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[quote]rainjack wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
rainjack wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
OG- how many states have you tried to buy a vibrator in to find that out? :stuck_out_tongue:

Well as of this year, Texas just struck down the ban on the sale of vibrators so I am up to 48.

Alabama and Virgina here I come.

I will have a full set before I die

I don’t know where you are shopping in Texas, but we bought our first one 17 years ago, and have never had any trouble buying them since then.

February 14, 2008, 10:50 am
A Valentine�??s gift: Vibrator sales legalized in Texas
Just in time for Valentine�??s Day, a 2-1 majority of the Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has struck down a Texas law that banned sales of vibrators and other sex toys. The court found that the law violated the Fourteenth Amendment �??substantive due process�?? rights of Texans �??to engage in private intimate conduct without government intrusion.�??

(here is the link to the full article)
http://legalpad.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/02/14/a-valentines-gift-vibrator-sales-legalized-in-texas/

rainjack you wild man… Jana is my new hero

Evidently the law was rarely enforced, as I have purchased these things from Abilene to Amarillo for years with no problems whatsoever.
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RJ, what kind of roadtrip were you on and when is the next one?

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squats and milk

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

woah woah woah

  1. I can say for certainty not all 11/12 year old girls are getting Pill.

  2. Why shouldn’t I use the Pill (I am not on the Pill) as a woman if I want to as currently it is legal and available? Trying to criminalize my birth control is not legalizing your steroids. And do you know what they call folks who use the rhythym method? PARENTS

  3. Both parties, or the gangbangers engaging in sex, should be seeing to the issue of birth control. Some women prefer the Pill.

Your arguments are reading to me as if you think the Pill should be criminalized the same as steroids. HRT is available to men although I am learning, with some difficulty.

So if you have a medical need for steroids you have a legal right to procure a script. It may be hard, so are a lot of medical procedures and scripts.

I don’t care about steroids. I do not like the tone of somehow us women are getting handed an easy life because we are preventing unwanted pregnancies. The Pill is legal, why shouldn’t we avail ourselves of a legal remedy? If you folks want to use that as a stepping stone to legalizing steroids, more power to you. But don’t suggest the Pill should be criminalized since you aren’t getting your way.

They have a male birth control Pill but there is no market, I wouldn’t trust a man to say he was on it or remembered to take it anyways.

Sorry if I’m coming off in a negative way. I was just pissed because Molotov is extremely aggressive and I feel I didn’t warrant it.

But when you say criminalizing the pill, aren’t steroids associated with criminal activities and such? I speak from a position of no experience, but don’t the pill and steroids both affect hormones? I guess in my post’s I was just trying to say that IF they both affect the same thing, why are they distributed differently? [/quote]

I didn’t think you meant that I was just wanting some clarity.

I can only guess about steroids, but I would imagine most of it is due to ignorance, and folks seeing it as cheating. They think you take steroids and you become the hulk and the roid rage and that it will kill young men and make men of women. But those are just guesses.

My ignorant opinion is that if a person wants to go on steroids they should be able to obtain them from a physician.

I have not read the arguments relating to why steroids are illegal. Not the ones published with the decision in any case.

I always wondered if sports franchises had a hand in things, but that is just the cynic in me.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I didn’t think you meant that I was just wanting some clarity.

I can only guess about steroids, but I would imagine most of it is due to ignorance, and folks seeing it as cheating. They think you take steroids and you become the hulk and the roid rage and that it will kill young men and make men of women. But those are just guesses.

My ignorant opinion is that if a person wants to go on steroids they should be able to obtain them from a physician.

I have not read the arguments relating to why steroids are illegal. Not the ones published with the decision in any case.

I always wondered if sports franchises had a hand in things, but that is just the cynic in me.
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Just wanted to note this, so in effect, people from both side’s view the other as “cheating”. As you said, some people think that the pill is cheating and gives women a free pass. And on the opposite side, people believe that using steroids is cheating and will result in unfair “explosive” growth.

