[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
Am I making sense, or should I just let the others carry on?
No. You are not nor did you ever. Just digging into what you clearly don’t understand. Way over your head. You’re just really butthurt about being silenced like the little cheerleader you were being.
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Pretty bold statement saying that I have never made sense. Not quite sure how one would function with that being so.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
Am I making sense, or should I just let the others carry on?
You are making sense. I appreciate your thought out replies and the sense of discussion rather than just bashing out an argument.
You are right in that there needs to be more questions about what makes steroids such monsters that they need to be criminalized.
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Thanks for one. And I suppose it’s the bad publicity really that makes steroids equated with terrible roid rage and criminal actions.
Don’t quote me, but I doubt there were any really public events where the pill was pinned as the terrible monster like steroids have been.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
Am I making sense, or should I just let the others carry on?
You are making sense. I appreciate your thought out replies and the sense of discussion rather than just bashing out an argument.
You are right in that there needs to be more questions about what makes steroids such monsters that they need to be criminalized.
Thanks for one. And I suppose it’s the bad publicity really that makes steroids equated with terrible roid rage and criminal actions.
Don’t quote me, but I doubt there were any really public events where the pill was pinned as the terrible monster like steroids have been.[/quote]
Oh there were protests and outcries over the Pill. The whole Sexual Revolution thing, but this thread isn’t about the Pill.
Look to why steroids shouldn’t be illegal. I am anti-government deciding a personal choice for me.
without mentioning any names here, i think there is a reason why good arguments never involve personal attacks or name-calling. that reason being that it makes the offender seem more juvenile, and therefore less credible.
the argument becomes less of an argument and more just personal attacks. then people are much less likely to look at the subject from the other point of view.
thats just my two cents.
to anybody who disagrees, you can suck my dick you motherfuckers… eh just kiddin 
[quote]ktennies wrote:
without mentioning any names here, i think there is a reason why good arguments never involve personal attacks or name-calling. that reason being that it makes the offender seem more juvenile, and therefore less credible.
the argument becomes less of an argument and more just personal attacks. then people are much less likely to look at the subject from the other point of view.
thats just my two cents.
to anybody who disagrees, you can suck my dick you motherfuckers… eh just kiddin :)[/quote]
you low-rent Vince Vaughn looking wanna be!
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
While I understand the plight here with regards to steroid use, and the legality of it…I really think that comparing birth control and steroids, while you may think is apples to apples, is very much apples to oranges.
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I may not agree with the fashion Molotov is using to make her point, but I do have to agree with her for the most part. I’m currently using AAS and probably will use for a long time. I agree with the reasons why juice should be legalized, and I wish it was legal. But this whole argument is silly.
Granted, the pill may be hormone therapy in it’s true form. But the reason for it’s use is population control. The reason for illegal AAS use usually comes down to vanity. Pure and simple. If a person has a true need for test they can go on TRT. But we’re not really fighting for TRT seeing as most of us don’t even need it yet.
TRT may not be widely accepted yet, but it’s coming around. The few doctors that prescribe it only do so when there’s a true medical need. Again, most of us are doing AS out of sheer vanity.
Yes, the pill has sides. AAS has sides. Phen phen had sides. But out of all three, the pill has a genuine purpose in society; which is why it’s legal.
As I said, I use AAS and I like it. But still, you can’t compare the two.
JMO anyways.
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I’m spittin’ blood here Rocky…really …powerful crazy menstrual blood![/quote]
Hawt?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Please state your background in endocrinology as well as the research you have done that qualifies you to make this judgment.
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Let me rephrase that. Most of us don’t seem to be seeking TRT. True, I don’t have a degree but would I be wrong to assume that the influx of teens in the steroids forum looking to get “swole” are not suffering from low test? An adult will post their blood test results and their levels aren’t near the gutter. I’m not referring to only this forum btw.
Then there’s the countless cycle logs. How many take pictures, give measurements, weights, etc? I can go on, but you know what I’m talking about. So these are people that want/need TRT? People that are hoping to add 20+ lbs of lean mass and 100+ pounds to their squat?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Do you realize you contradicted yourself within three sentences?
