Nobody has responded to the video I posted? Did anyone take the 8 minutes to watch it?
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Nobody has responded to the video I posted? Did anyone take the 8 minutes to watch it?
V[/quote]
I watched it. What is there to respond about? It’s basic information and common sense that appears to be designed for a first grader.
And whatever the LAPD is as an organization, does not mean that any cop, or their families, are fair game to be murdered in cold blood.
I mean, seriously? Some of you actually feel this guy is justified in murdering the defenseless daughter of a police officer? And those of you rooting for this guy to kill as many cops as he can - and their families? Are you fucking for real with this shit? So, the two cops he walked up on in their patrol car and shot - killing one - they deserved it, simply by virtue of their job? Do you know a single thing about the cops he shot? How can you say they deserved it? How do you know that the guy who was killed wasn’t a total stand up police officer who never engaged in any corruption of any kind? He still deserved it?
And you condone this sick fuck, say walking into an officers house and blowing away his toddler and wife maybe? How does that sound? Gives you a nice, big hard-on or something?
And ridiculous strawman arguments about targeted killings of people who actively want to blow off a nuke in an American city as somehow being justification for Dorner’s actions? Are you seriously equating these as the same thing?
All I can say is, the world is full of seriously fucked up people - no better evidenced than folks in this very thread rooting for the continued murders of innocent, defenseless women and children. Bravo - what heros we have here!!!
No one is saying that the LAPD is faultless, or not a corrupt organization - but to actively root for the deaths of people - man, that is some fucked up shit.
Now anonymous is going after the LAPD.
I was wondering how innocent until proven guilty works in this case. From the manifesto, and the pictures this guy has posted, is that used as an admission of guilt? Do his rights then get tossed out? Or does he still have the right to a trial, if apprehended alive? Although with drones on his tail and the cops shooting shit up like the wild west, he won’t make it out alive, I would imagine, unless he turned himself in at a very public place.
Earlier I saw a facebook screen capture from him saying he was set up and didn’t murder anyone. Can’t find it now, so it was probably fake. But, if he did post that, is there any evidence, other than the manifesto laying out his intent, that he committed these shootings and murder? Or, is it all based on what he posted on facebook?
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Nobody has responded to the video I posted? Did anyone take the 8 minutes to watch it?
V[/quote]
I watched it. What is there to respond about? It’s basic information and common sense that appears to be designed for a first grader.
And whatever the LAPD is as an organization, does not mean that any cop, or their families, are fair game to be murdered in cold blood.
I mean, seriously? Some of you actually feel this guy is justified in murdering the defenseless daughter of a police officer? And those of you rooting for this guy to kill as many cops as he can - and their families? Are you fucking for real with this shit? So, the two cops he walked up on in their patrol car and shot - killing one - they deserved it, simply by virtue of their job? Do you know a single thing about the cops he shot? How can you say they deserved it? How do you know that the guy who was killed wasn’t a total stand up police officer who never engaged in any corruption of any kind? He still deserved it?
And you condone this sick fuck, say walking into an officers house and blowing away his toddler and wife maybe? How does that sound? Gives you a nice, big hard-on or something?
And ridiculous strawman arguments about targeted killings of people who actively want to blow off a nuke in an American city as somehow being justification for Dorner’s actions? Are you seriously equating these as the same thing?
All I can say is, the world is full of seriously fucked up people - no better evidenced than folks in this very thread rooting for the continued murders of innocent, defenseless women and children. Bravo - what heros we have here!!!
No one is saying that the LAPD is faultless, or not a corrupt organization - but to actively root for the deaths of people - man, that is some fucked up shit.[/quote]
I wonder what you’d be saying if your family had been the one the officers had opened fired upon. LAPD has fucked up royally in the past (and recently) and their answers amounts to “oops”. The same people who don’t care about your family getting hurt or killed because of a mistake they made deserves what they have coming.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
I wonder what you’d be saying if your family had been the one the officers had opened fired upon. LAPD has fucked up royally in the past (and recently) and their answers amounts to “oops”. The same people who don’t care about your family getting hurt or killed because of a mistake they made deserve what they have coming.[/quote]
So, because a couple of trigger happy cops opened fire on the wrong vehicle, every last LAPD officer (and let’s not forget their families - you know, the women and children) “deserves what they have coming”?
