Lamest Squat Video Ever

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:
I’ll translate what Mo Greene said for you guys: I used to train like an athlete and set world records in the 100 meter sprint. Now I’m fat and out of shape, and I need money so I’m pimping this new super easy training style so fat lazy people have no problems forking out big bucks for me to train them in a manner in which they don’t even have to work hard!

Sport specific? weight training in a “sport specific” fashion is a myth. As no bullshit people like Wendler will tell you, weight training is GPP, it’s not training for the sport.[/quote]

So Andy Bolton and Roger Federer should use exactly the same lifting template then. Because what they do in competition doesn’t matter. Right?

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m totally on board with DB on this one. I think it’s funny that so many people on here are hating on the ROM, when really, we’re talking about a specific athlete training for a specific event (which by the way, he has done better than pretty much everyone else IN THE WORLD). How many of you guys are sprinters? Do you guys KNOW that quarter squats are useless for sprinting? Do you KNOW how much carry-over there is for these versus full squats?
@PBAndy and JoeyS: what is wrong with the term “sport specific”? Seriously. Unless you believe Roger Federer should be using the same training template as Adrian Peterson, who should train like Andy Bolton, then you also believe in sport-specific training. Different training methods produce different results.[/quote]

There’s nothing sport-specific Federer can do to improve his game. Like doing serve motion with a dumbbell is a total waste of time. He’s better off doing heavy basics to improve all-round athleticism. Same goes for the lady in the vid. That means REAL squats! She (and MG) picked the right parents. If she wants to improve she should do real training.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m totally on board with DB on this one. I think it’s funny that so many people on here are hating on the ROM, when really, we’re talking about a specific athlete training for a specific event (which by the way, he has done better than pretty much everyone else IN THE WORLD). How many of you guys are sprinters? Do you guys KNOW that quarter squats are useless for sprinting? Do you KNOW how much carry-over there is for these versus full squats?
@PBAndy and JoeyS: what is wrong with the term “sport specific”? Seriously. Unless you believe Roger Federer should be using the same training template as Adrian Peterson, who should train like Andy Bolton, then you also believe in sport-specific training. Different training methods produce different results.[/quote]
are you serious with this shit? You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now?
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You know this is a demonstration video right? Not an actual workout?
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so let’s put a quarter on each side of the barbell. I repeat… You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now? [/quote]

Potentially yes. As part of a complete training program, this could absolutely be effective as far as I can tell. Show me some evidence that this doesn’t help sprinters run faster. Your only argument so far has been “Really? Seriously? You serious? For realz!??!” But you haven’t pointed to any research that would show this to be ineffective. The burden of proof is on you, because you shitted on this trainer/video in the first place. So tell me WHY this has no place in a sprinter’s workouts.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
I’ll translate what Mo Greene said for you guys: I used to train like an athlete and set world records in the 100 meter sprint. Now I’m fat and out of shape, and I need money so I’m pimping this new super easy training style so fat lazy people have no problems forking out big bucks for me to train them in a manner in which they don’t even have to work hard!

Sport specific? weight training in a “sport specific” fashion is a myth. As no bullshit people like Wendler will tell you, weight training is GPP, it’s not training for the sport.[/quote]

So Andy Bolton and Roger Federer should use exactly the same lifting template then. Because what they do in competition doesn’t matter. Right?[/quote]

So if I’m a boxer, I only do pushing movements. I only do calf raises. Ok, understood.

Lifting weights is Bolton’s sport. Your example makes no sense.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also, the legs are never beyond hip-width apart while sprinting, except for the initial few steps, and even then only slightly. By squatting with a narrow stance instead of a normal stance, all she’s doing is making the movement more sport-specific.[/quote]
sport-specific. lol. I should put you on ignore for that.[/quote]

I kinda wish you’d put me on ignore anyways. You’ve never once added anything of substance to anything I’ve ever written on here, so I think you would benefit from not seeing what I post and I would benefit from not seeing your lame group-think mentality that has you making fun of me for an entirely appropriate use of the term “sport-specific”.

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[quote]JoeyS wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also, the legs are never beyond hip-width apart while sprinting, except for the initial few steps, and even then only slightly. By squatting with a narrow stance instead of a normal stance, all she’s doing is making the movement more sport-specific.[/quote]

Who cares about the narrow stance, it’s the depth that’s ridiculous. Full ROM = stronger quads and hams = better athlete. Sport specific training is a waste of time.[/quote]