“If a person has a true need for test they can go on TRT” followed by “few doctors (that) prescribe it.”
Now if there are few doctors that prescribe it then how-da-hell easy is it going to be for a person with a true need for test to go on it?
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When I say “few” I don’t literally mean a handful. I opened the paragraph with “TRT may not be widely accepted yet”. I said few since I can’t say “all docs” or anything near that. Just a figure of speech if you will.
You can sit here and argue with me all you want. There’s a difference between most AAS users and TRT patients. You know what I’m saying whether you want to admit it or not.
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Please state your background in endocrinology as well as the research you have done that qualifies you to make this judgment.
Let me rephrase that. Most of us don’t seem to be seeking TRT. True, I don’t have a degree but would I be wrong to assume that the influx of teens in the steroids forum looking to get “swole” are not suffering from low test? An adult will post their blood test results and their levels aren’t near the gutter. I’m not referring to only this forum btw.
Then there’s the countless cycle logs. How many take pictures, give measurements, weights, etc? I can go on, but you know what I’m talking about. So these are people that want/need TRT? People that are hoping to add 20+ lbs of lean mass and 100+ pounds to their squat?
pushharder wrote:
Do you realize you contradicted yourself within three sentences?
“If a person has a true need for test they can go on TRT” followed by “few doctors (that) prescribe it.”
Now if there are few doctors that prescribe it then how-da-hell easy is it going to be for a person with a true need for test to go on it?
When I say “few” I don’t literally mean a handful. I opened the paragraph with “TRT may not be widely accepted yet”. I said few since I can’t say “all docs” or anything near that. Just a figure of speech if you will.
You can sit here and argue with me all you want. There’s a difference between most AAS users and TRT patients. You know what I’m saying whether you want to admit it or not.[/quote]
A woman can walk into any plastic surgeon’s office and ask for bigger boobs and she may just be fit into the schedule within the hour if the paper work is filled out quickly enough.
Please, tell me the justification for there not being the same attitude towards hormones and aesthetics when it comes to men?
If a physician is in charge of the treatment, why is it any concern of anyone else other than the doctor and the patient?
Yet, that is not how things are currently. Doctors are under so much scrutiny now when it even comes to ANY testosterone prescriptions that most simply avoid it completely. The stigma attached is WHY there are blackmarket drugs in control of the scene currently. Authorities are completely ignoring patient confidentiality whenever there is a search of some clinic. That is why we get names thrown into the media of famous people using them even though they did so legally by seeing a doctor.
There would be less teenagers even getting their hands on it if there was no stigma attached and you simply had to visit the doctor’s office. Once again, the “war on drugs” and the anti-steroid hysteria is what creates most of the problems here all by itself.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
A woman can walk into any plastic surgeon’s office and ask for bigger boobs and she may just be fit into the schedule within the hour if the paper work is filled out quickly enough.
Please, tell me the justification for there not being the same attitude towards hormones and aesthetics when it comes to men?
If a physician is in charge of the treatment, why is it any concern of anyone else other than the doctor and the patient?
Yet, that is not how things are currently. Doctors are under so much scrutiny now when it even comes to ANY testosterone prescriptions that most simply avoid it completely. The stigma attached is WHY there are blackmarket drugs in control of the scene currently. Authorities are completely ignoring patient confidentiality whenever there is a search of some clinic. That is why we get names thrown into the media of famous people using them even though they did so legally by seeing a doctor.
There would be less teenagers even getting their hands on it if there was no stigma attached and you simply had to visit the doctor’s office. Once again, the “war on drugs” and the anti-steroid hysteria is what creates most of the problems here all by itself.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I totally agree. I WANT it legalized. But the reality is that it’s just not going to happen anytime soon.
Sadly, this is how the world works. AAS has a bad rap. Anytime something is deemed dangerous they pull it off the shelf. Unless of course the benefit outweighs the risk; ie the pill.
People are more scared of steroid’s health affects than cocaine’s.
Its true, if you told someone you did coke now and again they wouldn’t think too much of it, if you told them you cycled a few times a year they would flip.
People fear what they do not understand.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Molotov, now that I’ve popped you between your crossed eyes I understand that you are a single parent of a child. Seriously and sincerely, get some help. You’ve got serious problems and I’m not necessarily referring to your posts on this thread.
