Keep arguing about whether or not partials have a place in a sprinters training regimen…fact of the matter is she is not doing GOOD partials (she breaks at the knees, knees cave in, blah blah blah.)
I like to think of it this way. Put 135lb barbell on your back. Jump as high off the ground as you can with that weight. Are you going to go to full depth? Hell no, somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3. There’s an optimal range for generating that kind of explosiveness and a sprinters job is to find the “sweet spot.” That being said, for partials to be effective, I think it’s necessary an athlete has the mobility to do a stable full-depth squat. This woman probably can’t.
If you are even factoring injury risk into squatting full or parallel versus partial, it puts into question mobility issues with the person, which I would have thought would INCREASE the risk of injury to someone who can not perform a full squat. More mobility means a lesser chance of injury. Let’s face it, if you can squat 400 lbs to parallel without gear, but you can’t squat half that, hamstrings touching calves, you have mobility issues.
Deeper squatting has been proven to activate the erector spinae to a greater degree which plays a role in hamstring and and glute mobility and health. Yes, this does mean there is a greater risk to throwing out your back on a deep squat but again, short of being a training retard this should not even be a concern as I would assume that at an above average competitive level, athletes would be well mobile and be intelligent enough not to breakdown their form on an exercise that plays a marginal role in their overall training.
EMG studies have proven the activation of the hamstrings between a partial, parallel and full depth squat to be negligible, although a minor increase in activation has occurred. The biggest changes in EMG were from the quadraceps and glutes, both of which I would think play a large role in the majority of sports from basketball to sprinting to weightlifting to cycling, etc. In short stronger, more efficient glutes and quads would directly mean superior performance.
The partial ROM of that video is stupid, and although I don’t discredit partial squat movements entirely, a partial squat should fall a little deeper than 45 degrees if it is to be sport specific - say to a high box with or without a pause. This would ensure greater quad and glute activation as well as being closer to the persons natural starting position for a vertical jump. If you can gain more force out of your starting position, you’re going to jump higher.
I’ve had discussion on this with people who are in the upper portion of their sporting fields from BMX riders (pro) to sprinters (national level), hammer throwers (junior nationals) to basketball (pro), football (pro), rugby players (international), etc. and although full v parallel v partial would yield different opinions, universally all agree a partial squat, if performed, should be ideally performed no higher than a persons natural starting position on a vertical jump.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Keep arguing about whether or not partials have a place in a sprinters training regimen…fact of the matter is she is not doing GOOD partials (she breaks at the knees, knees cave in, blah blah blah.)
I like to think of it this way. Put 135lb barbell on your back. Jump as high off the ground as you can with that weight. Are you going to go to full depth? Hell no, somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3. There’s an optimal range for generating that kind of explosiveness and a sprinters job is to find the “sweet spot.” That being said, for partials to be effective, I think it’s necessary an athlete has the mobility to do a stable full-depth squat. This woman probably can’t. [/quote]
Very good point regarding jumping squats. I never even thought of that.
I will say this, though. I’d be willing to bet that if SHE tried jumping squats with 135lbs on her back she’d go up, come down and get fucking stapled to the ground. Lol
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Everyone is focusing on the wrong part. The end is where the LULz are “we have learned that going too low causes too much stress and injury”… To knock the partials is to be uneducated on the needs of the athlete, but for the last statement in the video is just common sense that making a blanket statement like that is incorrect[/quote]
I think my favorite line is at the beginning when he says, “Squats have changed a lot since I started doing them,” as though the human squatting motion has changed at all in the 20 years or whatever since he started working out.
Edit: To those of you arguing the merits of the video, you are aware that this video is supposed to reflect proper squat technique right? Maybe the exercises are helpful for sprinters, but they are not squats.
love these forums… wanna be athletes have all the correct answers on how to train the proper way…one thing i never seen, and know i will never see, is an actual pro athlete, one that gets paid for playing his/her sport, chime in on all these “correct ways to train”… they are too busy training, competing and making $ while everyone else is on this forum giving advice… lol!!!
squat this way, not that way!! lift like this , not that… listen to me… i know… crap, gotta sign off this forum. i gotta go to work…hahaha!!
these forums are funny to read. personally, i have never taken advice from all the
“experts”. love reading the bullshit comments though.
now, get to the track and run your 70 second quarter, or get to the gym and squat your 350#'s.
these forums are like the comic section in the paper…
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
I’ll translate what Mo Greene said for you guys: I used to train like an athlete and set world records in the 100 meter sprint. Now I’m fat and out of shape, and I need money so I’m pimping this new super easy training style so fat lazy people have no problems forking out big bucks for me to train them in a manner in which they don’t even have to work hard!
Sport specific? weight training in a “sport specific” fashion is a myth. As no bullshit people like Wendler will tell you, weight training is GPP, it’s not training for the sport.[/quote]
So Andy Bolton and Roger Federer should use exactly the same lifting template then. Because what they do in competition doesn’t matter. Right?[/quote]
Andy Bolton uses weights for sport specific training BECAUSE THAT IS HIS SPORT.
[quote]kakno wrote:
She runs faster than every male on this forum. Who cares how deep she squats?[/quote]
she is that fast despite a shitty trainer/training
so you are telling me if i do those lame ass “squat” thingies i will be as fast as her? (by that logic)
[quote]spk wrote:
love these forums… wanna be athletes have all the correct answers on how to train the proper way…one thing i never seen, and know i will never see, is an actual pro athlete, one that gets paid for playing his/her sport, chime in on all these “correct ways to train”… they are too busy training, competing and making $ while everyone else is on this forum giving advice… lol!!!
[/quote]
yes they are out there training the proper way not trying to invent human physiology (trying to come up with a more sensationalist method of “squatting” when there is nothing wrong with or more effective than a regular full ROM squat).
