Would you consider movements like upright rows and lateral raises push or pull, for the sake of a push/pull split?
Well an upright row is all pulling.
all muscles pull
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
all muscles pull[/quote]
touche, lol
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
all muscles pull[/quote]
Haha. Kinesiology Nazi FTW!
[quote]Maelstrom wrote:
Would you consider movements like upright rows and lateral raises push or pull, for the sake of a push/pull split?[/quote]
In a push/pull split, I’d only consider including lateral raises at the tail end of the occasional pushing workout.
I don’t consider the upright row specifically a lateral delt exercise. Sure, it depends on the person’s form, but it seems to work “better” as a trap exercise. But really, I’d rather use a high pull instead. You get to use more weight, explosive speed, and more full body involvement. That’s a pulling exercise.
the lateral delts abduct.
If you’re doing lateral raises as part of a shoulder workout (along w/ overhead pressing) then they would belong on a “push” day.
Like someone else mentioned, upright rows are a pull, and depending on your grip they work the traps to a large degree. So you’ll just have to figure those out on your own as far as placing.
No such thing as lateral deltoids.
(just being anoying 
)
Someday, if in a sufficiently perverse mood, perhaps I ought to come up with a fake name and see if I can sell people into a split system based on whether the hands are pronated or supinated in the exercise, dividing the entire body that way.
Just to see if people really are just THAT dedicated to the proposition that what the hands are doing should be the deciding factor.
(I won’t do it, of course.)
Oh, and as to the original question: Naturally, and furthermore, rear delt flys with pinkies up are obviously push because the hands are pushing, whereas if you do them palms down then of course they are pull. And lateral raises if you do them pronated are pull, equally obviously. But if you were to do them hammer grip then they would transform into push, of course.
Also keep in mind that while reverse curls are pull, biceps curls in fact are a pushing exercise. Many make the foolish mistake of considering them pull but for sure that’s not the case, it’s pushing (just take a look, and see.)
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Old Dax wrote:
No such thing as lateral deltoids.
(just being anoying )
I disagree. Sure, the textbooks call them ‘medial deltoids’ but this is clearly a very bad name for them since ‘medial’ technically means ‘towards the midline of the body in the frontal plane’ (I think, lol). Since the middle head of the delt is the most lateral structure on the human body, i.e. furthest from the midline, I believe they should be called ‘lateral delts’ and I do call them such.
Now I’m just being annoying 
BBB[/quote]
You’ve had more practice! Not fair!!