And don’t go chase down your idea of S. Freud. Get some real counseling.
Also, don’t fool yourself into thinking you’re the 21st century T-Nation Joan of Arc.
For those of the rest of you who are encountering this woman for the first time here on this thread, don’t be misled. She is a basketcase. I don’t know if its mushrooms or meth or just plain old fashioned depression but she is messed up. In the head. Take a look at her post history if you don’t believe me.[/quote]
Lol You have all the impact of a gnat. Now you’ve gone on this pathetic crusade of wannabe defamation. You know absolutely fuck all about me. I’m the ‘queen of drama’ and yet we get all this, because you can’t man up and admit you’re wrong. What a bitch. You can smear all the bullshit you want, but in my opinion it makes you look a hell of a lot worse than me.
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Sadly, this is how the world works. AAS has a bad rap. Anytime something is deemed dangerous they pull it off the shelf. Unless of course the benefit outweighs the risk; ie the pill.[/quote]
I don’t know where this got off track - oh wait, yes I do. It was when the psycho bitch posted.
Taking the pill is a choice. It was never designed to cure any malady. It was developed to prevent pregnancy. That’s it. But make no mistake - it is hormone therapy - or hormone manipulation.
If anyone cares to actually read what was originally written about the pill in this thread, the outrage was over doctors prescribing hormone therapy to prepubescent girls, while at the same time refusing to script test for adult males.
There are very very few doctors who will even consider male HRT.
If women want the convenience of not having to worry about getting pregnant, or to only have 1 period every year then the pill is a very nice choice available to them.
But to put the pill on a pedestal as if it has saved our society would be giving estrogen WAY too much credit. It is a choice of convenience, which is a choice men do not have in this country without the threat of jail time.
This has been an enlightening thread, gentlemen (and ladies). Like Jeh-fit and others, I have opened my mind about the supposed wrongness of steroid use- there have been some very good articles and other threads about it on this site which have made me realize my ignorance on the issue and biases.
At first I thought comparing steroid use to birth control was an apples to oranges thing too, but I think all of Prof X’s posts have quite a valid point.
Hormone therapy for women is far too easy to get imo. My sister was given the pill when she was 11 years old because her docs thought that “regulating her hormones and periods” might keep her from getting migraine headaches.
I knew girls in my class growing up who went on the pill as early as 13. I’ve experienced CRAZY side effects (including almost TOTAL loss of libido, rage-like outburts reminiscent of Molotov, and majorly increased appetite which was a constant battle to not give in to and gain weight) on 2 forms of birth control- the shot especially.
I wish I would have educated myself on what all these different hormone therapies have been doing to me for the last 9 years, but to be honest 99% of the women I have known who are not trying to get pregnant have been on some form of hormonal birth control,
and I have always taken it for granted that it was the necessary and smart thing to do, and that every woman takes it, and never occurred to me to stop taking it and see what happens.
An article in the old MWA was the impetus to start really researching and start experimenting with what my body would actually do without extra hormones in it.
By the way, it’s only been a 4 months off any sort of pill or hormonal bc, but I feel really grounded, and all that mumbo jumbo docs have told me for years about “well it will help regulate your period so you’ll get it at the same time every month like you’re supposed to, and we can also help control your acne” seems to me completely unneccessary.
Learning how to eat healthier and just consume good fats has made my skin clearer than it’s ever been in my life. And it seems that my body regulates itself fairly well on its own- I wonder why we women keep hearing this “regulate it” mantra all our lives.
It seems docs can’t wait to give me estrogen! I wonder if pills might be pushed on us for the same reasons docs push any other brand of pharmaceuticals on patients- money. I am glad I’m so much more aware of these things now.
I know this thread is about steroids and not the pill, but I’m just throwing out my personal experience to add to the arguments presented here about women getting access to potentially health-harming hormones far too easily while men don’t seem to have those options.
And yes, I could get estrogen to make my boobs bigger if I wanted, but you guys can’t have the equivalent. It sucks. So the complaints of the gentlemen in here do seem valid to me. More options should be available to you guys.