But, don’t both Layne and Glassman know that lifting weights in general is dangerous? That’s the real culprit.
I think there is good Crossfit gyms and then there are bad ones depending on the trainer. It is a business model. He pretty much took what the Russians where doing for hockey in the Olympics and slapped a name on it.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
My only problem with cross fit is the attitude that crossfiters have towards non crossfiters that everything they do is better. Regardless of goals or w.e and I personally could not associate with the cross fit “community” and or be associated with a douchebag like glassmen. [/quote]
I’d have to agree with this. Much of the friction I see stems from the hostility the crossfit community exhibits toward other goals, forms of lifting, and activities. Many other athletic facilities can train and teach on the merits of their methods without disparaging another discipline in the process.
[quote]fncj wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
My only problem with cross fit is the attitude that crossfiters have towards non crossfiters that everything they do is better. Regardless of goals or w.e and I personally could not associate with the cross fit “community” and or be associated with a douchebag like glassmen. [/quote]
I’d have to agree with this. Much of the friction I see stems from the hostility the crossfit community exhibits towards other goals, forms of lifting, and activities. Many other athletic facilities can train and teach on the merits of their methods without disparaging another discipline in the process.[/quote]
I’ve told countless people about Crossfitting and that each program etc has a designed purpose. It is unfortunate that they do not have a open mind about other training methods believing its Crossfit or nothing.
There are so much negative publicity from people like us but IF it were done right to a standard it would be a great program. I watched a Crossfit demonstration on YouTube on the clean and snatch and it matched well to other videos that were pure Olympic lifting demonstrations.
Again, I think there is a hit and miss with trainers in the Crossfitting world. What boggles my mind is clearly pregnant women kipping on pullups and watching others fall off bars from kipping. THAT is fucked up.
Bodybuilders care about what muscle they are contracting
Powerlifters care about most amount of weight lifted
Crossfitters care about work done in the shortest amount of time
All have a purpose and their own end goal.
EDIT: But the original post isn’t about Crossfit but Glassman and his stupidity in that post. It makes Crossfit look even more worse than what has already been talked about.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Tate’s remarks concerning the FB status (the link’s above, but I figured I’d just paste it up for those who can’t view images at their workplace).
"I take the “Fraud” comment as an insult.
I have spent most of my life studying training theory and methodology and have spent thousands of hours of my life reading and researching everything and anything that deals with strength development including a degree in the field.
I guess ALL those THOUSANDS of hours I have spent (as many other trainers, lifters and coaches)and the THOUSANDS of hours training myself and others are all worthless and yielded zero education and experience and thus I’m a fraud.
Would I still be the same “Fraud” if I had a crossfit certification?
I work, live, and cater to a niche market made up of those who place training as one of their top 4 priorities and would not trade it for anything!
It is statements like these that make me thankful for staying true to this market and out of the general fitness and sporting goods market.
If you have any comments we have this posted on our facebook page (there is an icon at the top of this page that will take you right there).
I usually don’t post shit like this but this one pissed me off because it is extremely disrespectful to pretty much every coach and trainer I know. "
- Dave Tate
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Glad Dave Tate posted this.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Tate’s remarks concerning the FB status (the link’s above, but I figured I’d just paste it up for those who can’t view images at their workplace).
"I take the “Fraud” comment as an insult.
I have spent most of my life studying training theory and methodology and have spent thousands of hours of my life reading and researching everything and anything that deals with strength development including a degree in the field.
I guess ALL those THOUSANDS of hours I have spent (as many other trainers, lifters and coaches)and the THOUSANDS of hours training myself and others are all worthless and yielded zero education and experience and thus I’m a fraud.
Would I still be the same “Fraud” if I had a crossfit certification?
I work, live, and cater to a niche market made up of those who place training as one of their top 4 priorities and would not trade it for anything!
It is statements like these that make me thankful for staying true to this market and out of the general fitness and sporting goods market.
If you have any comments we have this posted on our facebook page (there is an icon at the top of this page that will take you right there).
I usually don’t post shit like this but this one pissed me off because it is extremely disrespectful to pretty much every coach and trainer I know. "
- Dave Tate
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Glad Dave Tate posted this.[/quote]
Yeah, what Glassman said were fighting words. I wonder what the repercussions of his statement will be aside from nasty rebuttals from well respected coaches.
I’m really mindfucked by his comment. He begins with a claim that programming is not derived from scientific principles. But his last statement gives the very definition of scientific practice…extracting trends based off of trials and applying the scientific method. What am I missing?
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I’m really mindfucked by his comment. He begins with a claim that programming is not derived from scientific principles. But his last statement gives the very definition of scientific practice…extracting trends based off of trials and applying the scientific method. What am I missing? [/quote]
Yep, you are quite right. Most people don’t understand what the term “science” actually refers to and hence often use it in retarded ways. Not surprising, since most people are dumb.
Whether the guy truly believes this statement or not, it’s certain to have some negative backlash, even from his own cult, uh, I mean followers.
I’ll admit to have known some fairly smart, and definitely solidly built Crossfitters (although the guys were all either former athletes, or former bodybuilders, so they already had considerable muscle), but the seemingly widespread unsafe application of tried and true exercises, and somewhat negative attitude from so many practitioners hasn’t really earned it the most favorable reputation.
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The worst part about this is how some of my FB friends jump on the cross-fit bandwagon then post stories & pictures about how hardcore they train everyday.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
CrossFit has convinced many women to lift weights and not be scared of “getting too big.” And for that, I thank them. [/quote]
What’s that saying… Crossfit makes women hot and men small -lol
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This really needs to be a T-shirt.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
CrossFit has convinced many women to lift weights and not be scared of “getting too big.” And for that, I thank them. [/quote]
And at the same time convinced lots of men that bodybuilding is bad and ‘not functional’.
I’ll give more credit and thanks to Nike and their newer ad campains for women
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Yeah thats not a Nike ad , you think Nike would spell Ambassador wrong?
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I don’t understand why crossfit gets so much hate. It gets people in shape, and that’s something society could use more of.
Not everyone wants to be big and muscular, some people just like torturing themselves with metcon stuff. Don’t really understand it myself but different people like different things.
Sure people get injured doing it, but people get injured doing all sorts of shit. Every powerlifter I know has injured themselves at some point, but for some reason crossfit is always criticised for causing injury whereas in powerlifting it’s just sort of accepted.[/quote]
Difference is that powerlifters are doing it to be competitive. Just like competitive CF’ers will face injury. It’s the nature of sport. People training for health, or to supplement other sports, should not face injury in the gym. From all the coaches I’ve ever seen using programs based around the powerlifts for general fitness, there has never been an injury.