You must not have read my first post, and obviously you’ve never run track before either.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m totally on board with DB on this one. I think it’s funny that so many people on here are hating on the ROM, when really, we’re talking about a specific athlete training for a specific event (which by the way, he has done better than pretty much everyone else IN THE WORLD). How many of you guys are sprinters? Do you guys KNOW that quarter squats are useless for sprinting? Do you KNOW how much carry-over there is for these versus full squats?
@PBAndy and JoeyS: what is wrong with the term “sport specific”? Seriously. Unless you believe Roger Federer should be using the same training template as Adrian Peterson, who should train like Andy Bolton, then you also believe in sport-specific training. Different training methods produce different results.[/quote]
are you serious with this shit? You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now?
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You know this is a demonstration video right? Not an actual workout?
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so let’s put a quarter on each side of the barbell. I repeat… You are gonna tell me she’s getting an effective workout right now? [/quote]
She’s not getting an effective workout in that video, but she isn’t actually working out in the video, so what you’re getting at is basically a moot point. She’s demonstrating a range of motion, a movement pattern. She isn’t demonstrating the proper loading protocol because that isn’t what the video is about.

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The only time I saw a guy that actually sprints train was in a commercial gym in NYC -Chelsea Piers. He did full depth squats with a barbell, then stepups with dumbbells. I was in awe at the time because that was the first time in my life I’d ever seen anyone squat that low. I myself was a proud, card carrying half-squatter; after this inspirational display of squatting, I’m proud to report that I advanced to a three-quarter squatter. All that effort to get to three-quarters, wasted. Because now a former world champion tells me I was already going too low in the first place.

Full Circle baby. Old guy outta this thread.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
I’ll translate what Mo Greene said for you guys: I used to train like an athlete and set world records in the 100 meter sprint. Now I’m fat and out of shape, and I need money so I’m pimping this new super easy training style so fat lazy people have no problems forking out big bucks for me to train them in a manner in which they don’t even have to work hard!

Sport specific? weight training in a “sport specific” fashion is a myth. As no bullshit people like Wendler will tell you, weight training is GPP, it’s not training for the sport.[/quote]

So Andy Bolton and Roger Federer should use exactly the same lifting template then. Because what they do in competition doesn’t matter. Right?[/quote]

So if I’m a boxer, I only do pushing movements. I only do calf raises. Ok, understood.

Lifting weights is Bolton’s sport. Your example makes no sense.

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Stupid argument, since I didn’t say that. I didn’t say “skip all exercises that don’t look exactly like your sport”. I said it makes sense to incorporate certain exercises into a plan based on what your sport is. I must be wacky.
But fine, replace Bolton with, say, an NFL O-lineman. Should he emphasize the same movements in his training program that Federer does? Does Federer truly have a reason to bench press heavy? An O-lineman can improve his performance ON THE FIELD with bigger squats and bench presses. I doubt the same applies to a tennis player. This isn’t exactly radical thinking here, I don’t get the argument. I don’t remember at any point in the video where anyone said “This is the only thing anyone who sprints should do in the gym ever, nobody should do anything else.”

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:
The only time I saw a guy that actually sprints train was in a commercial gym in NYC -Chelsea Piers. He did full depth squats with a barbell, then stepups with dumbbells. I was in awe at the time because that was the first time in my life I’d ever seen anyone squat that low. I myself was a proud, card carrying half-squatter; after this inspirational display of squatting, I’m proud to report that I advanced to a three-quarter squatter. All that effort to get to three-quarters, wasted. Because now a former world champion tells me I was already going too low in the first place.

Full Circle baby. Old guy outta this thread.[/quote]

Good example. You saw one sprinter lift one time. In a commercial gym. And the sprinter you’re talking about, I’m assuming, didn’t win any olympic medals. Did he come up to you and tell you “quarter squats have no place in my program, only full squats”?

“All that effort wasted”. Are you a professional sprinter? If not, this isn’t about you.

I only perform full depth squats. I also can’t sprint for shit. I don’t care about sprinting, it’s not a part of what I do. So I don’t train for it. Sounds like you don’t either, so why bring yourself into the argument?

Since you shared an anecdote, I’ll share one. A Jamaican sprinter ran my University’s student gym when I was a freshman. I saw him load up 5-6 pps on many occasions and perform quarter squats for reps.

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Everyone is focusing on the wrong part. The end is where the LULz are “we have learned that going too low causes too much stress and injury”… To knock the partials is to be uneducated on the needs of the athlete, but for the last statement in the video is just common sense that making a blanket statement like that is incorrect

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that is total f@cking bullshit

i don’t care who says what “partials have their place …” bla bla bla

(yeh pin squats going heavy maybe but this isn’t anything close to that).

it’s a retarded sensationalist “Exercise”. (some trainer making up some stupid exercise to achieve some sort of “unique” system that becomes instantly more marketable.

As far as injuries etc, if you cannot squat full depth you should not be loading it and if you are that fucking injury prone you probably shouldn’t be running track either.

If she achieves anything it will be despite doing these crappy half assed excuse for an exercise and not because of them.