Also, let’s not forget that the situation in which those cops opened fire on the wrong truck was brought about as a direct result of Dorner’s actions. It’s not like they just decided to blast on some innocents for the fun of it…but that wouldn’t support your spurious argument so I can see why you left that part out.
I don’t give a fuck what your reasoning is, if you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one of three things -
1 - A stupid, insecure, ignorant kid ranting against “the man” in whatever form you perceive him in.
2 - A violent, stupid asshole who can’t see that he (or she) is advocating the same exact kind of dangerous behavior that you accuse the LAPD of engaging in.
or
3 - Just mentally ill.
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot…
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
I wasn’t rooting for any innocent deaths. I can’t, and won’t speak for anyone else, but I certainly never rooted for the deaths of innocent women and children.
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
Not to mention, this is another idiotic strawman argument. The deaths of enemy combatants actively seeking to bring as much death and destruction down on people are not in anyway, equatable to what Dorner is doing.
So, bottom line - do you support Chris Dorner killing as many cops and their families as he can, or not? Fuck the strawman bullshit - do you or don’t you? Don’t try to obfustigate the issue, just answer the question.
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?
Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.
And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.
For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
So, bottom line - do you support Chris Dorner killing as many cops and their families as he can, or not? Fuck the strawman bullshit - do you or don’t you? Don’t try to obfustigate the issue, just answer the question.
[/quote]
This is exactly what I was trying to get at. Either these people are actively rooting for a homicidal maniac or they’ve got ulterior motives which don’t belong in this thread at all.
Good posts all around, btw.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
So, bottom line - do you support Chris Dorner killing as many cops and their families as he can, or not? Fuck the strawman bullshit - do you or don’t you? Don’t try to obfustigate the issue, just answer the question.
[/quote]
This is exactly what I was trying to get at. Either these people are actively rooting for a homicidal maniac or they’ve got ulterior motives which don’t belong in this thread at all.
Good posts all around, btw. [/quote]
I’m just astonished at some of the sick fucks we have around here. I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but I still am.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?
Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.
And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.
For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]
Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.
No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change.
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?
Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.
And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.
For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]
Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.
No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]
This I can get behind 100%.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?
Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.
And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.
For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]
Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.
No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]
This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]
As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.
“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.
Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.
I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.
V
We target people who want to destroy this country, and kill all of us. If those criminals are stupid enough to not put their women and children somewhere else, far away from them then they are culpable in the deaths of their loved ones. If I was plotting to mass murder thousands of innocent people, and thereby MADE myself a target, I’d make damn sure my little girl went to live with someone far, far away from me.
And no - I’m not going to buy your simplistic analogy that I’m responsible for the deaths of innocents because my country has to retaliate for events like 9/11. Nor am I going to obfustigate the issue by trying to turn this into a condemnation of the US, or it’s tactics. No loss of innocent life is acceptable to me.
The funny thing is you are absolutely sure that Dorner actually was wronged here, and no one knows if he really was, or wasn’t. Not to mention - even if they do a thorough investigation and find it was justified to fire him, you’ll just scream “cover up” - so in the end the truth really doesn’t matter to you. You don’t even know if this guy has a case, or is full of shit, yet you support him and claim he’s doing “good”? Are you fucking nuts? How can you possibly say that - you have no clue if the guy was really wronged or not. And even if they stuck a tire iron up his ass as they unfairly kicked him out the door, he’s killing innocent, unarmed, untrained people - and you want to somehow absolve that because the US miltary blows up kids? As if that’s fine with me - who the fuck are you? Did I understand it - are you fucking kidding? My dog could understand it - don’t insult my intelligence by suggesting I don’t get it.
