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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Shadow Hunter36 wrote:

Sadly, this is how the world works. AAS has a bad rap. Anytime something is deemed dangerous they pull it off the shelf. Unless of course the benefit outweighs the risk; ie the pill.

I don’t know where this got off track - oh wait, yes I do. It was when the psycho bitch posted.

Taking the pill is a choice. It was never designed to cure any malady. It was developed to prevent pregnancy. That’s it. But make no mistake - it is hormone therapy - or hormone manipulation.

If anyone cares to actually read what was originally written about the pill in this thread, the outrage was over doctors prescribing hormone therapy to prepubescent girls, while at the same time refusing to script test for adult males.

There are very very few doctors who will even consider male HRT.

If women want the convenience of not having to worry about getting pregnant, or to only have 1 period every year then the pill is a very nice choice available to them.

But to put the pill on a pedestal as if it has saved our society would be giving estrogen WAY too much credit. It is a choice of convenience, which is a choice men do not have in this country without the threat of jail time.

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Well said. Women have their first choice in whether they choose to have sex or not. The pill is simply a great way for there to be less consequences in the one biological act that almost guarantees consequences.

It has slowly become a “have sex for free” card. It is still hormone manipulation that simply has a rosier reputation than the use of male hormones on males.

Mind you, as one other poster wrote, Benoit apparently had chronic head trauma leading to the murders of his family yet there is no doubt that most of society will forever think of it as being “roid rage”.

It is pathetic how loosely some people grasp reality just so they can sit back and have their own opinions force fed to them through the TV.

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[quote]theAnj wrote:
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That “regulate it” mantra never made sense to me. I’ve experienced something like 8 years of pill free periods and have never been more than a day or two off of schedule. Maybe I’ve just been lucky but the concern to regulate it just seems silly.

Docs do seem very eager to write a prescription for the pill, though. The last time I went in, I expressed interest in going on and it seemed like that was enough for him to whip out his little prescription pad and write one out…and, I don’t think that it’s fair that men have to jump through hoops to get HRT when they have a legitimate medical reason to do so (but still don’t really agree with the “women can get estrogen easily, so we should be able to get test for big muscles” argument. Yes, you guys should be able to take it legally, but the popularity of the pill is not the reason why)

And, I think that theAnj made a good point about money and marketing come into play with the pill, along with many other drugs. It seems that multiple ads for the pill, patch, etc can be found in women’s magazines. “Talk to your doctor about X” We are being told that its something we have to have, and I’m sure that doctors are hearing similar things from drug companies.

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
If she chooses to take birth control then she’s taking charge of her own body, which means she is not allowing herself to be a victim. Understand?

You mean she doesnt have any control over whether or not the penis she is CHOOSING to put into her body has a condom on it or not?

I use both genius.
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Confucius say If children you want none, better do it in the bum.

Only two more days, bring on the NFL Football 2008 season.

Peace,

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
imhungry wrote:
You guys can say and think about Moltov however way you want, agree or disagree with her, (I happen to agree with her to a large extent) but, she’s taking on a lot of you guys, and holding her own pretty damn good. She deserves respect.

And, I have to admit, with her fire and balls, that at the end of the day i’d want her on my side.

Sorry, friend, she deserves no respect here. She waded on to this thread spouting irrational, unintelligent, irrelevant shit full of personal, unilateral vitriol when none had been made towards her. She took an intelligently discussed thread and turned it into just another vat of hate.

She doesn’t have fire and balls. She has a fat mouth. I’ve seen her on this site before posting while she is apparently high as a kite.

And by the way, don’t confuse Dr. Strangelove kookiness with scrappy combativeness. She is nothing more than a sad, depressed sap with some serious psychological problems.

If you agree with her calling my wife and friends the names she called them in her opening salvo then you and I can part ways right now as internet friends, bud.[/quote]

Listen Push, I would never condone name calling, especially someones wife, that’s just wrong, plain and simple. This thread has gone beyond any real reasoning, and become a cluster fuck of emotions and aggression.

In all honesty, I didn’t see that she had called your girlfriends, or wife a cunt.

There’s too many ways where this thread went wrong, and so many ways to look at this “discussion”, but i’m not the best typest, nor am I the fastest, so I didn’t have the patience to point out everything that I agreed and disagreed with.

What I was commenting on was just my observation of MC, and the ballsiness of her posts. I didn’t say that I agreed on her approach, especially being on the defense from the first post.

It was mainly directed at the intensity she was putting behind her posts. A few of the guys were being just as defensive, but at the same time, they had good points as well, just as she did.

