Group A: “This style of training is CLEARLY right because blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, fucking jibber jabber.”
Group B: “NUH UHHHH! This style of training is clearly superior because derka derka, bo jangles and whoopee whomp.”
Continue cycle for 12 pages.
Awesome thread. T-Nation never changes.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Who needs squats when you have Ham exercises?[/quote]
Yes!![/quote]
Oh come on, Roy. Admit that LoRez is an alternate ID you used to set up that video.[/quote]
Never! I’ll have you know that this is my second crack at a pig on a treadmill joke, with a completely different vid to spoof Ethan’s comment.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Who needs squats when you have Ham exercises?[/quote]
Actually, given that stride length (and therefore hamstring length or lack of tightness) is a HUGE determining factor in sprinting speed, and the stride length revolves primarily around the hamstrings, hamstring exercises would be beneficial. I don’t doubt that she does things to target them.
But again, she can accomplish this without squatting to full depth. A better, and safer, option for her is probably to perform Romanian deadlifts where she lets the weight hang for a few seconds at the bottom of each rep. This is nothing more than a loaded stretch, which will help increase strength, but also will improve flexibility in the hams, which is an absolute MUST for sprinters.
I’ve read where college and MLB pitchers will sometimes do a rediculous amount of external rotation work to balance out their shoulders. That would seem like sport-specific training. I have no idea if quarter squats benefit competitive sprinters because: one, I’m not a competitive sprinter, and two, I haven’t trained any competitive sprinters. If you don’t fall into either one of those catagories then I’m not sure how you can say quarter squatting would be of no use whatsoever.
In the end, though, I could care less how other people train as it has no bearing on my training or goals.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Group A: “This style of training is CLEARLY right because blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, fucking jibber jabber.”
Group B: “NUH UHHHH! This style of training is clearly superior because derka derka, bo jangles and whoopee whomp.”
Continue cycle for 12 pages.
Awesome thread. T-Nation never changes.[/quote]
You forgot the part where someone comes in to complain about the clutter in these threads that goes nowhere, only to realize that he just added to the same bullshit he complains about because he hasn’t done anything to advance the conversation beyond the level of childish bickering he came in to complain about in the first place.
I just want dat ass
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
I’ve read where college and MLB pitchers will sometimes do a rediculous amount of external rotation work to balance out their shoulders. That would seem like sport-specific training. I have no idea if quarter squats benefit competitive sprinters because: one, I’m not a competitive sprinter, and two, I haven’t trained any competitive sprinters. If you don’t fall into either one of those catagories then I’m not sure how you can say quarter squatting would be of no use whatsoever.
In the end, though, I could care less how other people train as it has no bearing on my training or goals.[/quote]
As a former college pitcher I can attest to this. When I lifted, I NEVER performed overhead presses, I NEVER performed heavy presses and I rarely performed any sort of isolation movement for my triceps/biceps. Lots of internal and external rotations and lots of leg presses, half-squats off of pins and a lot of ballistic and plyometric work for the lower body. Now, are leg presses and half-squats off of pins the best way to gain strength in the legs? No. But the fact is that even a small tweak in my back from squatting heavy with a full ROM would set my pitching back. I wouldn’t even necessarily call that an injury, but it could affect my pitching motion, which can in turn lead to injury.
The way pitchers work out would have most of the people on here howling about the exercise selection, rep/set scheme, etc, etc. because it isn’t the best way to gain strength. But it isn’t about gaining strength for strength’s sake; it’s about getting stronger in areas that will have a definitive, positive carryover toward a sport.
As far as training sprinters goes, I’ve never done it. I ran track in high school, although I ran the 400M. But in college I dated a girl on the track team for two years and she ran the 100M and 200M. I don’t remember exactly how she worked out, but she definitely performed 1/4 and 1/2 squats. Lots of reverse lunges, step ups, and a lot of sprint work on a stationary bike as well. Biking is basically an eccentricless movement, so the rationale behind that is that she could increase her volume greatly this way without fatiguing herself to the point where it would have a negative impact on her sprinting.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m totally on board with DB on this one. I think it’s funny that so many people on here are hating on the ROM, when really, we’re talking about a specific athlete training for a specific event (which by the way, he has done better than pretty much everyone else IN THE WORLD). How many of you guys are sprinters? Do you guys KNOW that quarter squats are useless for sprinting? Do you KNOW how much carry-over there is for these versus full squats?
@PBAndy and JoeyS: what is wrong with the term “sport specific”? Seriously. Unless you believe Roger Federer should be using the same training template as Adrian Peterson, who should train like Andy Bolton, then you also believe in sport-specific training. Different training methods produce different results.[/quote]
are you serious with this shit? You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now?
[/quote]
You know this is a demonstration video right? Not an actual workout?
[/quote]
so let’s put a quarter on each side of the barbell. I repeat… You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now? [/quote]
Potentially yes. As part of a complete training program, this could absolutely be effective as far as I can tell. Show me some evidence that this doesn’t help sprinters run faster. Your only argument so far has been “Really? Seriously? You serious? For realz!??!” But you haven’t pointed to any research that would show this to be ineffective. The burden of proof is on you, because you shitted on this trainer/video in the first place. So tell me WHY this has no place in a sprinter’s workouts.[/quote]
I haven’t pointed you to any research… RESEARCH, REALLY? LOL???