You’re the one supporting a psycho who is out to murder not only cops (who may be great cops with not an ounce of corruption in them) and their wives and kids. And you attempt to make that A-ok by suggesting that we all support the murder of kids in the middle east.
In the end, you can talk until you’re blue in the face about the US, 9/11, Obama the socialist, Bush the Hitler clone, Halliburton and their blood for oil campaign, and the satanic rituals of the GOP (or the Libs if you take that stance) - but none of that excuses supporting a killer of innocent people. Fix it up in your head any way you like - I find people that support this guy repugnant, end of story.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him.
[/quote]
Edited out most of the fluff… None of these statements are taken out of context either.
You say he killed innocent people, said what he did is terrible and that you don’t agree with his tactics but don’t see why people are bashing him?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him.
[/quote]
Edited out most of the fluff… None of these statements are taken out of context either.
You say he killed innocent people, said what he did is terrible and that you don’t agree with his tactics but don’t see why people are bashing him?[/quote]
Why him?
Why now?
Happens all the time…
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?
Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.
And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.
For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]
Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.
No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]
This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]
As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.
“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.
Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.
I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.
V[/quote]
Na, fuck all that “though I don’t agree with his tactics, his ultimate goal is good” stuff.
He’s a terrorist, he needs to end.
You think a Navy Officer can’t figure out a way to appropriately address an injustice especially in todays’ society and avenues within social media? Na. This dude waited till his Navy stint was up and decided to go all rogue badass and get revenge for things that happened TO HIM. He’s not trying to fix anything or bring light to anything new. His actions this last week are in no way associated with serving a greater good (fixing the broken LAPD), they are his own way of granting himself permission to be a crazed animal. REAL classy. He’s acknowledging that he’s a beaten and broken man who’s pointing his finger back at everyone else. It’s too tough to look at and fix yourself, might as well terrorize a city.
He goes out and kills his defenders’ daughter and her fiance, then goes on a spree where he takes out a cop from another city all together? Fails at stealing a boat from an old man? Torches his truck in Big Bear?
He’s not tough enough to carry out his own manifesto. I doubt he wants to kill anyone else, much less go hunting for his “High Value Targets.” It’s his lofty perception of the people hunting him that has him in the position he’s in now. I’m sure he figured he’d be all done, going out in a hail of gunfire by now.
He’s a pussy. Yes, his actions proved he’s dangerous to the community at large, especially Police. However, right now he’s scared, in over his head, and there is nothing bright or calculating about his actions at this time. He’s in survival mode if he hasn’t already tucked in under some rocks east of Big Bear and funneled out his dome. Who knows if he’s still in Big Bear, but I guarantee you 8500ft elevation in a blizard is no place for a 270lb dude no matter the shade.
For some of you guys to line up behind a whackjob that writes a 6k word manifesto and does the dirty on some citizens is a joke, and you need to really assess what you’re supporting.
He’s a pussy. Stop celebrating him or trying to put him on a pedestal of doing anything honorable.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]kothreat wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Save any and all logical fallacies and strawman arguments, and I’ll say it one more time for the cheap seats - If you actively root for the murders of innocent people, you are one seriously fucked up individual, and trying to justify it in any way, shape or form just makes you look stupid, and evil to boot… [/quote]
What about the US bombings of many middle eastern coutries that killed thousands of innocent people? From what I’ve seen and read there were a lot of people rooting for those campaigns. Never seemed to bat an eyelash that women and children were dieing either. Or doesn’t that count?[/quote]
The real question is if you’re against these bombings, why are you rooting for Dorner?
Furthermore, if you’re not rooting for Dorner and just trying to get other people to start questioning the motives and intentions and results of bombings in the middle east, take that shit to PWI. This thread is about Dorner and how deranged he is. If you do think he’s a menace to society, you sure have a funny way of showing it.
And just so you know I’m not trying to skip out on your little debate, start the thread in PWI and I’ll happily contribute.
