It’s not just the super rich, the sort-of-rich restaurant owners (and other business owners too) are exploiting people, and this includes white people. They need new immigrants to work for them because most white people and immigrants who have been here long enough want nothing to do with them.
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Well, that’s a different story. I’m not aware of any similar issue here. What do these white people who don’t want to work actually do? Live off welfare?
I meant more in significant quantities and largely used race because that’s how the immigration debate was framed in the discussion.
Canada and the US have recently hit and been flirting with all time high’s in open jobs. Making an argument that now is a good time to stop immigration in either place doesn’t make sense to me. Neither country can fill the jobs they currently have open and both countries have easy access to work for the vast majority of citizens.
Where I’m at some would receive social assistance but a lot of them would rather take jobs where you don’t have to work as hard and receive less money than take the jobs where you have to bust your ass. We have way too many cozy jobs that pay decent enough to make it for most to even consider the type of pure ass jobs immigrants are willing to do.
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Yeah; welfare, heroin, a steady state of mediocrity and the bare minimum. People in my town would literally rather work for minimum wage because it takes the burden off of them. Sets the bar pretty low for those of us that actually want to bust ass though, so it’s a win, as long as you work for a company than can struggle with minimal employees.
I didnt even read this reply, but yeah, basically parroting this.
Also, speaking exclusively from the landscape industry, our young white guys complain about their relatively cushy jobs in the wholesale side. Dont get me wrong, its stressful as fuck handling 10’s of thousands of dollars a day for grumpy ass contractors, for long ass hours, with it’s fair share of manual labor, but it sure as hell beats digging trenches everyday, and that’s obviously off the table if they cant handle the former.
I think for a lot of people where I work they are much happier having a bit less material wealth than would motivate them to take more stressful or time consuming jobs. For the most part to me it seems that if a lot of these people have the necessities and high speed internet what else is truly needed? I’m not sure though.
Eh, I came from a pretty poverty-ridden upbringing, so my natural response is “literally anything more than the bare minimum” but I can see your logic. Personally i hate stagnation and dont understand why people get comfortable for such low pay. Sure, I could happily get by with my gym, some game time, and a healthy relstionship…
But I’ll be much happier with a very comfortable financial blanket and a nice truck with a nice sound system. This is just an analogy, but my point being that there is always something worth working towards, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to shoot myself in the foot because i got too complacent.
Plus, now twice, I’ve lost everything due to circumstances outside of my control, and at 27, that’s not a great track record for me to gamble on. I’d rather, in the event of something catastrophic happening in my life to be nothing more than a burden, as opposed to a life altering event that could spiral downward due to sticking it out at a job for $15/hr because “its comfortable” you know? I just cant relate.
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I’m the same way completely.
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No, I talk about other places because America is not a vacuum, it part of the world. Just as studying history allows you to learn from others mistakes over time, studying other countries at the moment can do the same.
You seem to have the idea that I think America is going to crumble into nothingness immediately. I’m not saying that at all, just that there is a risk of it happening over time, It could be 20, 50 or 100 years. Maybe it will still exist in some form it just won’t be recognisable as the America of today, or of the past. I doubt it will be as great if that happens.
Re: somethings only racist if a white person does it. That was humour, but I have actually come across people that actually believe that.
You might want to read some of my earlier posts again, because I did talk about those issues before. Once again its more than an American issue, this is going on in virtually every country from the first world to the third world.
What makes me think you didn’t need unskilled work at that time, how about the fact the unemployment rates were much higher than now, because you were in a recession that lasted a decade. That’s about as basic as you can get for economics.
Many American companies were and are still getting work done for them offshore, by cheaper Asian labour, rather than employing locals and even illegal immigrants, to do factory work and manufacturing. Only recently when Trump threatened sanctions on China, and new rules about increased tariffs have these same American companies decided that it is indeed cheaper to have their goods made in the US( or at least made in the US for the US market to avoid tariffs, for business outside the US they are still using offshore labour).
Yeah, shitty low paying jobs and half of them are part time too. A lot of business owners are too greedy to pay people a decent wage. We don’t have high unemployment over here right now either, and most people who actually refuse to work are criminals or pretty much unemployable one way or another.
Well, those people are just lazy and maybe they deserve to get replaced. I don’t see what they can complain about. I’m also not aware of a similar problem over here.
That just seems weird to me. Unless you’re under 25 or so, or a new immigrant, if you are happy working for minimum wage then something is wrong with you.
Is the cost of living fairly low where you are? Here just for a bachelor apartment you are looking at $800+ per month, and not in a nice building. After taxes, that’s about half of what you would earn full time at minimum wage. You could rent a room for maybe $600. Food is expensive too. Internet, home phone, and cable is almost $200/month. You won’t starve on minimum wage, but it’s not really living comfortably.
In Canada almost everything is made in China. It’s like I’m saying, business owners don’t want to pay decent wages. There is barely any manufacturing going on in Canada nowadays.
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Dude you need to check your facts. The recession technically ended in 18 months. It was never even close to bad enough that people were looking to work in those shit jobs. This wasn’t 75% unemployment man. It’s not like it was impossible to find work and the amount of people who moved to the middle of nowhere to work awful jobs was pretty damn low if not close to 0. I don’t think I had a single friend that wasn’t working at the same place as before the recession after it.
A decade after the start unemployment was hovering around 4%. You seem to have little knowledge of the US job market which is ok I realize you aren’t from here. But most of what you seem to think is accurate isn’t close.
Perhaps. Simple fact is on the whole in Canada if you want to have employment it’s currently beyond easy to get it.
Nah most of these people aren’t making minimum. They are making a bit over. They are probably one bad thing away from shit hitting the fan but they are comfortable in the sense that they have all their needs and a lot of the toys they want to play with.
A job is easy to get, a full time job that pays somewhat decent is much harder. A lot of university graduates get stuck working in coffee shops and stuff like that, and not just social science majors. Bottom line is there are a lot of shitty jobs that people don’t want.
No, in Ontario they raised the minimum wage a couple years ago from $11 and some change to $14, average wages didn’t go up though and now a lot more people work for minimum wage. Also prices on just about everything went up as a result. There were also quite a few businesses that shut down because they relied on cheap labor, including a bunch of expensive restaurants, there was a lot of stuff about that in the news.
Most people have a lot of debt these days too. Largely their own fault for wanting things they can’t afford and don’t actually need, but it’s still an issue.
For me personally, I basically have these things, and make good money. I would rather have the security blanket of a bunch of money (investments) vs having more material things. I drive an 05 focus for example, but work as an engineer. I just don’t care much for luxury (except good beer).
Same. I have a house and a nice truck. Materialism is for the brain dead masses. If I can fish, train and have a stable girl in my life, I’m content.
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I thought you were asking me about here.
Always has been. Still a lot of jobs I would describe as good paying in both countries open. From looking at job hiring sites for both countries quite a bit of them. Probably never going to be an economy that has high paying jobs for all.
I was and I was also comparing it to the situation here and you were saying jobs are easy to get in Canada. Maybe the “No” wasn’t necessary.
Seems to me like before 2009 there were a lot more jobs with decent pay, and for cooks in particular. The wages for cooks most places are offering now is around what I was making back then.
Right now with minimum wage at $14/hour in Ontario and other much more demanding jobs paying a dollar or two more, I can sympathize with people who would rather work at McDonalds or a convenience store for minimum wage. That sort of situation wasn’t really an issue until recently, but this is why some businesses like restaurants have a labor shortage.