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Perhaps “athlete specific” is a better term than “sport specific”. The point is that not all athletes should lift the same way and not all athletes are preparing for the same sort of competition. Athletes always stand to improve when they are faster and stronger, but faster and stronger at what can vary greatly. Some athletes need to gain strength without gaining weight, or a minimal gain, and other athletes would stand to benefit from a strength AND weight gain, even if it means a loss of speed. Other athletes don’t need to perform full ranges of motion for certain exercises because they get plenty of stimulation in the target area through their sport training and any extra stimulus at an increased risk of injury is pointless, as is the case with sprinters.

The fact is that the only athletes who really need to focus primarily on powerlifting or the Oly lifts are powerlifters and Oly lifters. For most other athletes, weight training is a supplemental sort of thing or part of Being Physically Prepared. And for ALL athletes, the most important part of BPP is being healthy/injury free. The fact is that a sprinter is going to look pretty fucking stupid if they injure themselves performing full ROM squats. They don’t need the full ROM because of what their track work consists of. If a 100M sprint is, I don’t know, say 90 steps or so, the quads are the muscles being primarily stimulated during the start, up until the sprinter is upright and at maximum stride length, which is usually about 5-6, maybe 7 or 8 strides into the sprint. At this point, the hamstrings and glutes are doing much more work than the quads, although all three muscle groups are working very hard.

So, in essence the sprint work is primarily glute and ham-driven. But the start is the most important part, so sprinters’ lifting should focus more on the quads. I can guarantee you that this sprinter, when she actually does her workout, is lifting close to maximally fairly often. She gets enough speed work during her track sessions to the point where she won’t benefit much from either a full ROM (due to the increased risk and the stimulus she already gets to the glutes and hams) or by lifting explosively in the 45%-65% 1RM range.

You see, she only has so much volume in her, and a lot of the volume for her hams and glutes is already expended during track sessions. But the quads don’t receive the same amount of stimulus, so she can afford to lift heavy and for partial reps in order to target the quads, where she probably cannot afford to add even more volume to the hams and glutes by performing heavy full ROM squats.

Don’t forget, regardless of what this video shows, she most likely is lifting maximally more than explosively when she performs these 1/4 or 1/2 squats. Her running benefits more from the maximal lifting than the explosive lifting, so if she’s using a full ROM and lifting maximally, that’s an even larger potential for injury. And since she’s a sprinter she cannot afford even the slightest injury from squatting as she approaches a meet.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
The only time I saw a guy that actually sprints train was in a commercial gym in NYC -Chelsea Piers. He did full depth squats with a barbell, then stepups with dumbbells. I was in awe at the time because that was the first time in my life I’d ever seen anyone squat that low. I myself was a proud, card carrying half-squatter; after this inspirational display of squatting, I’m proud to report that I advanced to a three-quarter squatter. All that effort to get to three-quarters, wasted. Because now a former world champion tells me I was already going too low in the first place.

Full Circle baby. Old guy outta this thread.[/quote]

Good example. You saw one sprinter lift one time. In a commercial gym. And the sprinter you’re talking about, I’m assuming, didn’t win any olympic medals. Did he come up to you and tell you “quarter squats have no place in my program, only full squats”?

“All that effort wasted”. Are you a professional sprinter? If not, this isn’t about you.

I only perform full depth squats. I also can’t sprint for shit. I don’t care about sprinting, it’s not a part of what I do. So I don’t train for it. Sounds like you don’t either, so why bring yourself into the argument?

Since you shared an anecdote, I’ll share one. A Jamaican sprinter ran my University’s student gym when I was a freshman. I saw him load up 5-6 pps on many occasions and perform quarter squats for reps.[/quote]

You’re spewing such nonsense I’ll throw caution to the wind and engage in the always fulfilling internet “discussion”.

Ben Johnson in his prime squatted massive weights to full depth according to Charlie Francis. Then he tried a “comeback” when he was much too old, and squatted to a high bench, immortalized on youtube, with who knows what coach. Connect the dots.

Nothing wrong with half squats or partials as legit exercises, if you know the reason behind using them. But what Mo Greene was selling with his scripted spiel at the end of that vid was bunk; I repeat -it’s obvious the man was embarassed by what he was saying.

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[quote]ecjim wrote:
My 10 year old- wanna be a ballerina daughter has a better squat[/quote]

Even babies squat better.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
The only time I saw a guy that actually sprints train was in a commercial gym in NYC -Chelsea Piers. He did full depth squats with a barbell, then stepups with dumbbells. I was in awe at the time because that was the first time in my life I’d ever seen anyone squat that low. I myself was a proud, card carrying half-squatter; after this inspirational display of squatting, I’m proud to report that I advanced to a three-quarter squatter. All that effort to get to three-quarters, wasted. Because now a former world champion tells me I was already going too low in the first place.

