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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]

What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]

The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?

Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.

For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.

No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]

This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]

As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.

“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.

Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.

I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.

V[/quote]

Na, fuck all that “though I don’t agree with his tactics, his ultimate goal is good” stuff.

He’s a terrorist, he needs to end.

You think a Navy Officer can’t figure out a way to appropriately address an injustice especially in todays’ society and avenues within social media? Na. This dude waited till his Navy stint was up and decided to go all rogue badass and get revenge for things that happened TO HIM. He’s not trying to fix anything or bring light to anything new. His actions this last week are in no way associated with serving a greater good (fixing the broken LAPD), they are his own way of granting himself permission to be a crazed animal. REAL classy. He’s acknowledging that he’s a beaten and broken man who’s pointing his finger back at everyone else. It’s too tough to look at and fix yourself, might as well terrorize a city.

He goes out and kills his defenders’ daughter and her fiance, then goes on a spree where he takes out a cop from another city all together? Fails at stealing a boat from an old man? Torches his truck in Big Bear?

He’s not tough enough to carry out his own manifesto. I doubt he wants to kill anyone else, much less go hunting for his “High Value Targets.” It’s his lofty perception of the people hunting him that has him in the position he’s in now. I’m sure he figured he’d be all done, going out in a hail of gunfire by now.

He’s a pussy. Yes, his actions proved he’s dangerous to the community at large, especially Police. However, right now he’s scared, in over his head, and there is nothing bright or calculating about his actions at this time. He’s in survival mode if he hasn’t already tucked in under some rocks east of Big Bear and funneled out his dome. Who knows if he’s still in Big Bear, but I guarantee you 8500ft elevation in a blizard is no place for a 270lb dude no matter the shade.

For some of you guys to line up behind a whackjob that writes a 6k word manifesto and does the dirty on some citizens is a joke, and you need to really assess what you’re supporting.

He’s a pussy. Stop celebrating him or trying to put him on a pedestal of doing anything honorable.

[/quote]
THIS.

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[quote]kothreat wrote:
When I read what Vegita wrote I don’t get that he accepts what this guy is doing at all. He’s saying this guy felt wronged by an institution to such a degree that this is what he felt was necessary. It is him taking action up for himself. It’s not a government taking up action for an entire people. I would have to agree. I don’t think anyone thinks murdering people is for the best, but that’s what this guy chose to do. I didn’t choose to go into Afganistan, but my country did, and I find that deploarble on their part for speaking for me. If the military was more like a militia acting on a common constitution not being directed by a countries government and decided for themselves to go to war somewhere, then they are individuals with a common mind set making a decision for themselves. Not a larger governmnet making a decision for a country and all its population.

If the majority of people are in favour of a certain action and a government applies that action, it is different then the government going against the majority. Which happens all the time. This is one guy taking matters into his own hands and doing what he feels is the only avenue left availble to him. I don’t agree with it, but it’s what he chose to do and he is acting on behalf of himself.

Lets say US citizens have had enough war and bombing of innocent people, and the masses are telling the government to stop, but it will not then the government is acting worse than this one guy. [/quote]

War powers are not subject to popular vote. If the people don’t like it they can elect a Congress and President who vow to end strikes that result in civilian casualties.

Dorner was justified in feeling wronged. He was justified in wanting to take action. He stepped over the line the moment he decided murder was the appropriate remedy.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

War powers are not subject to popular vote. If the people don’t like it they can elect a Congress and President who vow to end strikes that result in civilian casualties.
[/quote]

Apparently not.

They are not even in the constitution, at least not in that amount.

Its like how the Tooth Fairy´s existence is not up for a vote.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]

What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]

The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?

Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.

For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.

No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]

This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]

As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.

“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.

Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.

I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.

V[/quote]

If you agree that it’s terrible and you’re not supporting Dorner (which at this point is up in the air considering your posts which seem to try and play both sides), here is a quick summary of what you’re saying and why it should be taken to PWI.

Me: Man, this guy is a nutjob. I hope he dies.

You: Yeah, I agree, he’s crazy! You know what else is crazy? The US killing innocent middle eastern kids! Why don’t I hear you speak out about that, huh?

