Kroc @ UPA Power

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Bill Carpenter’s post on PLWatch:

[quote]
I just posted Matt’s Squat and Deadlift on my site.[/quote]
(Edit: There on PLWatch now)

[quote]
What I said in my last post that was erased is one of the judges did not say “What Matt K wants, Matt K gets.” The announcer my wife said it in a kidding way about more time for warm ups for the deadlift flight.We like to give all lifters more time in the warm up room if they need it. My wife is not a judge.

I was the judge on the right side of the video. I gave Matt a red light and the other two judges seen the lift different and gave Matt 2 white lights. I felt I judged the last two days strict and consistant on the squat. I made everyone get there squats in the hole or I red lighted them. I am human and might have missed one or two but I felt I was very consistant with my judging.

Matt received two white lights and the lift counts. I really don’t feel the lift was terribly high compared to many other multi- federation squats I have seen over the years. The rule book states 2 out 3 white lights and lift is good. Nice lifting Matt![/quote]

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
I’m waiting for Stronghold and Buckeye girl to jump down my throat, but c’mon. Seriously???[/quote]

To be fair, I thought they looked high too.

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Great effort…

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I only watched the videos today (10ish am, eastern US time) and the one i saw was from the front. Apparently there was another from the side? The one from the front looked good to me, not DEEP, but hip crease breaking knee … are the complaints (just for lack of a better word) on here all coming from the side view? or do any of you really think the front view made it look sky hihg?

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
I only watched the videos today (10ish am, eastern US time) and the one i saw was from the front. Apparently there was another from the side? The one from the front looked good to me, not DEEP, but hip crease breaking knee … are the complaints (just for lack of a better word) on here all coming from the side view? or do any of you really think the front view made it look sky hihg?[/quote]

The first video to appear was the 2nd one on the powerlifting Watch thread (the ~2minute highlight video from a distance).

Then later in the night Bill Carpenter posted the other videos (squat and deadlift).

I copied Bill’s comments over here considering he had a great view (side judge). I got a kick out of it that people on PLWatch were commenting about squat depth BEFORE any vids were posted.

That deadlift was crazy. Too bad there was the judge error which caused controversy. I’m also hoping Kroc has a vid of the bench that’s better. That looked like on hell of a lift.

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The lowest point of the squat from the vid.

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If you don’t think that squat was high you are stupid or a liar. I don’t want to take anything away from Matt K, he is an animal and one of my favourite athletes. But that squat was high. Maybe not as high as Donnie’s ridiculous ‘record’ but high nonetheless. Lets keep this thread about everything other than whether it was high or not from now one, because it was there is no argument possible.

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[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
That deadlift was crazy. Too bad there was the judge error which caused controversy. I’m also hoping Kroc has a vid of the bench that’s better. That looked like on hell of a lift.[/quote]

I’m surprised this is the first mention of it. That was a very early down command.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
That deadlift was crazy. Too bad there was the judge error which caused controversy. I’m also hoping Kroc has a vid of the bench that’s better. That looked like on hell of a lift.

I’m surprised this is the first mention of it. That was a very early down command.[/quote]

Yeah, I’m an admitted Kroc fanboy so I’m happy they gave it too him as it was a judging error. But Sam Byrd pointed out that although it was the judge’s error, the lift should have been judged as of when the down command was given (therefore not locked out).

As I said, I’m a fanboy so I’m happy he got it.

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Wow. Just wow.

There’s nothing to say about the squat that hasn’t already been said. But the deadlift lowered my respect for Matt K as a competitor. I mean, I’d take a high squat if it was given to me, unless I made a conscious effort to cut it high. It’s hard to judge your own depth in a multiply squat. But a deadlift? You KNOW when you lock a deadlift.

As Ruggerlife said, it should have been judged on the down command, which should have been no lift. Even if the down command wasn’t given early, it would have been a no lift. But he accepted the 3 whites even though he KNEW it wasn’t locked. I know he wants to win/set a record, but what good is a bullshit record other than ego inflation? What ever happened to honor in competition?

/end rant.

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It looked like he locked it out at the very end?? He struggled for a few seconds at the top (maybe that’s what you’re referring to) and finally got it locked before following the second down instruction. It seemed like the head judge was jumping the gun, NOT trying to disqualify the lift. If that had been the case, I’m sure it would not stand.

Also, the front view of the squat is STILL hard to tell for me. The dude has monstrous legs. You figure the bottom of the belt he is wearing is above the crease. At the lowest point, the belt is below his knee (so you would think the hip joint was). I dunno. I think a side view would help put this to rest.

