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[quote]veggiestrong wrote:
On the subject of squirrels:

  1. I am in Princeton this morning and I wish I could get a photo of one of the mutant black squirrels that reside here. Anybody ever seen a black squirrel anywhere else?
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There are black ones all over Kent State University. I just googled it and I guess they are native to parts of Canada and were brought there as part of an experiment to see how they would interact with native species.

There was at least one albino squirrels living on the OSU campus too. It got killed by a hawk and it was such a big deal that the story was published in local newspapers.

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Canada - I’ve seen them at Canada’s Wonderland outside Toronto.
Apparently they have also arrived in England although I just see greys in London.

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I’ve seen black squirrels as big as small cats… I’m neutral, like swiss cheese.

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the farm i lived on had this field with a whole family of albino squirrels. white as snow. crazy little fuckers.

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I’m hesitant to let this become a squirrel race issue.

I mean, it’s there, and we can’t NOT talk about it, I just don’t want to lose a valuable contributor to my nuts.

I hope we can all agree to NOT point out the socio economic differences or stereotypes of the black and albino squirrels, be it the types of trees they live in, streets they play in, or their literacy rate.

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Ah well, in Britain we’re still bitter about how the foreign greys arrived and pushed out our native reds. Kind of like people in America, huh?

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I come here looking for meet vids and find porno animals pics instead.

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I come here looking for meet vids and find porno animals pics instead.[/quote]

I notice that you didn’t say how surprised you are.

cal- did they use blankets? :slight_smile:

MIM- BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

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[quote]CBear84 wrote:
I’m hesitant to let this become a squirrel race issue.

I mean, it’s there, and we can’t NOT talk about it, I just don’t want to lose a valuable contributor to my nuts.

I hope we can all agree to NOT point out the socio economic differences or stereotypes of the black and albino squirrels, be it the types of trees they live in, streets they play in, or their literacy rate.

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I believe the contributions of your…nuts…will be secure for quite some time bear.

That said:
Black Furries - Terrorists with tails.
Albino Furries - Serial killers in disguise.

You’ve been warned. o_O

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whew. im back.

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not in the “im not losing my mind” sense, but pegg and i made it back from his meet.

920-300-710

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awesome numbers! :slight_smile:

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Hello gawgeous…Remember me???

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rock on.

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In lieu of the lifting i didnt do tonight, and will hafta prioritize tomorrow to make sure it happens-

a rant, brought to you by the mom who made a fake fb and a lil girl who killed herself.

(one of my profs brought it up as part of a patricide/familicide/Wieland discussion)

summary- girl A insults girl B. Girl B’s mom makes a fake fb, friends girl A, and girl A ends up committing suicide bc of things girl B’s mom said. Mom is charged with some kind of murder/assisted suicide.

what follows is very close to what I said in class-

I’ll start off by saying that I don’t think every human life is beautiful and unique and a miracle. Some people are expendable, and I don’t have a spreadsheet with criteria. I don’t seek to be in a position to decide who lives or dies, but wouldn’t be phased with the obligation should it ever come my way. I’m also an incredible asshole in real life and online. I don’t use my real name, and do what i can to keep my locale and other stuff secret.

what that mother did is nothing short of awful, petty, and fucked up.

however.

words are just words. that mother didnt drive to her house, hand her a syringe full of heroin, hold a gun to her head, and threaten to shoot her if she didnt mainline it.

she didn’t give her a knife, or a gun, or a noose.

they obviously never met IRL.

so if some cunt posing as someone else says things like, “OMG youre nothing but trash. you should go kill yourself.” and someone DOES…

i’m alright with that.

i feel bad for the parents bc i hate it when parents have to bury their children, BUT…

if that little girl (teenagerish) was SO weak mentally that WORDS from an IMAGINARY person could affect her THAT much, i’m glad she didn’t grow up to be an adult.

it sounds like she wouldve been miserable anyway, seeking the approval of others for god knows how long. IF she ever could’ve held down a real job or been part of a relationship that wasnt abusive, the cycle most likely wouldve just continued.

sure, she MIGHT have grown out of it and been awesome, but you cant use the exception to prove the rule.

yes. i was a teenage girl at one point. I don’t know how, but my parents made me realize early on that i have to live in my own skin every day, and no one else does. so i have to be ok with the decisions i make and my accomplishments. fuck other peoples opinion, unless they’re my employer.

so i know THAT teenage girls are fucked up in elebenty different ways, but i can’t relate.

i don’t understand suicide as an option. there is NOTHING that happens to you that makes life no longer worth living, UNLESS YOU LET IT. wife and kids get killed in front of you? its possible to move on. break a nail? move on. someone on teh interwebz doesnt like you? walk away from the computer and move on.

so she killed herself. im moving on.