We’re either in agreement that Dorner is crazy and should be stopped, in which case I’m not sure why you’re bringing in another crazy topic (middle eastern children deaths) which could just be discussed in its own thread. Or you’re disagreeing that Dorner is crazy and are supporting his actions in some way, even while being against the deaths of middle eastern children. It’s really bizarre.

No one here is advocating for the deaths of middle eastern children. If, for some reason, that is a topic you’d like to discuss, start a thread about it. It’s completely unrelated to this situation.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

War powers are not subject to popular vote. If the people don’t like it they can elect a Congress and President who vow to end strikes that result in civilian casualties.
[/quote]

Apparently not.

They are not even in the constitution, at least not in that amount.

Its like how the Tooth Fairy�´s existence is not up for a vote.

[/quote]

Except that the Tooth Fairy is not deciding where to deploy troops.

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There seems to be local support for Dorner, not so much that they actually like him, but they hate LAPD more.

There have also been numerous fake Dorner citings being made, I think this is the people’s chance to give a middle finger to the cops and city government.

When our useless mayor said, “this reign of terror would not be tolerated”, many people thought he was resigning.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There seems to be local support for Dorner, not so much that they actually like him, but they hate LAPD more.

There have also been numerous fake Dorner citings being made, I think this is the people’s chance to give a middle finger to the cops and city government.

When our useless mayor said, “this reign of terror would not be tolerated”, many people thought he was resigning. [/quote]

another motivation for the false citings is the $1 m reward … that could hinder and spread out the search and send some resources on wild goose chases

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There seems to be local support for Dorner, not so much that they actually like him, but they hate LAPD more.

There have also been numerous fake Dorner citings being made, I think this is the people’s chance to give a middle finger to the cops and city government.

When our useless mayor said, “this reign of terror would not be tolerated”, many people thought he was resigning. [/quote]

another motivation for the false citings is the $1 m reward … that could hinder and spread out the search and send some resources on wild goose chases [/quote]

If I were bald and black I’d be somewhere other than Southern California.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There seems to be local support for Dorner, not so much that they actually like him, but they hate LAPD more.

There have also been numerous fake Dorner citings being made, I think this is the people’s chance to give a middle finger to the cops and city government.

When our useless mayor said, “this reign of terror would not be tolerated”, many people thought he was resigning. [/quote]

another motivation for the false citings is the $1 m reward … that could hinder and spread out the search and send some resources on wild goose chases [/quote]

If I were bald and black I’d be somewhere other than Southern California.

[/quote]

…or owned a pick-up truck from what I’ve read in the news

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]

What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]

The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?

Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.

For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.

No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]

This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]

As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.

“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.

Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.

I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.

V[/quote]

If you agree that it’s terrible and you’re not supporting Dorner (which at this point is up in the air considering your posts which seem to try and play both sides), here is a quick summary of what you’re saying and why it should be taken to PWI.

Me: Man, this guy is a nutjob. I hope he dies.

You: Yeah, I agree, he’s crazy! You know what else is crazy? The US killing innocent middle eastern kids! Why don’t I hear you speak out about that, huh?

We’re either in agreement that Dorner is crazy and should be stopped, in which case I’m not sure why you’re bringing in another crazy topic (middle eastern children deaths) which could just be discussed in its own thread. Or you’re disagreeing that Dorner is crazy and are supporting his actions in some way, even while being against the deaths of middle eastern children. It’s really bizarre.

No one here is advocating for the deaths of middle eastern children. If, for some reason, that is a topic you’d like to discuss, start a thread about it. It’s completely unrelated to this situation. [/quote]

You see, that is not quite true.

If you want to emote about your feelings, fine, but if its about the principles involved, this is the place to do it.

Please see my post above for the general structure of such a discussion.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
If I were bald and black I’d be somewhere other than Southern California.
[/quote]

Hell, our grandmothers aren’t even safe here.

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[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
If I were bald and black I’d be somewhere other than Southern California.
[/quote]

Hell, our grandmothers aren’t even safe here.[/quote]

Strong points, Polo and atypical.

I work on a Navy Base, Assault Rifles, Kevlar vests and helmets are the prescribed uniform for the sailors working the gates.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]

What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]

The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?

Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.

For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.

No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]

This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]

As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.

“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.

Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.

I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.

