Landis Admits Drug Use

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
I am pretty uneducated on PED use. What the hell do cyclists use that helps them bike for hundreds of miles a day better? I just don’t understand what drugs can give a cyclist some unfair advantage over his competition. Again, I am not familiar with PEDs of any kind, but I am assuming whatever drugs the endurance guys use is much different than say, strength athletes.[/quote]

As far as I know:

Test (or other anabolic steroids) to recover muscle day to day on long tours.

EPO to boost red blood cells and increase oxygen delivery.

And blood transfusions to increase the amount of blood in ones body above the normal level and increase oxygen delivery.[/quote]

In addition, he also used HGH, ‘feminine hormones’ (hCG?) and ‘a one-time experiment with insulin.’ I’ve actually heard marathoners do this as well, helps them store glycogen for fuel[/quote]

A thing about the blood transfusions. Usually its done with red blood cell-rich blood. They take your own blood in a vial. Put it in a centrifuge and spin it around to separate the different parts of the blood. THen they take the part that has all the red blood cells in it and inject it back into your blood stream. You now have your own blood with extra red blood cells in it. THat is also what EPO does, in a different way.

There are ways to do that naturally like training at a high altitude. Which is why the olympic training facility is in colorado. Increasing the red blood cell count that way is legal but doing it the other ways are not. They both have the EXACT same result. It’s hypocrisy. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with it, it’s hypocrisy.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
I am pretty uneducated on PED use. What the hell do cyclists use that helps them bike for hundreds of miles a day better? I just don’t understand what drugs can give a cyclist some unfair advantage over his competition. Again, I am not familiar with PEDs of any kind, but I am assuming whatever drugs the endurance guys use is much different than say, strength athletes.[/quote]

As far as I know:

Test (or other anabolic steroids) to recover muscle day to day on long tours.

EPO to boost red blood cells and increase oxygen delivery.

And blood transfusions to increase the amount of blood in ones body above the normal level and increase oxygen delivery.[/quote]

In addition, he also used HGH, ‘feminine hormones’ (hCG?) and ‘a one-time experiment with insulin.’ I’ve actually heard marathoners do this as well, helps them store glycogen for fuel[/quote]

A thing about the blood transfusions. Usually its done with red blood cell-rich blood. They take your own blood in a vial. Put it in a centrifuge and spin it around to separate the different parts of the blood. THen they take the part that has all the red blood cells in it and inject it back into your blood stream. You now have your own blood with extra red blood cells in it. THat is also what EPO does, in a different way.

There are ways to do that naturally like training at a high altitude. Which is why the olympic training facility is in colorado. Increasing the red blood cell count that way is legal but doing it the other ways are not. They both have the EXACT same result. It’s hypocrisy. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with it, it’s hypocrisy.
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I understand it that the increase only lasts a day or 2. Any idea how long it takes for levels to return to normal?

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
apparently lance armstrong was the first person he named in the letter, although its not being reported at all yet (hes americas hero, livestrong and all that). [/quote]

It’s in the 3rd sentence of the ESPN story:

i hadnt seen that article, obviously. when i did my news reading this morning that was what was widely being reported, that he had indicated people but the names werent released yet

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
I am pretty uneducated on PED use. What the hell do cyclists use that helps them bike for hundreds of miles a day better? I just don’t understand what drugs can give a cyclist some unfair advantage over his competition. Again, I am not familiar with PEDs of any kind, but I am assuming whatever drugs the endurance guys use is much different than say, strength athletes.[/quote]

As far as I know:

Test (or other anabolic steroids) to recover muscle day to day on long tours.

EPO to boost red blood cells and increase oxygen delivery.