In my opinion, this thread should either get back on track, or just die.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

And, I think that theAnj made a good point about money and marketing come into play with the pill, along with many other drugs. It seems that multiple ads for the pill, patch, etc can be found in women’s magazines. “Talk to your doctor about X” We are being told that its something we have to have, and I’m sure that doctors are hearing similar things from drug companies.

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I agree. Bear in mind that the pill has fiscal appeal for the government, too. Less unwanted/abused/neglected kids to take care of. Safe, effective birth control saves Uncle Sam money. That puts the conservatives in bed with the feminists (for some good old-fashioned consequence-free fun!).

HRT, for either gender, doesn’t have that benefit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well said. Women have their first choice in whether they choose to have sex or not. The pill is simply a great way for there to be less consequences in the one biological act that almost guarantees consequences.

It has slowly become a “have sex for free” card. It is still hormone manipulation that simply has a rosier reputation than the use of male hormones on males.

Mind you, as one other poster wrote, Benoit apparently had chronic head trauma leading to the murders of his family yet there is no doubt that most of society will forever think of it as being “roid rage”.

It is pathetic how loosely some people grasp reality just so they can sit back and have their own opinions force fed to them through the TV.[/quote]

The Pill is not a universal “have sex for free” card. It is an option available to women that is legally available to women.

Being on the Pill isn’t without risks.

I’ve never used it to relieve a problem menstrual cycle so let’s stop making it sound as if women are just buying these from a vending machine with no thought behind their actions.

I don’t know of any woman that is that cavalier about taking the Pill. We really have a different group of folks to know. Women are aware of the risks of regulating their hormones and potential medical problems down the road.

There is a difference between buying boobs and being on steroids. Men can and do buy pec, bicep, calf and other implants. It is available to you. You can make an appointment and maybe be seen that day.

I don’t think you need to convince the folks on this board that anyone should be allowed to have the personal freedom to make an informed choice to use steroids while under a qualified physician’s care.

I am seeing this thread as preaching to the choir

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Taking the pill is a choice. It was never designed to cure any malady. It was developed to prevent pregnancy. That’s it. But make no mistake - it is hormone therapy - or hormone manipulation.

If anyone cares to actually read what was originally written about the pill in this thread, the outrage was over doctors prescribing hormone therapy to prepubescent girls, while at the same time refusing to script test for adult males.

There are very very few doctors who will even consider male HRT.

If women want the convenience of not having to worry about getting pregnant, or to only have 1 period every year then the pill is a very nice choice available to them.

But to put the pill on a pedestal as if it has saved our society would be giving estrogen WAY too much credit. It is a choice of convenience, which is a choice men do not have in this country without the threat of jail time.

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Yes, the pill is a choice. A choice between different contraceptive methods. Birth control was developed to prevent pregnancy; and nothing more. There are little to no extra benefits to the user.

I see your point regarding the prepubescent girls. But we need to face reality. Those girls are going to have sex; with or without the pill. The only thing we can do is try and keep them from breeding.

I’m sure you noticed the log in the roids section. The one written by a certain 19 year old. He’s been training for 1 yr and his blood results show him near his hormonal peak. Would it be wrong to help him with his cycle since he probably shouldn’t be using in the first place? I guess not, seeing as his log is on page 18.

It would be “wrong” to help the guy, but it needs to be done for damage control reasons. Same as little girls on the pill. They’re going to do it regardless.

Let’s face reality one more time. How is the pill a convenience for women? Well, it may be, but it sure damn well is a convenience for men also. I’m sorry, but guys, me included, are asses when it comes down to it. We expect the women to take care of everything. Wear a rubber? Screw that. I want to feel her, not rubber.

The sheer amount of unwanted pregnancies should be an indicator as to how many rubbers are being sold. We should be thankful for the pill. There would be more child support payments being made without it.

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Whoa, what the hell happened in here…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Whoa, what the hell happened in here…
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[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Yes, the pill is a choice. A choice between different contraceptive methods. Birth control was developed to prevent pregnancy; and nothing more. There are little to no extra benefits to the user.[/quote]

You just repeated what I said. Why?

That is the stupidest excuse for forcing pubescent teens onto hormone therapy I have ever heard. “Well, there going to fuck like rabbits, we might as well fuck up their ovaries while we’re at it by stepping in and overriding the natural maturation process”. They are teen aged girls. Anyone in support of giving ANY PUBESCENT CHILD hormones for any reason other than extreme cases should have their fucking heads blown off with a 12 guage shotgun.

