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In light of the actions of LAPD and their botched shootings, who would you people be more afraid of ? Dorner, or LAPD ?
Shit, this is like Training Day, baby!
Too bad innocent people had to die but Dorner was thinking like a motherfucking pig. Ain’t what most pigs do? Killing innocent people?
He’s playing chess not checkers. When you seek revenge you don’t hurt the person that fucked you up. You hurt what/who they love. This is poetic justice.
I hope that he is out there long enough for media outlets to start focusing on the corruption that made him go overboard. So far the media is trying to portray him as a psycho, and not someone with a legitimate beef and insider’s view of the corrupt LAPD. The media is not doing the public a service by playing along, and sweeping the points he made in his manifesto under the rug.
The latest coming out of the US Marshals Office in Los Angeles is, that Dorner probably went south into Mexico.
I can’t imagine how well a 6’0 270-lb black man will blend in El Mexico.
How about this: the woman was not an innocent. She was closely affiliated with the LAPD and thus, fair game. The fiance maybe tried to defend her, as was his right, and died in the process.
Some people have a very strong sense of what is right; principles that cannot be violated. Based on Dorner’s letter, the man had been standing up for his principles for his entire life. The LAPD turned a blind eye to the wrongs that Dorner formally complained about and in the end, they fired him on a made-up charge for trying to do the right thing (trying to resolve an incident of police brutality through the proper internal channels).
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles (pretty much everyone here, it seems), well I don’t know what they would do but it would probably involve a bunch of impotent bitching. On the other hand, to someone like Dorner, all bets are off. He will endeavor to inflict maximum pain on the people who so severely violated the principles that they were “sworn to uphold.” And any innocent (fiance) that dies in the process is an unfortunate casualty.
Personally, I hope he fucks the LAPD so viciously that all of the currently serving officers are blacklisted forever from any police force, or dead. The LAPD’s sins are unforgivable and ultimately they have the blood of everyone who dies during this incident on their hands.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The latest coming out of the US Marshals Office in Los Angeles is, that Dorner probably went south into Mexico.
I can’t imagine how well a 6’0 270-lb black man will blend in El Mexico. [/quote]
Unfortunately, that’s the excuse for anything criminal that isn’t solved in the expected timeframe. Truck got stolen? Probably in Mexico by now. Child been kidnapped? Probably in Mexico, sorry…
They (Marshalls) are trying to get all of So-Cal to exhale so they can dial back the manhunt. What I want to know is how as of last Monday is border patrol/customs NOT going to see him cross the border?
I feel, deeply, that if he’s still alive he’s still in the US.
[quote]grettiron wrote:
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles [/quote]
What if my internal set of principles includes: “Vigilante murderous rage is only appropriate in Hollywood fiction or fantasy and not the real world”?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles [/quote]
What if my internal set of principles includes: “Vigilante murderous rage is only appropriate in Hollywood fiction or fantasy and not the real world”?[/quote]
Shower your enemies with Care Bears and Lucky Charms?
TMZ is reporting that Dorner was seen on video at Sport Chalet in Torrance 2 days before the killings, refilling scuba tanks.
This dude is going full blown Rambo with this shit.
[quote]grettiron wrote:
How about this: the woman was not an innocent. She was closely affiliated with the LAPD and thus, fair game. The fiance maybe tried to defend her, as was his right, and died in the process.
Some people have a very strong sense of what is right; principles that cannot be violated. Based on Dorner’s letter, the man had been standing up for his principles for his entire life. The LAPD turned a blind eye to the wrongs that Dorner formally complained about and in the end, they fired him on a made-up charge for trying to do the right thing (trying to resolve an incident of police brutality through the proper internal channels).
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles (pretty much everyone here, it seems), well I don’t know what they would do but it would probably involve a bunch of impotent bitching. On the other hand, to someone like Dorner, all bets are off. He will endeavor to inflict maximum pain on the people who so severely violated the principles that they were “sworn to uphold.” And any innocent (fiance) that dies in the process is an unfortunate casualty.
Personally, I hope he fucks the LAPD so viciously that all of the currently serving officers are blacklisted forever from any police force, or dead. The LAPD’s sins are unforgivable and ultimately they have the blood of everyone who dies during this incident on their hands. [/quote]
So you’re believing this dude then.
Gotcha.
