when before I would limp for 2 days.

For years my previous program was to squat; nothing else, just squat and squat some more.
[/quote]

Soreness /= massive legs. Not sure how this is relevant, unless you can show us your legs got enormous from just squatting.

fwiw, I basically lift like that, I don’t really do leg extensions at all. I also don’t think my program is the best one for hypertrophy. Squatting all the time is the best thing I’ve ever done for strength. Meadow’s Reactive Pump training, which I did for 3 months, induced more leg hypertrophy than squatting alone ever has.[/quote]

Sorry, that can not be quantified but I have received fairly good development with squats alone. I do have 2 leg pics on my hub; for better or worse, that�¢??s what I got from squatting alone.

I do gage my results by my post workout soreness so it is relevant. No hard research to give you, just common sense to me. My legs never got sore from sitting on the couch eating Twinkies.
[/quote]

We’re not comparing exercising to not exercising, we’re comparing exercise choices.

I think we can all agree that squats have the potential to induce considerable hypertrophy. Your legs obviously look great. I think plenty of guys who just squat have great legs as well. That being said, there are a lot of guys who don’t fare as well on squat-only programs, in terms of aesthetics/balance. I think the main argument being presented for leg extensions is that they are an additional tool that can further increase hypertrophy when used appropriately.

Doublelung, if you had intentions of stepping on a bodybuilding stage, are you convinced you wouldn’t incorporate more exercise variations? Given what you’ve achieved to this point, I could certainly see why you wouldn’t, but I’m curious anyway.[/quote]

Stepping on stage, lol! I’m an old has-been-never-was. I could never compete with those dudes. I just want to look good and if I am putting in the time, why not get the most of of the 1 1/2 hr. I am in the gym?

I think you can “Add” some finishing exercises if you like but for mass; SQUAT! by the way, I was more of a powerlifter then bodybuilder. It is no surprise that dudes with big legs (quads and hams) squat big weight.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I saw more growth from leg presses and machine squats. At their biggest I measured them at 30.5". [/quote]

30’s at 5’-10" Holy balls! Please tell me you have a pic of that![/quote]

They were 30 in the last pic I posted.

There are many guys with better shaped quads and calves that may look bigger due to illusion.

For instance, my calves suck…but they measure over 18" which isn’t small by any standards. However, on me, they would need to be 20" to look “built”…bigger to be impressive.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
\ Some people forget that reaching bodybuilder proportions isn’t everyone’s goal.

S[/quote]

That may not be everyone’s goal…but if the conversation is about what works best to get really huge muscles like a bodybuilder, then the goal is assumed as trying to reach some level of “extreme” compared to the average gym goer.[/quote]

Dude, I wrote that as an extra bit of explanation in complimenting Brick’s quads, that’s all (I believe another poster brought them up). And while he’s certainly not going to be worrying guys like Kai or Rhoden, it seems to be a conscious decision on his part to stay the dimensions he’s currently at, well above the average gym rat IMO.

So yes, it was in line with the conversation. Thanks for replying to point out that someone may have possibly veered slightly from the original post’s topic. I really don’t know what the site would do without you.

S

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Well while this thread was busy going round in circles and getting nowhere I was down the gym squatting AND doing leg extensions (naughty) and I believe my legs grew more than they would have done had I just squatted alone.lol

What a load of nonsense, of course they have a place in hypertrophy-driven leg workout.

Those of you claiming good quad development from squats alone, have you ever considered utilising leg extensions, you never know, you might be missing a trick there fellas…