V[/quote]

If you agree that it’s terrible and you’re not supporting Dorner (which at this point is up in the air considering your posts which seem to try and play both sides), here is a quick summary of what you’re saying and why it should be taken to PWI.

Me: Man, this guy is a nutjob. I hope he dies.

You: Yeah, I agree, he’s crazy! You know what else is crazy? The US killing innocent middle eastern kids! Why don’t I hear you speak out about that, huh?

We’re either in agreement that Dorner is crazy and should be stopped, in which case I’m not sure why you’re bringing in another crazy topic (middle eastern children deaths) which could just be discussed in its own thread. Or you’re disagreeing that Dorner is crazy and are supporting his actions in some way, even while being against the deaths of middle eastern children. It’s really bizarre.

No one here is advocating for the deaths of middle eastern children. If, for some reason, that is a topic you’d like to discuss, start a thread about it. It’s completely unrelated to this situation. [/quote]

You see, that is not quite true.

If you want to emote about your feelings, fine, but if its about the principles involved, this is the place to do it.

Please see my post above for the general structure of such a discussion. [/quote]

Yeah, this certainly seems like the place to debate all needless deaths that have occurred in the history of mankind.

Have fun with that, I’ll keep discussing the situation which this thread is about.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]

What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]

The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?

Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.

For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]

Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.

No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]

This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]

As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.

“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.

Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.

I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.

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If you agree that it’s terrible and you’re not supporting Dorner (which at this point is up in the air considering your posts which seem to try and play both sides), here is a quick summary of what you’re saying and why it should be taken to PWI.

Me: Man, this guy is a nutjob. I hope he dies.

You: Yeah, I agree, he’s crazy! You know what else is crazy? The US killing innocent middle eastern kids! Why don’t I hear you speak out about that, huh?

We’re either in agreement that Dorner is crazy and should be stopped, in which case I’m not sure why you’re bringing in another crazy topic (middle eastern children deaths) which could just be discussed in its own thread. Or you’re disagreeing that Dorner is crazy and are supporting his actions in some way, even while being against the deaths of middle eastern children. It’s really bizarre.

No one here is advocating for the deaths of middle eastern children. If, for some reason, that is a topic you’d like to discuss, start a thread about it. It’s completely unrelated to this situation. [/quote]

You see, that is not quite true.

If you want to emote about your feelings, fine, but if its about the principles involved, this is the place to do it.

Please see my post above for the general structure of such a discussion. [/quote]

Yeah, this certainly seems like the place to debate all needless deaths that have occurred in the history of mankind.

Have fun with that, I’ll keep discussing the situation which this thread is about.
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No, you are not responsible for the Gauls that died for the glory of Rome, but in a government for the people, through the people, by the people, they do the same thing he does in your name.

So, you will give up either the illusion of democracy, or the illusion that “collateral damage” is inexcusable.

I dont care.

Its your mind.

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Has anyone considered this is standard problem-reaction-solution behavior from the government, just an excuse to get people conditioned to drones being used during manhunts?

Has anyone considered that (just like every school shooting perpetrator) Dorner is just another victim of the psychiatric drugs he’s taking? Of course, you’ll never hear that angle played up from the mass media, who’re funded heavily by prosac/zoloft/paxil/etc.

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[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
Has anyone considered this is standard problem-reaction-solution behavior from the government, just an excuse to get people conditioned to drones being used during manhunts?

Has anyone considered that (just like every school shooting perpetrator) Dorner is just another victim of the psychiatric drugs he’s taking? Of course, you’ll never hear that angle played up from the mass media, who’re funded heavily by prosac/zoloft/paxil/etc.

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oh boy…

Now look, the government isn’t going to let this tragic series of events go to waste and they will use it to condition us to Drones, which may lead to “drone terror strikes” on US civilians on US soil eventually.

BUT and this is a gaint BUT, to think the government has mind controlled this loony into doing this for the express purpose of being able to drone strike political enemys in the future is not founded on solid reason or logic.

Real life isn’t a Tom Cruise movie.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Real life isn’t a Tom Cruise movie. [/quote]

HA!
Says you

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Fuck so much to answer to…

Me saying I don’t get why people are bashing him does not indicate my support for his killing innocents. My disbelief stems solely from the fact that I hear crickets about the killings of innocents on our countries behalf, and that is children, and it’s in the hundreds, or possibly thousands. Yet a few adults get killed by a guy who snapped and people act like he’s the devil fucking incarnate.