After reading your post, I believe that you’re either young, really into Conan/Game of Thrones, or both. This isn’t a TV show. There should be some accountability to your statement hoping that LA cops should be blacklisted or dead. This situation is as real as Sandy Hook and Aurora where the killers are identified as pure crazy-town batshit dick-holes, but this motherfucker keeps getting lauded because his “cause” is percieved as legitimate.
Honestly, I’m baffled by this.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
How about this: the woman was not an innocent. She was closely affiliated with the LAPD and thus, fair game. The fiance maybe tried to defend her, as was his right, and died in the process.
Some people have a very strong sense of what is right; principles that cannot be violated. Based on Dorner’s letter, the man had been standing up for his principles for his entire life. The LAPD turned a blind eye to the wrongs that Dorner formally complained about and in the end, they fired him on a made-up charge for trying to do the right thing (trying to resolve an incident of police brutality through the proper internal channels).
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles (pretty much everyone here, it seems), well I don’t know what they would do but it would probably involve a bunch of impotent bitching. On the other hand, to someone like Dorner, all bets are off. He will endeavor to inflict maximum pain on the people who so severely violated the principles that they were “sworn to uphold.” And any innocent (fiance) that dies in the process is an unfortunate casualty.
Personally, I hope he fucks the LAPD so viciously that all of the currently serving officers are blacklisted forever from any police force, or dead. The LAPD’s sins are unforgivable and ultimately they have the blood of everyone who dies during this incident on their hands. [/quote]
So you’re believing this dude then.
Gotcha.
After reading your post, I believe that you’re either young, really into Conan/Game of Thrones, or both.
[/quote]
Kindly leave Game of Thrones out of this Clusterfuck of a thread good Sir.
Much obliged.
[quote]grettiron wrote:
How about this: the woman was not an innocent. She was closely affiliated with the LAPD and thus, fair game. The fiance maybe tried to defend her, as was his right, and died in the process.
Some people have a very strong sense of what is right; principles that cannot be violated. Based on Dorner’s letter, the man had been standing up for his principles for his entire life. The LAPD turned a blind eye to the wrongs that Dorner formally complained about and in the end, they fired him on a made-up charge for trying to do the right thing (trying to resolve an incident of police brutality through the proper internal channels).
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles (pretty much everyone here, it seems), well I don’t know what they would do but it would probably involve a bunch of impotent bitching. On the other hand, to someone like Dorner, all bets are off. He will endeavor to inflict maximum pain on the people who so severely violated the principles that they were “sworn to uphold.” And any innocent (fiance) that dies in the process is an unfortunate casualty.
Personally, I hope he fucks the LAPD so viciously that all of the currently serving officers are blacklisted forever from any police force, or dead. The LAPD’s sins are unforgivable and ultimately they have the blood of everyone who dies during this incident on their hands. [/quote]
If this city turns on the cops, and it is very possible because alot of people are pissed at the cops and city government, it will make the LA riots seem like family day at Disneyland.
4 million people in the city, and the tension is brewing.
[quote]grettiron wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles [/quote]
What if my internal set of principles includes: “Vigilante murderous rage is only appropriate in Hollywood fiction or fantasy and not the real world”?[/quote]
Shower your enemies with Care Bears and Lucky Charms?[/quote]
Well seeing as this is 2013, in America and not Midevil Europe or IDK Rome… Slaughtering people in the street and naming yourself judge jury and executioner (unless you are POTUS apparently) makes you batshit insane, not some dark hero.
You have to take your rebuttal to the extreme because you know, deep down, this man’s approach is FUBAR.
His opinion of the LAPD may be (shit more likely than not is) spot on. His appraoch in dealing with this opinion is not appropriate in today’s world, this country, or where other people anywhere are involved. What you are doing is rationalizing moral relativity. Dangerous game.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
How about this: the woman was not an innocent. She was closely affiliated with the LAPD and thus, fair game. The fiance maybe tried to defend her, as was his right, and died in the process.
Some people have a very strong sense of what is right; principles that cannot be violated. Based on Dorner’s letter, the man had been standing up for his principles for his entire life. The LAPD turned a blind eye to the wrongs that Dorner formally complained about and in the end, they fired him on a made-up charge for trying to do the right thing (trying to resolve an incident of police brutality through the proper internal channels).