So in my expert opinion, it would seem that there should be some middle ground here. Both side’s see the other as cheating, so why not accept that they are a persons personal choice to live the life they desire. As long as a person is informed of all the potential side affect’s of using either of these substances, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be made equally available to those wanting to take them.

And as for the people who don’t believe in either steroids or the pill…I’ve got nothing. :smiley:

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Just wanted to note this, so in effect, people from both side’s view the other as “cheating”. As you said, some people think that the pill is cheating and gives women a free pass. And on the opposite side, people believe that using steroids is cheating and will result in unfair “explosive” growth.
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Wait a second, how is the pill cheating? I know you aren’t necessarily saying that’s what you think, but can you please explain that?

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Just wanted to note this, so in effect, people from both side’s view the other as “cheating”. As you said, some people think that the pill is cheating and gives women a free pass. And on the opposite side, people believe that using steroids is cheating and will result in unfair “explosive” growth.

So in my expert opinion, it would seem that there should be some middle ground here. Both side’s see the other as cheating, so why not accept that they are a persons personal choice to live the life they desire. As long as a person is informed of all the potential side affect’s of using either of these substances, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be made equally available to those wanting to take them.

And as for the people who don’t believe in either steroids or the pill…I’ve got nothing. :D[/quote]

the Pill is not cheating. I don’t know of any other man that has expressed that sentiment. If that is your opinion, please expand on that, but own it as your own. Even the Pill is not 100% effective and it doesn’t protect from STDs and it comes with risks.

I am not the person you need to convince, and I don’t think your argument is a winner. Yah, don’t use that as a lead in for your argument for legalizing steroids.

I will agree it’s a personal choice. As I mentioned, I don’t get the voodoo logic of what the government legislates sometimes.

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Hormone therapy is a choice, the choice between having a child and not having a child. It is not the equivalent of big muscles and bigger muscles. Just because they are both choices, doesn’t make them the same regardless of motivation.

Says who? You? Pardon me, but who fucking asked you? Hormone therapy is the lazy way out. It is hormone therapy out of convenience and nothing more.

This is what I said - since you couldn’t be bothered to read the fucking posts first instead of launching into a premenstrual Helen Gurley Brown tirade: It’s not that at all. If an adult woman wants to take hormones to protect against pregnancy, that his her choice.

Who in the fuck made you the judge? Have you ever suffered from low testosterone? No? Then shut the fuck up.

I don’t agree with girls of 11 or 12 taking the pill, and I wouldn’t agree with boys of that age taking steroids…obviously.

At what age is it safe to put girls on hormones?

If you are in here bitching about the pill, I suggest you don’t even start. It is ironic as hell to me that most ppl in here bitching about the pill are also the same fuckers that wont shut the fuck up about pro- life stances. So what do you want assholes? We can’t take a pill to prevent it, because you think its unfair. We can’t abort if we don’t wish it, because you think it’s inhumane. What can we do… besides call you all god and get it over with. Never going to happen motherfuckers. Never.

I suggest you find the photo of someone pinning a fucking badge on your chest - because I don’t remember anyone appointing you the fucking sheriff.

Pro-Life has nothing to do with hormones. How about not fucking like a god damned rabbit? How about squeezing your fucking knees together? How about making sure your partner exercises a little responsibility? No. You’d rather act like the fucking pill was the miracle drug.

As it stands now, you can do whatever the fuck you want to do, so shut the fuck up about the pro-lifers. That is a straw man if there ever was one.

This is about a man’s right to take steroids, and the hypocrisy of the doctors and the lawmakers.

I am the fucking sheriff. Who told you I wasn’t? You got one thing in that whole dick speech right, and that’s …I can do whatever the fuck I want to do. If you want to act like every 12 year old girl on the planet is getting a prescription to the pill to make your case, be my guest. It’s pathetic.

Don’t fuck like a rabbit? Saying things like this just makes you look like a man with more issues than a news stand pal. Keep my fucking knees together? Why don’t you put your shriveled ego back up your ass and quit talking out of it.