For this thread, sack up and either admit your rooting for a homicidal maniac and are thus mentally ill yourself or take your ulterior motives to PWI. [/quote]
Yeah, you’re right I lost what I was trying to get at, and it doesn’t make sense. I just erased another post because it was ridiculous.
No, I am not rooting for this guy. I am rooting for the a thorough and objective review of these organizations that are known to be corrupt. It’s time for people to start questioning authority more, and holding them accountable for their actions. This isn’t the first event to shine a negative light on the LAPD, or any other police force. But, maybe it’s the one that will get people to think a bit more? Probably not, but I can hope it might bring about a change. [/quote]
This I can get behind 100%. [/quote]
As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has stated they were actively rooting for Dorner. I have said I don’t get why people are bashing him, and I certainly understand why a man can be driven to the breaking point and snap. I think it’s funny how anyone who even hints at not running to the rooftop to decry what dorner has done is labeled “sick” or Mentally “ill” yet if anyone brings up the US killing innocents, it gets ignored, or well ignored really.
“take it to PWI” bla bla bla, Dorner killed innocent people, and anyone who says that is terrible, needs to answer the question, why is it terrible for him to do it and it’s not terrible for our military to do it? I am not saying it’s not terrible, I am in fact also saying it is terrible, YET I also am saying we should not be accepting of innocent deaths in other countries at our hands.
Sky, you said you watched the video. Do you understand it? Do you understand that if our military sends a drone to a remote village in pakistan and bombs a house with a terrorist in it, if there are kids in that house and they die, YOU and I are culpable for that murder. It is done on our behalf. Either the killing of innocent people is acceptable or it is not. It cannoit depend on the reason, because no two people have the same values or sense of reasonings. One day our values could say anyone who doesn’t wear a blue shirt on tuesday deserves to be killed, and that is just not logical.
I’ll say it one last time, anyone who is going to say that any innocent casualties, collateral damage etc… if you are saying that is unnacceptable, then I need to also hear you state that our doing the same thing under the guise of military or police is the same level of unnacceptable. I don’t wish innocent people be killed under any circumstance. But he has reasons for doing what he is doing, and just like I’m not going to get upset if the nerd finally stands up for himself and snaps and punches the bully in the nose. I’m not going to get upset when the mugger picks the wrong woman in the alley and she pulls a gun and blasts him. I am not going to get upset when someone is oppressed and at least in their minds do what they feel is neccesary to fight the system to make things better for other people. Dorner I beleive is trying to change the system so that other people who deal with the Police are treated more justly and more fairly. And though I do not agree with his tactics, it does not erase the fact that his ultimate goal is good. It’s not much different than what your government sells you when they have to go kill people to make the world a better place.
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Vegita, if you accept what Dorner is doing and at the same time condemn military strikes that result in innocent casualties, then why can’t others take the position of accepting said military strikes and at the same time condemn Dorner?
It seems like you want it both ways but nobody else is allowed to do so.
When I read what Vegita wrote I don’t get that he accepts what this guy is doing at all. He’s saying this guy felt wronged by an institution to such a degree that this is what he felt was necessary. It is him taking action up for himself. It’s not a government taking up action for an entire people. I would have to agree. I don’t think anyone thinks murdering people is for the best, but that’s what this guy chose to do. I didn’t choose to go into Afganistan, but my country did, and I find that deploarble on their part for speaking for me. If the military was more like a militia acting on a common constitution not being directed by a countries government and decided for themselves to go to war somewhere, then they are individuals with a common mind set making a decision for themselves. Not a larger governmnet making a decision for a country and all its population.
If the majority of people are in favour of a certain action and a government applies that action, it is different then the government going against the majority. Which happens all the time. This is one guy taking matters into his own hands and doing what he feels is the only avenue left availble to him. I don’t agree with it, but it’s what he chose to do and he is acting on behalf of himself.
Lets say US citizens have had enough war and bombing of innocent people, and the masses are telling the government to stop, but it will not then the government is acting worse than this one guy.