[quote]kakno wrote:
She runs faster than every male on this forum. Who cares how deep she squats?[/quote]
because with decent training she could (COULD) become even better.
I think some people don’t realize that you are born with speed (at the true elite level).
I didn’t bother actually reading this thread, but I did watch the video. Yeah, it does seem silly to me, but I couldn’t care less about how that chick chooses to squat (yes, I use the word “squat” loosely); if she thinks it’ll behoove her sprinting endeavors, then more power to her. It doesn’t affect me any. She’s not trying to be a strength athlete. Even I have more important things to worry about, and that’s saying a lot.
[quote]spk wrote:
love these forums… wanna be athletes have all the correct answers on how to train the proper way…one thing i never seen, and know i will never see, is an actual pro athlete, one that gets paid for playing his/her sport, chime in on all these “correct ways to train”… they are too busy training, competing and making $ while everyone else is on this forum giving advice… lol!!!
squat this way, not that way!! lift like this , not that… listen to me… i know… crap, gotta sign off this forum. i gotta go to work…hahaha!!
these forums are funny to read. personally, i have never taken advice from all the
“experts”. love reading the bullshit comments though.
now, get to the track and run your 70 second quarter, or get to the gym and squat your 350#'s.
these forums are like the comic section in the paper… [/quote]
I’m unclear as to what you get out of coming to forums simply to bash people who use forums.
[quote]spk wrote:
love these forums… wanna be athletes have all the correct answers on how to train the proper way…one thing i never seen, and know i will never see, is an actual pro athlete, one that gets paid for playing his/her sport, chime in on all these “correct ways to train”… they are too busy training, competing and making $ while everyone else is on this forum giving advice… lol!!!
squat this way, not that way!! lift like this , not that… listen to me… i know… crap, gotta sign off this forum. i gotta go to work…hahaha!!
these forums are funny to read. personally, i have never taken advice from all the
“experts”. love reading the bullshit comments though.
now, get to the track and run your 70 second quarter, or get to the gym and squat your 350#'s.
these forums are like the comic section in the paper… [/quote]
I’m unclear as to what you get out of coming to forums simply to bash people who use forums.
[quote]spk wrote:
love these forums… wanna be athletes have all the correct answers on how to train the proper way…one thing i never seen, and know i will never see, is an actual pro athlete, one that gets paid for playing his/her sport, chime in on all these “correct ways to train”… they are too busy training, competing and making $ while everyone else is on this forum giving advice… lol!!!
squat this way, not that way!! lift like this , not that… listen to me… i know… crap, gotta sign off this forum. i gotta go to work…hahaha!!
these forums are funny to read. personally, i have never taken advice from all the
“experts”. love reading the bullshit comments though.
now, get to the track and run your 70 second quarter, or get to the gym and squat your 350#'s.
these forums are like the comic section in the paper… [/quote]
I’m unclear as to what you get out of coming to forums simply to bash people who use forums.
[quote]spk wrote:
love these forums… wanna be athletes have all the correct answers on how to train the proper way…one thing i never seen, and know i will never see, is an actual pro athlete, one that gets paid for playing his/her sport, chime in on all these “correct ways to train”… they are too busy training, competing and making $ while everyone else is on this forum giving advice… lol!!!
squat this way, not that way!! lift like this , not that… listen to me… i know… crap, gotta sign off this forum. i gotta go to work…hahaha!!
these forums are funny to read. personally, i have never taken advice from all the
“experts”. love reading the bullshit comments though.
now, get to the track and run your 70 second quarter, or get to the gym and squat your 350#'s.
these forums are like the comic section in the paper… [/quote]
I’m unclear as to what you get out of coming to forums simply to bash people who use forums.
This makes no sense to me. [/quote]
^^^ SPK is a TOOL, go fuck yourself![/quote]
Go fuck myself? Seems kinda harsh.[/quote]
Hahaha, dude, that was directed at SPK. Sorry if I worded it weird.
[quote]spk wrote:
love these forums… wanna be athletes have all the correct answers on how to train the proper way…one thing i never seen, and know i will never see, is an actual pro athlete, one that gets paid for playing his/her sport, chime in on all these “correct ways to train”… they are too busy training, competing and making $ while everyone else is on this forum giving advice… lol!!!
squat this way, not that way!! lift like this , not that… listen to me… i know… crap, gotta sign off this forum. i gotta go to work…hahaha!!
these forums are funny to read. personally, i have never taken advice from all the
“experts”. love reading the bullshit comments though.
now, get to the track and run your 70 second quarter, or get to the gym and squat your 350#'s.
these forums are like the comic section in the paper… [/quote]
I’m unclear as to what you get out of coming to forums simply to bash people who use forums.
This makes no sense to me. [/quote]
^^^ SPK is a TOOL, go fuck yourself![/quote]
Go fuck myself? Seems kinda harsh.[/quote]
Hahaha, dude, that was directed at SPK. Sorry if I worded it weird.[/quote]
If people want to do partial reps that’s fine. There certainly can be reasons for doing it. But I still have several problems with the video.
It isn’t squatting. You could call it 1/8th rep squats, power curtsies, whatever, but it ain’t squats.
Putting twice the weight on your back that you could full squat and doing a power curtsy isn’t safer and doesn’t have less risk of injury than using half the weight and doing an actual squat. In fact, it’s probably more dangerous.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If people want to do partial reps that’s fine. There certainly can be reasons for doing it. But I still have several problems with the video.
It isn’t squatting. You could call it 1/8th rep squats, power curtsies, whatever, but it ain’t squats.
Putting twice the weight on your back that you could full squat and doing a power curtsy isn’t safer and doesn’t have less risk of injury than using half the weight and doing an actual squat. In fact, it’s probably more dangerous.[/quote]