It’s stupid as hell that people are acting like there is no agenda here. What do you think would be the result of women not being able to take the pill? You know, the ‘easy’ way out of not being knocked up. I’m pretty goddamn sure it would be far more detrimental to society as a whole than the unavailability of legal steroids. The one solution that was made to a fucking horrible problem of unwanted children and cyclical poverty, is being shit on all over the place here, and for WHAT. Your fucking right to 18 inch fucking guns.

You can call it hypocrisy, you can call it whatever the hell you want. So sorry you can’t make your case. The bottom line is, it’s just not as important. It hurts, but the truth always does.[/quote]

@Buckeye girl - This is where I got the “pill is considered cheating” from. While I know it does not specifically say cheating, it has been considered the “Easy way out” and also the "lazy approach to birth control(from what I’ve read on this thread-proper term may be “extremely convenient”))

From what I gather, the pill is considered “cheating” due to the fact that it allows women to have sex at will, instead of them having to “stick by the rule’s of nature”. May also be considered “cheating” men by allowing women to take hormone level altering drugs, while men cannot.

Now, I have no clue if that make’s any sense. That’s just what I gathered to be why people may consider the pill “cheating”.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
the Pill is not cheating. I don’t know of any other man that has expressed that sentiment. If that is your opinion, please expand on that, but own it as your own. Even the Pill is not 100% effective and it doesn’t protect from STDs and it comes with risks.

I am not the person you need to convince, and I don’t think your argument is a winner. Yah, don’t use that as a lead in for your argument for legalizing steroids.

I will agree it’s a personal choice. As I mentioned, I don’t get the voodoo logic of what the government legislates sometimes.
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I never thought the pill was cheating, and I personally don’t need steroids or T at the moment. (15yr old, don’t needem and will likely never use’m) When I had said the pill was considered cheating, that was my way of describing the anti-pill sentiment that some people adhere to.

Not trying to convince anyone really, just throwing my comment’s out there and clarifying them so that they are not mis-interpreted. The only thing I’m saying is that if one type of hormone is available to the public, then I’m not sure why another one isn’t.

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[quote]ktennies wrote:
squats and milk[/quote]

LOL!

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
@Buckeye girl - This is where I got the “pill is considered cheating” from. While I know it does not specifically say cheating, it has been considered the “Easy way out” and also the "lazy approach to birth control(from what I’ve read on this thread-proper term may be “extremely convenient”))

From what I gather, the pill is considered “cheating” due to the fact that it allows women to have sex at will, instead of them having to “stick by the rule’s of nature”. May also be considered “cheating” men by allowing women to take hormone level altering drugs, while men cannot.

Now, I have no clue if that make’s any sense. That’s just what I gathered to be why people may consider the pill “cheating”.[/quote]

RebornTN, when you read that post again does it still seem like a sound argument?

Women and men can have sex at will… it’s not a shot of cholorform or a blow up doll. Birth Control is a responsibility for all involved.

why not focus on why steroids should be legal instead of trying to defame an already legal product?

and so you know, there is no animosity in my post. I just think saying the Pill is “cheating” is a weak argument, really a non-argument.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
RebornTN, when you read that post again does it still seem like a sound argument?

Women and men can have sex at will… it’s not a shot of cholorform or a blow up doll. Birth Control is a responsibility for all involved.

why not focus on why steroids should be legal instead of trying to defame an already legal product?

and so you know, there is no animosity in my post. I just think saying the Pill is “cheating” is a weak argument, really a non-argument.
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Doesn’t sound like a sound argument to me at all, never meant it to really. I guess I’m coming off sounding like that, but it’s probably due to my lack of grace when framing a post. My whole comment on cheating was due to you saying-

I was agreeing with how many people (including my family) will simply label steroids as cheating. And then how in my opinion, other people on the thread were considering the pill cheating (which I elaborated on in a previous post). My whole cheating “argument” was just pointing out that there is a lot of finger pointing and cheater calling going on.