And blood transfusions to increase the amount of blood in ones body above the normal level and increase oxygen delivery.[/quote]

In addition, he also used HGH, ‘feminine hormones’ (hCG?) and ‘a one-time experiment with insulin.’ I’ve actually heard marathoners do this as well, helps them store glycogen for fuel[/quote]

A thing about the blood transfusions. Usually its done with red blood cell-rich blood. They take your own blood in a vial. Put it in a centrifuge and spin it around to separate the different parts of the blood. THen they take the part that has all the red blood cells in it and inject it back into your blood stream. You now have your own blood with extra red blood cells in it. THat is also what EPO does, in a different way.

There are ways to do that naturally like training at a high altitude. Which is why the olympic training facility is in colorado. Increasing the red blood cell count that way is legal but doing it the other ways are not. They both have the EXACT same result. It’s hypocrisy. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with it, it’s hypocrisy.
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hey, i own bigger stronger faster too :wink:

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
I am pretty uneducated on PED use. What the hell do cyclists use that helps them bike for hundreds of miles a day better? I just don’t understand what drugs can give a cyclist some unfair advantage over his competition. Again, I am not familiar with PEDs of any kind, but I am assuming whatever drugs the endurance guys use is much different than say, strength athletes.[/quote]

As far as I know:

Test (or other anabolic steroids) to recover muscle day to day on long tours.

EPO to boost red blood cells and increase oxygen delivery.

And blood transfusions to increase the amount of blood in ones body above the normal level and increase oxygen delivery.[/quote]

In addition, he also used HGH, ‘feminine hormones’ (hCG?) and ‘a one-time experiment with insulin.’ I’ve actually heard marathoners do this as well, helps them store glycogen for fuel[/quote]

A thing about the blood transfusions. Usually its done with red blood cell-rich blood. They take your own blood in a vial. Put it in a centrifuge and spin it around to separate the different parts of the blood. THen they take the part that has all the red blood cells in it and inject it back into your blood stream. You now have your own blood with extra red blood cells in it. THat is also what EPO does, in a different way.

There are ways to do that naturally like training at a high altitude. Which is why the olympic training facility is in colorado. Increasing the red blood cell count that way is legal but doing it the other ways are not. They both have the EXACT same result. It’s hypocrisy. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with it, it’s hypocrisy.
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hey, i own bigger stronger faster too ;-)[/quote]

Its a great movie in that regard. I’ve read more about that particular area and its pretty interesting how politics is the SOLE reason certain practices are banned and others aren’t. Protecting the sanctity of the sport(s) is a bunch of BS

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Landis should be kicked in the teeth for this crap.

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Anyone read Steroid Nation? Apparently MANY positive tests have been buried, or have just vanished over the years.

S

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Good thing for performance enhancing drugs, if he stays healthy and normal looking people will see that it’s not always all the negative effects that they blast all the time. It also shows how really widespread the use is among champions. It’s not fair to elite losers who have to chose between the moral values or being able to compete.

“I did what I did because that’s what we [cyclists] did and it was a choice I had to make after 10 years or 12 years of hard work to get there, and that was a decision I had to make to make the next step.” That really shouldn’t be a tragic decision in a sports when actual use is so widespread. [/quote]

Regarding “if he stays healthy”

He already has a degenerative hip disease. Which sounds like it must SUCK.

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What’s up with the timing of his admission? Is he about to take a coaching job or something?

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What’s this liquid steroid he says he took daily? News to me.

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[quote]biglifter wrote:
What’s up with the timing of his admission? Is he about to take a coaching job or something?[/quote]

In the San Diego Union Tribune it says he needs money.

Here’s a link

and an excerpt

" Landisâ?? financial situation has deteriorated since he lost both domestic and international appeals of his doping charge, forcing him to serve a two-year suspension and costing him potentially seven figuresâ?? worth of endorsement income.

His five-bedroom Murrieta home appeared headed for foreclosure, and he has been living in a 1,174-square-foot cabin in Idyllwild in the San Jacinto Mountains. Last year he filed for divorce from Amber, his wife of nearly nine years.

A recent court filing by Landis in the divorce proceedings, obtained by the Union-Tribune, listed monthly income of $10,000 and pre-tax monthly expenses of $7,000. He listed $20,000 in â??cash and checking accounts,â?? plus another $200,000 in â??stocks, bonds and other assets.â??