You guys are too much. If you have spent any time building decent strength in the quads/hips/hams, you wouldn’t need to go to the ‘research’ argument.
I mean really, RESEARCH? WHAT?
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
I’ll translate what Mo Greene said for you guys: I used to train like an athlete and set world records in the 100 meter sprint. Now I’m fat and out of shape, and I need money so I’m pimping this new super easy training style so fat lazy people have no problems forking out big bucks for me to train them in a manner in which they don’t even have to work hard!
Sport specific? weight training in a “sport specific” fashion is a myth. As no bullshit people like Wendler will tell you, weight training is GPP, it’s not training for the sport.[/quote]
So Andy Bolton and Roger Federer should use exactly the same lifting template then. Because what they do in competition doesn’t matter. Right?[/quote]
Lifting template?? What the fuck are you on about?? Te point is Andy Bolton squats, Roger Federer squats (look it up), Adrian Peterson SQUATS. And this girl is … I really don’t know what she’s doing.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m totally on board with DB on this one. I think it’s funny that so many people on here are hating on the ROM, when really, we’re talking about a specific athlete training for a specific event (which by the way, he has done better than pretty much everyone else IN THE WORLD). How many of you guys are sprinters? Do you guys KNOW that quarter squats are useless for sprinting? Do you KNOW how much carry-over there is for these versus full squats?
@PBAndy and JoeyS: what is wrong with the term “sport specific”? Seriously. Unless you believe Roger Federer should be using the same training template as Adrian Peterson, who should train like Andy Bolton, then you also believe in sport-specific training. Different training methods produce different results.[/quote]
are you serious with this shit? You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now?
[/quote]
You know this is a demonstration video right? Not an actual workout?
[/quote]
so let’s put a quarter on each side of the barbell. I repeat… You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now? [/quote]
proper loading protocol [/quote]
rofl. cool words bro. It looks like she’s got 80kg on there. 10 bucks she doesn’t go heavier than that.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
I just want dat ass[/quote]
That’s all I saw on the video. Then I tried to comprehend why the title of the thread had the word “Lamest” in it and nothing else in this thread made any sense.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m totally on board with DB on this one. I think it’s funny that so many people on here are hating on the ROM, when really, we’re talking about a specific athlete training for a specific event (which by the way, he has done better than pretty much everyone else IN THE WORLD). How many of you guys are sprinters? Do you guys KNOW that quarter squats are useless for sprinting? Do you KNOW how much carry-over there is for these versus full squats?
@PBAndy and JoeyS: what is wrong with the term “sport specific”? Seriously. Unless you believe Roger Federer should be using the same training template as Adrian Peterson, who should train like Andy Bolton, then you also believe in sport-specific training. Different training methods produce different results.[/quote]
are you serious with this shit? You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now?
[/quote]
You know this is a demonstration video right? Not an actual workout?
[/quote]
so let’s put a quarter on each side of the barbell. I repeat… You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now? [/quote]
proper loading protocol [/quote]
rofl. cool words bro. It looks like she’s got 80kg on there. 10 bucks she doesn’t go heavier than that.[/quote]
I’ll bet you $100 you’re incapable of proving whether or not she goes above that weight.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m totally on board with DB on this one. I think it’s funny that so many people on here are hating on the ROM, when really, we’re talking about a specific athlete training for a specific event (which by the way, he has done better than pretty much everyone else IN THE WORLD). How many of you guys are sprinters? Do you guys KNOW that quarter squats are useless for sprinting? Do you KNOW how much carry-over there is for these versus full squats?
@PBAndy and JoeyS: what is wrong with the term “sport specific”? Seriously. Unless you believe Roger Federer should be using the same training template as Adrian Peterson, who should train like Andy Bolton, then you also believe in sport-specific training. Different training methods produce different results.[/quote]
are you serious with this shit? You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now?
[/quote]
You know this is a demonstration video right? Not an actual workout?
[/quote]
so let’s put a quarter on each side of the barbell. I repeat… You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now? [/quote]
proper loading protocol [/quote]
rofl. cool words bro. It looks like she’s got 80kg on there. 10 bucks she doesn’t go heavier than that.[/quote]
I’ll bet you $100 you’re incapable of proving whether or not she goes above that weight. [/quote]
I bet you are 100% right. lol
70s big actually wrote an article on this haha
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
Group A: “This style of training is CLEARLY right because blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, fucking jibber jabber.”
Group B: “NUH UHHHH! This style of training is clearly superior because derka derka, bo jangles and whoopee whomp.”
Continue cycle for 12 pages.
Awesome thread. T-Nation never changes.[/quote]
You forgot the part where someone comes in to complain about the clutter in these threads that goes nowhere, only to realize that he just added to the same bullshit he complains about because he hasn’t done anything to advance the conversation beyond the level of childish bickering he came in to complain about in the first place.[/quote]
I feel like you’re trying to say something here, but…
I just… don’t… care…
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
Group A: “This style of training is CLEARLY right because blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, fucking jibber jabber.”