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
@Buckeye girl - This is where I got the “pill is considered cheating” from. While I know it does not specifically say cheating, it has been considered the “Easy way out” and also the "lazy approach to birth control(from what I’ve read on this thread-proper term may be “extremely convenient”))

From what I gather, the pill is considered “cheating” due to the fact that it allows women to have sex at will, instead of them having to “stick by the rule’s of nature”. May also be considered “cheating” men by allowing women to take hormone level altering drugs, while men cannot.

Now, I have no clue if that make’s any sense. That’s just what I gathered to be why people may consider the pill “cheating”.[/quote]

I believe that “easy way out” comment by molotov was sarcastic.

And man that considers the pill a lazy approach to BC or an easy way out is either ridiculously prude, or bitter.

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Am I making sense, or should I just let the others carry on?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
imhungry wrote:
You guys can say and think about Moltov however way you want, agree or disagree with her, (I happen to agree with her to a large extent) but, she’s taking on a lot of you guys, and holding her own pretty damn good. She deserves respect.

And, I have to admit, with her fire and balls, that at the end of the day i’d want her on my side.

Sorry, friend, she deserves no respect here. She waded on to this thread spouting irrational, unintelligent, irrelevant shit full of personal, unilateral vitriol when none had been made towards her. She took an intelligently discussed thread and turned it into just another vat of hate.

She doesn’t have fire and balls. She has a fat mouth. I’ve seen her on this site before posting while she is apparently high as a kite. And by the way, don’t confuse Dr. Strangelove kookiness with scrappy combativeness. She is nothing more than a sad, depressed sap with some serious psychological problems.

If you agree with her calling my wife and friends the names she called them in her opening salvo then you and I can part ways right now as internet friends, bud.[/quote]

I agree with this statement fully (though, we were never really internet buds lol). But in my opinion, Molotov came onto this thread and brought a lot of unnecessary hostility. They did not take the time to read people’s posts, instead just lobbing everyone into whatever category suited them (this is particularly evident in her seeming hatred towards men- which she seems to have had an experience in which a man controlled or attempted to control her, and now has issues with authority of all kinds).

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Am I making sense, or should I just let the others carry on?[/quote]

No. You are not nor did you ever. Just digging into what you clearly don’t understand. Way over your head. You’re just really butthurt about being silenced like the little cheerleader you were being.

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Am I making sense, or should I just let the others carry on?[/quote]

You are making sense. I appreciate your thought out replies and the sense of discussion rather than just bashing out an argument.

You are right in that there needs to be more questions about what makes steroids such monsters that they need to be criminalized.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
imhungry wrote:
You guys can say and think about Moltov however way you want, agree or disagree with her, (I happen to agree with her to a large extent) but, she’s taking on a lot of you guys, and holding her own pretty damn good. She deserves respect.

And, I have to admit, with her fire and balls, that at the end of the day i’d want her on my side.

Sorry, friend, she deserves no respect here. She waded on to this thread spouting irrational, unintelligent, irrelevant shit full of personal, unilateral vitriol when none had been made towards her. She took an intelligently discussed thread and turned it into just another vat of hate.

She doesn’t have fire and balls. She has a fat mouth. I’ve seen her on this site before posting while she is apparently high as a kite. And by the way, don’t confuse Dr. Strangelove kookiness with scrappy combativeness. She is nothing more than a sad, depressed sap with some serious psychological problems.

If you agree with her calling my wife and friends the names she called them in her opening salvo then you and I can part ways right now as internet friends, bud.[/quote]

Astonishing analysis Sigmund Freud. Why not let people form opinions for themselves instead of blackmailing them into adopting yours and threatening ‘internet friendship withdrawal’. Lame ass. Personally, I don’t give a hell about your uneducated estimation of who you ‘think’ I am.

Words. On. A. Screen.

You’d think you could just run along to some pirate orgy or something and get over it already.