A good chunk of that, however, could go to a divorce settlement. And he canâ??t be earning big money with Bahati Racing, which was not among the U.S. teams invited to participate in the Tour of California.

In losing his final doping appeal in 2008, to the international Court of Arbitration for Sport, the three-man panel ordered Landis to pay a $100,000 penalty to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to help cover its legal expenses.

Theoretically, he was supposed to pay the $100,000 before he could regain a racing license from USA Cycling, but USADA negotiated what it called a â??repayment planâ?? last year that allowed him to compete in events such as the Tour of California.

Itâ??s conceivable that Landisâ?? admissions plus detailed information about other drug cheats could be part of a deal to wipe out all or part of the $100,000 debt. And because the statute of limitations is eight years under the World Anti-Doping Agency code and Landisâ?? apparent doping knowledge stretches back to June 2002, he may have been compelled to act now. "

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It’s sad but many, many people will be shocked by this, just like many, many people were shocked by similar stories with Bonds, A-Rod, Merriman, etc. Elite athletes use PEDs and always will. Should the clean ones be forced to make a decision to use that may compromise their own morals? No, but med-students shouldn’t have to choose between adequate sleep and passing their classes, but they do. It’s the nature of the beast. If everyone pulls their heads out of their asses long enough to figure this out, maybe we can reach a point where educated use of PEDs by adults will no longer be vilified. I won’t hold my breath, though.

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Ahhhh fuckit.

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[quote]IronAbrams wrote:
What’s this liquid steroid he says he took daily? News to me.[/quote]

I’d be willing to be that “andriol” is a misspelling of anadrol, although I thought those were tablets. But it’s my best guess anyway

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Elite athletes use PEDs and always will. Should the clean ones be forced to make a decision to use that may compromise their own morals? No, but med-students shouldn’t have to choose between adequate sleep and passing their classes, but they do. It’s the nature of the beast. [/quote]

This

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I’m surprised this hasn’t been a bigger story.

Just remember the real lessen in this. It’s the same thing I learned from Bonds and Marian Jones and all the others. Steroids work.

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Did he ever testify under oath? Is he opening himself up to a perjury charge?

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
It’s sad but many, many people will be shocked by this, just like many, many people were shocked by similar stories with Bonds, A-Rod, Merriman, etc. Elite athletes use PEDs and always will. Should the clean ones be forced to make a decision to use that may compromise their own morals? No, but med-students shouldn’t have to choose between adequate sleep and passing their classes, but they do. It’s the nature of the beast. If everyone pulls their heads out of their asses long enough to figure this out, maybe we can reach a point where educated use of PEDs by adults will no longer be vilified. I won’t hold my breath, though.[/quote]

LOL in adequate sleep isn’t againt med school rules. If you wanted to make a better analogy you can say paying the teacher for a grade.

PED’s are direct violation of cycling and most sports regulations.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I did not see this one coming.

I’m wondering what, if any, fallout will be for this. Hell, I wouldn’t rule out congress using this to get more involved in sports.[/quote]

What’s so odd? He denies it, gets caught and now can’t really race. Plan B is to come clean and indict everyone (who probably really are doing it). Then he can claim he is just being treated unfairly, so either they let him back in or shut out a ton of people.

Not a half bad strategy, but I doubt it will work.

– jj

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]IronAbrams wrote:
What’s this liquid steroid he says he took daily? News to me.[/quote]

I’d be willing to be that “andriol” is a misspelling of anadrol, although I thought those were tablets. But it’s my best guess anyway[/quote]

Andriol is an oral form of testosterone. It sucks balls from what I’ve heard about it. Horrible bioavailibity.

And any oral (tablet) steroid can be made into a (oral) liquid preparation. So saying it was liquid doesnt narrow it down. And saying it is liquid doesnt mean it’s for oral administration.