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles (pretty much everyone here, it seems), well I don’t know what they would do but it would probably involve a bunch of impotent bitching. On the other hand, to someone like Dorner, all bets are off. He will endeavor to inflict maximum pain on the people who so severely violated the principles that they were “sworn to uphold.” And any innocent (fiance) that dies in the process is an unfortunate casualty.
Personally, I hope he fucks the LAPD so viciously that all of the currently serving officers are blacklisted forever from any police force, or dead. The LAPD’s sins are unforgivable and ultimately they have the blood of everyone who dies during this incident on their hands. [/quote]
So you’re believing this dude then.
Gotcha.
After reading your post, I believe that you’re either young, really into Conan/Game of Thrones, or both. This isn’t a TV show. There should be some accountability to your statement hoping that LA cops should be blacklisted or dead. This situation is as real as Sandy Hook and Aurora where the killers are identified as pure crazy-town batshit dick-holes, but this motherfucker keeps getting lauded because his “cause” is percieved as legitimate.
Honestly, I’m baffled by this.
[/quote]
Yes, no, and no.
Any pig can bust into your home with his closest SWAT buddies and murder you in your own house in front of your wife with no repercussions. Why is there there no national call to bring the murderers of the innocent to justice when the killers wear blue? I have zero sympathy for LAPD. They brought this on themselves.
Oh wait, Dorner killed a white woman. That must be it.
I’m not saying the Government arranged it. Like you, I tend to believe they’ll merely capitalize upon it. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the Government turned out to be responsible in full. In the past, they’ve done far worse.
Such as the MKUltra project, which is documented in many place online since it became (mostly) available under the Freedom of Information Act.
Start here: MKUltra - Wikipedia
The government has actually been experimenting with this type of mind control since the 1950s. Go deep into the rabbithole as you can stomach. Some of the survivor accounts are… disturbing. The fact that the government kidnapped US and Canadian citizens for some of its experiments should bother you even more.
Remember, this is the same government that infected Guatemalans with syphilis just to test the effectiveness of penicillin. This is the same government that staged a false flag in the Gulf of Tonkin incident to start Vietnam, that lied about WMD in Iraq, that staged the Jessica Lynch rescue, that lied about the circumstances of Pat Tillman’s death.
And none of these are “conspiracies.” All are documented facts.
If the government was a rabid dog and it bit you that many times, you would’ve had it put down years ago. Yet somehow, many people continue to live inside this cocoon of blind trust.
How so many people can delude themselves that far… well, that should be the real topic of a conspiracy investigation.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles [/quote]
What if my internal set of principles includes: “Vigilante murderous rage is only appropriate in Hollywood fiction or fantasy and not the real world”?[/quote]
Shower your enemies with Care Bears and Lucky Charms?[/quote]
Well seeing as this is 2013, in America and not Midevil Europe or IDK Rome… Slaughtering people in the street and naming yourself judge jury and executioner (unless you are POTUS apparently) makes you batshit insane, not some dark hero.
You have to take your rebuttal to the extreme because you know, deep down, this man’s approach is FUBAR.
His opinion of the LAPD may be (shit more likely than not is) spot on. His appraoch in dealing with this opinion is not appropriate in today’s world, this country, or where other people anywhere are involved. What you are doing is rationalizing moral relativity. Dangerous game. [/quote]
Sure it’s FUBAR. But I’m not going to preface everything I say with some insincere bullshit like “I don’t condone this” or “it’s truly a tragedy” or “it’s so terrible, why would he do that?”
Humanity is tragedy. People are murdered every day for far less that what Dorner is killing for. Arguably the most complex structures in the universe destroyed for no discernible reason. I don’t see the crocodile tears being shed for that.
Also I don’t know what moral relativity means.
[quote]grettiron wrote:
Any pig can bust into your home with his closest SWAT buddies and murder you in your own house in front of your wife with no repercussions. [/quote]
Is this a real example or made up?
That is just as much on us. The lines for the iPhone5 are twice the size of any assembly to protest such acts. That is a large problem, that murder committed by the insane isn’t going to solve.
[quote]
Oh wait, Dorner killed a white woman. That must be it.[/quote]
He could kill 200 black people tomorrow and it wouldn’t change the fact this is an absurd way to handle yourself in society.
