Hmm people here are saying about how much easier it is to do a bodyweight pulldown compared to a pull up. How come? I can do 8 bodyweight pulls (full rom) but barely 1 pulldown at my bodyweight, why? I don’t use momentum either.
[quote]ConorM wrote:
Hmm people here are saying about how much easier it is to do a bodyweight pulldown compared to a pull up. How come? I can do 8 bodyweight pulls (full rom) but barely 1 pulldown at my bodyweight, why? I don’t use momentum either.[/quote]
Are you using the same grip? The only thing I can fiqure is maybe you are doing chinups as opposed to pullups.
After months of doing either deadlifts, pull-downs, and seated rows; or deadlifts and bent-over row variations; if I switch to chin-ups/pull-ups (plus deadlifts, of course), I might get a tiny boost in strength after the first chin-up/pull-up workout and maybe after the second, after which I’ll be (at least) back where I was before switching the last time, and I’ll get a normal plateau or slow progression in strength. So for me, I think it makes little difference in the long term, though there is some short term “readiness” factor. I would guess doing a few chin-ups/pull-ups now and then while in the pull-down/row mode would reduce that.
Of course, you may be different, and if you’ve never done a chin-up/pull-up workout for any length of time, you need to “learn the movement”.
Nope both palms away grip. I tried again today, I could nearly do 9 BW pull ups, shoulder width grip. Went to the pull-down machine and could do one rep of 72kg. My bodyweight is 81. Don’t get it.
Do you know the true weight of the pulldown machine? I have found significant difference in true weight on machines.
[quote]larryb wrote:
After months of doing either deadlifts, pull-downs, and seated rows; or deadlifts and bent-over row variations; if I switch to chin-ups/pull-ups (plus deadlifts, of course), I might get a tiny boost in strength after the first chin-up/pull-up workout and maybe after the second, after which I’ll be (at least) back where I was before switching the last time, and I’ll get a normal plateau or slow progression in strength. So for me, I think it makes little difference in the long term, though there is some short term “readiness” factor. I would guess doing a few chin-ups/pull-ups now and then while in the pull-down/row mode would reduce that.
Of course, you may be different, and if you’ve never done a chin-up/pull-up workout for any length of time, you need to “learn the movement”.[/quote]
Yeah, little to no difference when switching over the last 14 years. Now if someone has never done a chin-up I guess that may be very different. But I’ve have been able to 20+ at a time for the last 10 years. If you really want to chin a lot do tricep pullovers.
…And sometimes the stacks are off but you can quickly calculate by seeing how much it takes to lift you off the ground.
[quote]Jay Sherman wrote:
I do squats and deadlifts. That is how I train my core. I think squats and deadlifts make “chin corework” pretty irrelevant. [/quote]
and maybe they don’t. do standing military presses address the core the same as squats and deads?
jay, you have good points, but you aren’t 100% right.