Full Circle baby. Old guy outta this thread.[/quote]

Good example. You saw one sprinter lift one time. In a commercial gym. And the sprinter you’re talking about, I’m assuming, didn’t win any olympic medals. Did he come up to you and tell you “quarter squats have no place in my program, only full squats”?

“All that effort wasted”. Are you a professional sprinter? If not, this isn’t about you.

I only perform full depth squats. I also can’t sprint for shit. I don’t care about sprinting, it’s not a part of what I do. So I don’t train for it. Sounds like you don’t either, so why bring yourself into the argument?

Since you shared an anecdote, I’ll share one. A Jamaican sprinter ran my University’s student gym when I was a freshman. I saw him load up 5-6 pps on many occasions and perform quarter squats for reps.[/quote]

You’re spewing such nonsense I’ll throw caution to the wind and engage in the always fulfilling internet “discussion”.

Ben Johnson in his prime squatted massive weights to full depth according to Charlie Francis. Then he tried a “comeback” when he was much too old, and squatted to a high bench, immortalized on youtube, with who knows what coach. Connect the dots.

Nothing wrong with half squats or partials as legit exercises, if you know the reason behind using them. But what Mo Greene was selling with his scripted spiel at the end of that vid was bunk; I repeat -it’s obvious the man was embarassed by what he was saying.
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Awesome, another anecdote.

So you DO think it’s a legit exercise, as used in conjunction with a good training program surrounding it. That’s all I’ve been saying. You still haven’t come up with evidence that quarter squats aren’t effective for elite sprinters. Your example of Ben Johnson doesn’t make sense. You’re saying he tried to make a comeback when he was much too old. Was it his age or squatting technique that resulted in the failed comeback? Sounds like you’re willing to acknowledge the age was more the issue.

Also, please quote the nonsense I spewed. What about the text you quoted was nonsense? Just because you don’t like my point of view doesn’t mean I’m ‘spewing nonsense.’

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Perhaps “athlete specific” is a better term than “sport specific”. The point is that not all athletes should lift the same way and not all athletes are preparing for the same sort of competition. Athletes always stand to improve when they are faster and stronger, but faster and stronger at what can vary greatly. Some athletes need to gain strength without gaining weight, or a minimal gain, and other athletes would stand to benefit from a strength AND weight gain, even if it means a loss of speed. Other athletes don’t need to perform full ranges of motion for certain exercises because they get plenty of stimulation in the target area through their sport training and any extra stimulus at an increased risk of injury is pointless, as is the case with sprinters.

The fact is that the only athletes who really need to focus primarily on powerlifting or the Oly lifts are powerlifters and Oly lifters. For most other athletes, weight training is a supplemental sort of thing or part of Being Physically Prepared. And for ALL athletes, the most important part of BPP is being healthy/injury free. The fact is that a sprinter is going to look pretty fucking stupid if they injure themselves performing full ROM squats. They don’t need the full ROM because of what their track work consists of. If a 100M sprint is, I don’t know, say 90 steps or so, the quads are the muscles being primarily stimulated during the start, up until the sprinter is upright and at maximum stride length, which is usually about 5-6, maybe 7 or 8 strides into the sprint. At this point, the hamstrings and glutes are doing much more work than the quads, although all three muscle groups are working very hard.

So, in essence the sprint work is primarily glute and ham-driven. But the start is the most important part, so sprinters’ lifting should focus more on the quads. I can guarantee you that this sprinter, when she actually does her workout, is lifting close to maximally fairly often. She gets enough speed work during her track sessions to the point where she won’t benefit much from either a full ROM (due to the increased risk and the stimulus she already gets to the glutes and hams) or by lifting explosively in the 45%-65% 1RM range.

You see, she only has so much volume in her, and a lot of the volume for her hams and glutes is already expended during track sessions. But the quads don’t receive the same amount of stimulus, so she can afford to lift heavy and for partial reps in order to target the quads, where she probably cannot afford to add even more volume to the hams and glutes by performing heavy full ROM squats.

Don’t forget, regardless of what this video shows, she most likely is lifting maximally more than explosively when she performs these 1/4 or 1/2 squats. Her running benefits more from the maximal lifting than the explosive lifting, so if she’s using a full ROM and lifting maximally, that’s an even larger potential for injury. And since she’s a sprinter she cannot afford even the slightest injury from squatting as she approaches a meet.

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Agree with all of this.

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Who needs squats when you have Ham exercises?

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
Who needs squats when you have Ham exercises?[/quote]

Yes!!

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Who needs squats when you have Ham exercises?[/quote]

Yes!![/quote]

Oh come on, Roy. Admit that LoRez is an alternate ID you used to set up that video.