Also, if I have to read another internet tough-guy routine about how macho and american one of you are and how other people are sick fucks and bla bla bla, I’m going to go stab myself in the eye with a fucking needle. Stop being fucking drama queens, people die every fucking day you little pussies. We are talking about why they die, if it is justified, did their deaths advance any cause good or bad.

Can we please stop acting like we personally knew these people, pull our fucking panties out of our collective vagina’s and discuss the crux of these issues. Nobody is debating the fact that it is wrong for a person to go on a killing spree, murdering innocent people. I do however expect people to fight oppression. I don’t know all the details, this dorner cat could be one big liberal blame everybody else pussy, and if that were true, and god may only know, then what he is doing is wrong and he will be judged, not by some internet pussies, but by the only motherfucker who really matters.

Skynet, Really? A terrorists child who dies is the fault of the terrorist, yet the corrupt arbiter (if he is in fact corrupt) has no culpability in his daughters death? That is some logic hocus pocus I doubt harry houdini could pull off and seem credible. What about the kid who lives next door to the terrorist? Should his parents have picked a less radical neighbor to live next to? What about the man who was shot and killed recently because the police raided the wrong house? Obviously it was they guys own fault for living next door to a drug dealer and also choosing to live in a country where the cops are fucking incompetent (some cops, I’m being dramatic here).

GR, see a little earlier in this same post, I actually do understand why people are bashing him. I made the statement to get this topic started down the path I wanted it to take, and that was to point out the hypocrisy of people. Rooting when a drone strike takes out al-qaedas new #3, as if they are fucking players on the Lakers or something, meanwhile, he was an american citizen, who had nothing proven against him in a qourt of law, was not given any chance to answer any evidence against him and oh yea, 7 kids also died because, well hell, aint nobody got time for dat.

SS, I understand what he is doing, and I only accept it if he in fact is telling the truth in his manifesto. Also, I do not agree with all of his tactics, namely the killing of the relatives, though I also do understand why someone at war would take that tactic. In a perfect world, IF he was wronged, and the system fucked him over out of any legal means of correcting the wrong, and it cost him his name and livelihood, then I would condone him killing those who wronged him. When the system is broken because of corruption, then I find it reasonable to work outside the system to effect change. It wasn’t so long ago when the only answer to a quarrel with a man was to kill that man. We may feel like we are pretty civilized, but trust me, there is a lot of incivility left, and it will be quite some time before we can all drop our guards and pretend that our fellow man will treat us with perfect civility. And until that happens, I reserve the right to act brutally as needed.

Lanky, hopefully with the last few paragraphs, you now understand why I brought up the middle eastern children deaths, and why I left it wide open as to if I supported dorners complete actions or not. I also hope you can take a look back and read very carefully what I wrote. And then the responses. People hear what they want to hear, people assume way to much and they put ideas into someones words as they see fit. Instead of genuinely asking me certain clarification questions, everyone has pretty much called me sick, that I should be locked up, etc… That is those who vehemently oppose anything Dorner has done so far, as if the fact that he killed an innocent girl and guy, negates the cat he saved out of a tree a month ago, or the 18 year old girl who will not be molested in a LAPD station exam room in 19 months because of the actions he has taken. None of us have all the answers, I observe and leave judgement to god. If anyone of you wish to judge me, so be it, I am perfectly at peace with who I am, what I stand for, I’ll be very comfortable when I meet the maker.

If I left anyone else out who thought they warranted a response, either I don’t know you well enough to give a shit and or your post was too insignificant for me to bother with. Try better and I will address what you have to say.

Aside from my initial rant calling you all a bunch of pussies and vagina’s, I do say it all out of love. I want only for the advancement of my fellow man. I want us all to be better tomorrow than we were today and I hope my communications convey that. If what I say is uncomfortable, stop for a minute before you respond and ask yourself, is he saying this to get a response, or is he saying this to challenge me to think about an uncomfortable thought so that I may know myself better.

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Fuck.

Every single bald black man better rush to the hair store and get some GroFast quick. Or a wig.

And hide their truck.

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