Group B: “NUH UHHHH! This style of training is clearly superior because derka derka, bo jangles and whoopee whomp.”
Continue cycle for 12 pages.
Awesome thread. T-Nation never changes.[/quote]
You forgot the part where someone comes in to complain about the clutter in these threads that goes nowhere, only to realize that he just added to the same bullshit he complains about because he hasn’t done anything to advance the conversation beyond the level of childish bickering he came in to complain about in the first place.[/quote]
I feel like you’re trying to say something here, but…
I just… don’t… care…[/quote]
And yet…here you are posting about it anyways.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
Group A: “This style of training is CLEARLY right because blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, fucking jibber jabber.”
Group B: “NUH UHHHH! This style of training is clearly superior because derka derka, bo jangles and whoopee whomp.”
Continue cycle for 12 pages.
Awesome thread. T-Nation never changes.[/quote]
You forgot the part where someone comes in to complain about the clutter in these threads that goes nowhere, only to realize that he just added to the same bullshit he complains about because he hasn’t done anything to advance the conversation beyond the level of childish bickering he came in to complain about in the first place.[/quote]
I feel like you’re trying to say something here, but…
I just… don’t… care…[/quote]
And yet…here you are posting about it anyways.[/quote]
Dat … ass
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
Group A: “This style of training is CLEARLY right because blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, fucking jibber jabber.”
Group B: “NUH UHHHH! This style of training is clearly superior because derka derka, bo jangles and whoopee whomp.”
Continue cycle for 12 pages.
Awesome thread. T-Nation never changes.[/quote]
You forgot the part where someone comes in to complain about the clutter in these threads that goes nowhere, only to realize that he just added to the same bullshit he complains about because he hasn’t done anything to advance the conversation beyond the level of childish bickering he came in to complain about in the first place.[/quote]
I feel like you’re trying to say something here, but…
I just… don’t… care…[/quote]
And yet…here you are posting about it anyways.[/quote]
Dat … ass[/quote]
I know. Sprinters have the best asses ever. Every time I’ve ever had a GF who wanted to work out with me I just have her run sprints, perform barbell hip thrusters and some one-legged glut bridges.
IF YOU CAN’T SQUAT TO FULL DEPTH WITHOUT RISKING INJURY (moreso than with half squat or that crap) THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE LOADING IT
if you are that lacking in mobility you’re probably not cut out to be a sprinter either.
There is no reason why squatting with full ROM is more dangerous than doing quarter squats.
According to that logic we should only be doing partial bicep curls/bench/press/row since full ROM is dangerous.
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
IF YOU CAN’T SQUAT TO FULL DEPTH WITHOUT RISKING INJURY (moreso than with half squat or that crap) THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE LOADING IT
if you are that lacking in mobility you’re probably not cut out to be a sprinter either.
There is no reason why squatting with full ROM is more dangerous than doing quarter squats.
According to that logic we should only be doing partial bicep curls/bench/press/row since full ROM is dangerous. [/quote]
No one on here said it’s dangerous, only that the risk of injury, however small it might be, tends to be higher when squatting close to maximally with a full ROM. Sprinters can’t really afford to injure their legs since running the 100M is one of the hardest events to do when not at 100%. So if there is an effective way to target the quads while minimizing the already-small risk, why wouldn’t a sprinter do it?
I’m not arguing that this particular video is showing us the BEST way to lift for sprinting at all. I’m only pointing out the reasoning behind going about things this way. I don’t think at all that it is a method borne of ignorance.
One other thing people seem to forget about: form. Poor form can lead to injury very quickly. How many times have we all seen people who have been lifting for years using absolutely horrendous form while squatting? I see it all the time. I’ve been lifting for years and sometimes I still use poor form on the heavier sets. While using proper form isn’t extremely difficult, it also isn’t very easy when performed at close to maximal weights. And the fact of the matter is that sprinters run, they aren’t powerlifters. Any time devoted to learning the proper squatting technique is time taken away from running. However, I’m not advocating abandoning full ROM squats rather than learn the proper form. It’s simply about spending training time wisely.
I also highly doubt that this is the only loaded exercise she’s performing. If this were the only movement she did, I would have a problem with that. But I HIGHLY doubt that it is, and I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that the other things she does addresses some of the areas that her partial squats do not.
Besides, look at Green’s form. I assume that guy’s got years of squatting under his belt since, as someone else pointed out, he was performing full ROM squats as part of his workout. And yet his form was still horrible. And THAT is the real issue. If there is some merit to partial reps (and there is, especially when lifting close to maximally) and there is a direct carryover to sprinting (which I believe there is as I’ve detailed previously) then it would make more sense to use that ROM rather than a full one, given that any injury at all (the risk of which goes WAY up when lifting heavily thru a full ROM while using poor form) could be a serious threat to a runner’s season, it makes a lot of sense to squat the way this video suggests.
She should use more weight, but I don’t think the load shown in this video is anywhere close to what she really uses.