Perhaps. But I’ve got to think some pretty independent minded people won’t support Trump. I’m not talking about full blooded Democrats.
I disagree. Democrats will turn out much better to vote against Trump know that he’s a fully known quantity. Even if they don’t love Biden, Bernie, or anyone else the Dems run. They very well may lose but I don’t think turnouts going to be an issue. And it’s not going to be because they have someone like Obama in 08 that they can’t wait to show up to vote for.
I was meaning more the ones they used to claim.
These people coming out in droves will vote against Trump. And the casualties of Republicans not named Trump like we saw in 18 may happen.
Anyone who doesn’t already know for which side he’s voting(barring some crazy, unforeseen event) can’t really be called “independent minded.” Or any kind of “minded,” for that matter.
If they’re coming out to vote against TRUMP, why would other Republicans be effected? Are Kansas ballots different from the ones out this way? I could alternate between R and D all the way down my ballot if I so choose.
While many say the idea of a swing voter is a myth I don’t believe it is so. Small percentage? No doubt. But they still exist according to data we have.
You could but that’s not the way these things tend to work. Polling would say he was a drag in 18 and if that is the case in 20 it could be pretty rough for Republicans. The generic congressional ballot has been hovering around Dems +8 or 9 for a while. I believe that is a reflection of Trumps popularity which has been consistently low.
It’s even possible Trump wins the general and loses the popular again and is a drag on the R ticket. Right now I don’t see any data to suggest Trump at the top of the ticket leads to anything else.
I enjoy looking at polling and history and using data to predict results. Since you changed the topic to something else I’ll assume you’re in agreement with my last post.
To what? The topic is “Left, Right, No in between.” Look, President is by far the most important office for a party to control. I understand that you would love to see Republicans fight amongst themselves to the point that Democrats control everything, because Republicans apparently hurt the online poker community. That is just not the best strategy for them.
That would be like me saying, “Brah, the best way for gun control advocates to accomplish their goals is for each of them to acquire a gun and use it to blow his brains out.” It may be something I wouldn’t mind happening, but it isn’t the best way for them to accomplish their goals.
We were discussing Trumps effect on the ticket. Then you stopped discussing that.
Of course it is. But everything else matters significantly. Trump has nothing to do with online poker. No idea why would you bring that up unless it’s some type of attempted weak attack on me and not my argument.
If Trump leads to a massive blue wave it damages the party for years to come. That’s pretty much all I’ve been saying.
Because it makes clear that you are not really concerned for the well-being of the Republican Party. *Edit: you also mentioned it within the past week or so
If I said, “I really hate that asshole,” then later said, “I think it would be in his best interest to jump off of the Sears Tower,” should said asshole follow my advice?
I’m not particularly concerned for the well-being of either party. Are you? I was on here talking about how I thought Hilary winning would be a huge potential issue for Democrats very early in the last primary period.
I do enjoy very much discussing politics and certainly enjoy looking at polling and data behind it. Best I know none of us work for either of the major parties but I don’t see that as disqualifying us from opinions.
Not really. I AM, however, excited about Progressives being disappointed. I DO believe Democrats are much worse than Republicans. I believe this country is many times too large to be run by the elite headquartered in one city, but that is seen as an endorsement of slavery and can’t be said.
And I believe Trumps much worse than Democrats or Republicans. Although much like conservative I’m not sure what progressive means anymore. I’m certainly not for some of the things coming out of the mouths of the left, but I’m not letting a clearly mentally unstable person continue to run the country either. In an environment that is incredibly difficult currently to get big legislation done I’ll take an adult.
I typically vote third party but I would vote for sane adult Republican in a heartbreak. But that person won’t be at the top of the ticket. I don’t live in one of the states that actually matters to presidential elections though.
There has to be an in between atm. I’d say Trump is in a “little bit” of a conundrum promising voters to lower the price of oil…I have my beliefs on why Putin is standing up to OPECs leader, Saudi Arabia
Note: these are approximations to give a general idea: The world knows the costs are around 8.50 in US dollars to produce in Saudi Arabia and about 48 here in the US (shale can really be expensive, though). Russia’s conventional drilling is around 20.
Will new oil sanctions on storing Iran’s oil (Russia friendly) that illegally goes to China further disrupt the world? Will Putin blink, or does the US realize how much we rely on China…hmm
Is the US so powerful if a foreign country crashes our stock market…
IMO, it is a problem if Trump’s base is now the Republican base. It might be. He seems to be able through twitter to destroy fellow Republican politicians if they have stood up to him. Can a moderate Republican get the nomination?
I don’t have a good answer other than I am skeptical that after Trump we will have normal politicians on the right (as presidential candidates). It is going to be largely the same group that nominated Trump voting in the primaries for the next candidate.
I am pleased to see that Biden is likely the candidate. Not because I am a big fan of him, or that he lines up with my ideals, but because he is moderate. I just want a boring president. I don’t want the polarization we now have.
The same reason the weights keep getting heavier and heavier. Same as the food gets spicier and spicier. Progressive overload.
To get votes you need attention
You can capture attention through MASSIVE fear
So then the other guy’s policies are dangerous. No, no, not just “dangerous”, you know what I mean. They will kill us all.
It’s bound to devolve into this until people allegorically recognize we should lower the weights and focus again on form, or die. From injury, supposedly.
It’s not absolutely everyone, but those might not get noticed. Which is why I don’t want to blame you. Still, it’s a similar mental mechanism at play here in this quote, I think
If you’d have said ‘a lot of people’, or ‘to often’, etc. would the problem seem smaller and get less attention?
My awkward fast then slow style is probably obnoxious, but it might work in grabbing a little extra attention without any alarm
Moderate was probably the wrong term to use. Trump seems to be IMO the most authoritarian president in modern times. His base seems to like that attribute, and my guess is that they will seek that out in the next nominee.
Why is there no in-between? Because, like I said in the thread about drugs, getting what a people wants culturally, politically, or anything of serious consequence requires forcing will on others. It sure doesn’t sound nice but in the end, it’s true. And in the US today, there are various kinds of people with various aims, whereas in the past it was for the most part a matter of Republicans representing management, and democrats representing labor.
In the end the people who are willing to outdo others will win. Moderation doesn’t work anymore.