/rant. feel free to discuss or ignore. :slight_smile:

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holy crap.

sorta different… but maybe sorta similar in relevant respects…

brainwashing. kidnap victims, primarily, but other kinds of cases, too. cults. can’t remember the name of it… one person has a strong / forceful personality and another person does things the first person said and the second person gets some kind of diminished responsibility for their actions in a court of law because of the influence of the former.

sometimes people have delusions that are the result of one person (e.g., one person thinks they are god and another person develops the delusion the first person is god). the second person often comes right once the influence of the first person is removed and in some cases (though not all) the second person doesn’t have a susceptibility to such things. we often think the responsibility of the second person is diminished.

duos, too. particularly teenage girls. there was a case in NZ where two girls killed one of their mothers because they thought she was trying to keep them apart (and she was in fact because she was concerned about how close they were). courts decided it was their combination that was destructive rather than each of them individually. not allowed to see each other ever again (one of the girls grew up to write novels as ‘Ann Perry’).

we do think that young people are particularly vulnerable to external influence. also adults with depression etc. i guess i’m more a fan of assisting the weak to become stronger than hoping or assisting in their curling up and dying.

I guess I’m trying to make a case for diminished responsibility of the girl who killed herself. In the sense that she probably wouldn’t have done that without the influence of the other person and thus the other person bears some responsibility for her having killed herself. More so because the other person was an adult and not a child (and interacted with her from malicious intent).

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Cbear: You had me at causation. No need to blame the vic. Assuming the circumstances are the same, killing a homeless person is no different than killing the person who cures cancer. The some people are expendable, spreadsheet talk is too Hitleresque for me. Awesome is relative. The value of human life is absolute.

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so, it would be different in some way if the antagonist was a peer, instead of an adult? my pov is that if she was so weak to begin with, it was only a matter of time. i get what you’re saying about helping the weak to become stronger… and i ALMOST agree across the board. there’s some young women i’m working with about self esteem and power issues, and its very much a tough love relationship. i just cant get past someone who’s willing to embrace suicide as an option.

-I don’t FEEL like i’m blaming the victim, although i see how it comes off that way. it makes more sense to me, to charge the mother with bullying (if there is a such thing? ignorance is showing) of some sort, and sentence her to epic community service.

-i still don’t see it as the mother killing the other little girl. were it an irl relationship, or the cults that alexus mentioned, sure. however, it was all just txt on a computer screen.

-i will agree that awesome is relative, that spreadsheet talk is Hitleresque. i dont have a spreadsheet nor do i want to see or make one. i’m willing to let people destroy themselves in most cases. I will disagree that the value of human life is absolute. I refuse to accept the idea that there is equal value of life for Mother Theresa and Castro. Or Donald Trump and Nadya Sulemon.

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Cbear: I absolutely agree that the mother should not be charged or convicted of murder for her conduct. What was the evidence that the girl killed herself BECAUSE of the mother’s posts? The fact that they occurred in close temporal proximity I don’t think should be enough to establish cause. But, let’s assume girl left a note–I’m offing myself because my face book friend X hates me. Even then, I don’t think the mom is good for murder because I think there is insufficient evidence of mom’s intent to cause the death of the girl.

Criminal liability requires a criminal act and a mental state. Often we can infer intent from the act itself. If you point a gun at someone and ask them to give you their money–your intent to rob is pretty clear. In this case, can we infer from mom’s acts an intent to cause the death of the girl? Criminal negligence generally requires that a reasonable person would have been aware that there was a SUBSTANTIAL risk of the resulting harm occurring (here the suicide of the girl) from the conduct of the mother (the posts). I don’t see it.

Did mom commit some other offense? I don’t know. None really jump out at me. Menacing usually requires a threat of physical harm. Harassment=offensive touching. ID theft…maybe? But pure speech alone is rarely a basis for criminal liability–giving false information to a police officer is one example–incitement to riot is another. Hmm. I can’t think of anymore.

Re the absolute value of human life–yeah that’s a tough sell. And it is often a struggle for me not to reduce people to their acts. But, that’s my job.