Please provide a link to that thread. I don’t know which one you are talking about. My advice to teenagers contemplating steroids is pretty universal: Don’t even start. Anyone with a shred of common sense would give the same advice.

If the kid is already taking steroids my advice is: Get the fuck off, and forget about them until you are through growing.

I will not help a child fuck himself up. I will help him get off safely, but I will never intentionally aid a child in playing with fire.

Are you fucking serious? The only help the idiot kid on steroids should be given is how to get off as soon as possible. The notion that putting little girls on hormones is somehow a noble endeavor is stupid as …well…there is not a cussword vile enough to describe how stupid that is.

Then you are not a man. A man takes responsibility. You want to let the girls do the man work for you.

Pathetic. Just fucking pathetic.

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[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:

I see your point regarding the prepubescent girls. But we need to face reality. Those girls are going to have sex; with or without the pill. The only thing we can do is try and keep them from breeding.

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Uh, pardon me, things may have been different when birth control pills first were on the market, but today they’re handed out like candy to teens. My sister started on them at 11 to help cure migraines. I got on them at 16 to help “regulate my period and try to reduce the pain of cramps every month.” My sis was not sexually active for 5 more years after she started on it, and I was not until well after I graduated high school.

Many of my friends in high school got on the pill well before they ever started having sex too, on the recommendations of their doctors, or because their parents wanted them to start early for peace of mind that when the time came they could prevent early pregnancy catastrophes, figuring their kids wouldn’t tell them when they did start having sex. And I was in high school 10-14 years ago. It can’t have gotten too much better!

And yes, grown women are smart and can do the research and make their own choices, but how much is a teenager really going to think about what they’re doing to their body when their friends all are on it and their doc prescribes them some and the prevailing attitude is one that says “Thank God for the invention of birth control pills, every modern girl and woman should be on them, it can only help and hey when you start having sex at least your parents will have peace of mind.” My mindset until recently was that women who weren’t on the pill were hopefully not having sex or they were just stupid. I think this is a normal attitude amongst young women, unfortunately.

And I think the “well they’re going to have sex anyway so let’s try to keep them from breeding” mentality is also unfortunate, and in many cases uncalled for, and good lord I wish my mom had chosen to educate herself about all the options, and educate me about what all the choices were, and not been so ready to say sure, why not, pump my kids up with estrogen, all the other parents are doing it. I guarantee that if I went to all my girl friends around my age and told them they ought to think twice about putting those birth control hormones into their system, half of them would think I’m crazy.

I actually did discuss this with my best girl friend who was my last roommate, and she said “Well but you’re lifting weights and don’t want to look like a woman anyway- I WANT to look like a woman and have nice soft curves, so extra estrogen can’t be bad for me.” People are far less informed than we give them credit for, especially when they’ve been shoved the same line about how great birth control is since they were 11.

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why is this thread about the Pill?

holey fuck what a bunch of repetitive spewing

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

why is this thread about the Pill?

holey fuck what a bunch of repetitive spewing

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Yeah, fuck the pill, I want some legal Anavar, dammit!

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

why is this thread about the Pill?

holey fuck what a bunch of repetitive spewing

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It wasn’t, then a certain psycho-bitch came in here and started screaming Helen Ready songs.

I’m sorry I ever brought it up. Evidently, there are some folks out there that can’t grasp the argument I was making, even after being spoon fed at least twice.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

why is this thread about the Pill?

holey fuck what a bunch of repetitive spewing

Yeah, fuck the pill, I want some legal Anavar, dammit!
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is there a steroid women can use that won’t give them man jaw, a beard, and a James Earl Jones voice?

we are even warned against 11-T

but back on topic, hey if you guys want to start a petition, I will sign it. If you guys want to draft something up either e-style or hard copy and mail it around, whatever, let me know.

I will contact my local government official and offer my support for a person’s right to make their own decision and have freedom of choice.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

is there a steroid women can use that won’t give them man jaw, a beard, and a James Earl Jones voice?

we are even warned against 11-T

but back on topic, hey if you guys want to start a petition, I will sign it. If you guys want to draft something up either e-style or hard copy and mail it around, whatever, let me know.

I will contact my local government official and offer my support for a person’s right to make their own decision and have freedom of choice.

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Good question! I’d like to know too.

And x2 about signing petitions etc.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
is there a steroid women can use that won’t give them man jaw, a beard, and a James Earl Jones voice?..

There is a thread or two, one recent, that addresses this.

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I will head over to that forum and check them out. Thanks Push!