Yes cops make mistakes, yes cops break the law, yes cops have and will do evil things. Fixing that is a long, hard road that will likely end in your assassination before you see your seeds grow to fruit. However, that would make you a true martyr, a true dark knight, not a loony tune.
[quote]grettiron wrote:
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
How about this: the woman was not an innocent. She was closely affiliated with the LAPD and thus, fair game. The fiance maybe tried to defend her, as was his right, and died in the process.
Some people have a very strong sense of what is right; principles that cannot be violated. Based on Dorner’s letter, the man had been standing up for his principles for his entire life. The LAPD turned a blind eye to the wrongs that Dorner formally complained about and in the end, they fired him on a made-up charge for trying to do the right thing (trying to resolve an incident of police brutality through the proper internal channels).
Now, to a person who does not have unfailing allegiance to their internal set of principles (pretty much everyone here, it seems), well I don’t know what they would do but it would probably involve a bunch of impotent bitching. On the other hand, to someone like Dorner, all bets are off. He will endeavor to inflict maximum pain on the people who so severely violated the principles that they were “sworn to uphold.” And any innocent (fiance) that dies in the process is an unfortunate casualty.
Personally, I hope he fucks the LAPD so viciously that all of the currently serving officers are blacklisted forever from any police force, or dead. The LAPD’s sins are unforgivable and ultimately they have the blood of everyone who dies during this incident on their hands. [/quote]
So you’re believing this dude then.
Gotcha.
After reading your post, I believe that you’re either young, really into Conan/Game of Thrones, or both. This isn’t a TV show. There should be some accountability to your statement hoping that LA cops should be blacklisted or dead. This situation is as real as Sandy Hook and Aurora where the killers are identified as pure crazy-town batshit dick-holes, but this motherfucker keeps getting lauded because his “cause” is percieved as legitimate.
Honestly, I’m baffled by this.
[/quote]
Yes, no, and no.
Any pig can bust into your home with his closest SWAT buddies and murder you in your own house in front of your wife with no repercussions. Why is there there no national call to bring the murderers of the innocent to justice when the killers wear blue? I have zero sympathy for LAPD. They brought this on themselves.
Oh wait, Dorner killed a white woman. That must be it.[/quote]
She was Asian.
Look, I’d have heard him out if he wrote a book defending his case, or sat down with a TV reporter, or even produced a documentary or provided an expose’ to the LA Times or some shit. There is definitely enough background shadiness to the LAPD to warrant an upheaval. But instead he took up arms and went off to get busy on vengence the wrong fucking way. He’s killing people, not even the right people btw, to bring awareness to his situation and how desperate it is. He’s not to be celebrated, he’s a coward that let his circumstances dictate his future and he’s a white hot example of how to go about things the wrong way to make your voice be heard.
edit
Apologies, I should clarify that “the right people” are individuals named within his manifesto, and that no-one deserves to be murdered by this motherfucker or anyone else.
[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
I’m not saying the Government arranged it. Like you, I tend to believe they’ll merely capitalize upon it.
[/quote]
Fair enough.
The rest of your post is too deeply off topic for the thread IMO. At least my responce would be, aside that I’m not well read on the subject enough to comment past infant stages.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]grettiron wrote:
Any pig can bust into your home with his closest SWAT buddies and murder you in your own house in front of your wife with no repercussions. [/quote]
Is this a real example or made up?[/quote]
It’s a little dramatic but it happens with regularity. A few days ago a 75 year old man was killed in his own house in front of his wife because the police raided the wrong house.
And here is a convenient map of police raids, many of which resulted in the death of innocents
[quote][quote]
Oh wait, Dorner killed a white woman. That must be it.[/quote]
He could kill 200 black people tomorrow and it wouldn’t change the fact this is an absurd way to handle yourself in society.
Yes cops make mistakes, yes cops break the law, yes cops have and will do evil things. Fixing that is a long, hard road that will likely end in your assassination before you see your seeds grow to fruit. However, that would make you a true martyr, a true dark knight, not a loony tune. [/quote]
Orrrrr you could spill a lot of blood now and let someone with delusions of honor take up the cause later. There is currently a huge thread on T-Nation discussing the topic and it’s not buried in PWI. I’d say it’s an effective tactic but not exactly the embodiment of lawful good.
And she was Asian. Oops.