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[quote]masonator wrote:
Wow. Just wow.

There’s nothing to say about the squat that hasn’t already been said. But the deadlift lowered my respect for Matt K as a competitor. I mean, I’d take a high squat if it was given to me, unless I made a conscious effort to cut it high. It’s hard to judge your own depth in a multiply squat. But a deadlift? You KNOW when you lock a deadlift.
[/quote]

Did the head judge comment on this? I wonder if he gave the signal because he thought it was locked out, or because he thought Matt had stopped making progress with the bar.

I’m assuming it’s because he thought it was locked out, judging by the three whites.

[quote]
As Ruggerlife said, it should have been judged on the down command, which should have been no lift. Even if the down command wasn’t given early, it would have been a no lift. But he accepted the 3 whites even though he KNEW it wasn’t locked. I know he wants to win/set a record, but what good is a bullshit record other than ego inflation? What ever happened to honor in competition?

/end rant.[/quote]

I don’t know. I feel like if Matt was trying to cut corners, he’d have cut the DL on the first down command, rather than continuing to lock it out (??) at the end.

Can one get a red light for holding the bar at lockout once the judge has given the down command?

I’d have been pissed if I had just used the effort it takes to DL 810lbs, and it didn’t count because a judge messed up.

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Look guys, without reading the UPA rule book, the rules should be very simple. The lift stops when the judge gives the down signal. And that’s what is judged on. If the judge fucks up then you get a retake. It doesn’t matter a damn if you’ve pulled 800+ because you’re probably in no shape to take one tho.

My point is, Kroc had the lift, he woulda done it, but the rules are the rules. And they should be followed. If a federation is to have any credibility then they must judge on the lift before them, not on what they know the athlete can do, or what happens after the fact.

As for the debate on whether or not the squat was down, look at the still frame on the previous page, his ass didn’t get below his knees. How could his hips??? His belt my look below because of the angle of his torso, but c’mon… that lift was so not there.

TBH there’s doubts and causes for failure on all the lifts. Squat’s weren’t in, bench dipped and deadlift wasn’t locked. I hate to see shit like that when it’s obvious he’s capable of doing them clean, but like I said, judge on the lifts before you, not on what you think he can do. Sheeesh.

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Going back to his insane cut to make weight, does anybody know how much he put back on after weigh in?

I know his goal is to put it all back on, but after losing ~36 pounds in a day, did he get it all back?

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[quote]ragingbassist wrote:
Kroc is my hero. his videos make me wanna tear shit up in the gym.

He is a God

enough said.[/quote]

X2 he fucking gets after it.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
masonator wrote:
Wow. Just wow.

There’s nothing to say about the squat that hasn’t already been said. But the deadlift lowered my respect for Matt K as a competitor. I mean, I’d take a high squat if it was given to me, unless I made a conscious effort to cut it high. It’s hard to judge your own depth in a multiply squat. But a deadlift? You KNOW when you lock a deadlift.

Did the head judge comment on this? I wonder if he gave the signal because he thought it was locked out, or because he thought Matt had stopped making progress with the bar.

I’m assuming it’s because he thought it was locked out, judging by the three whites.

As Ruggerlife said, it should have been judged on the down command, which should have been no lift. Even if the down command wasn’t given early, it would have been a no lift. But he accepted the 3 whites even though he KNEW it wasn’t locked. I know he wants to win/set a record, but what good is a bullshit record other than ego inflation? What ever happened to honor in competition?

/end rant.

I don’t know. I feel like if Matt was trying to cut corners, he’d have cut the DL on the first down command, rather than continuing to lock it out (??) at the end.

Can one get a red light for holding the bar at lockout once the judge has given the down command?

I’d have been pissed if I had just used the effort it takes to DL 810lbs, and it didn’t count because a judge messed up.[/quote]

I need to clarify, I like Matt K, that’s why his performance disappoints me. I should have said this earlier, but congrats to Matt K. He is a crowd favorite and works hard, and he was obviously putting forth a great effort.

I guess after watching his intensity and attitude I expected him to lift in a manner that left no doubt about depth/form/judging. I mean, I honestly expected him to pull a Jim Grandick and decline at least one of his lifts due to bad judging. But then again, I have never been in a position to set a (meaningful) record, so it’s not my place to pass judgement.

Bill Carpenter said that he had basically run out of judges by deadlifts on the third day, so he threw a rookie judge in, who apparently sucks lol.

Keep in mind, I’ve never read the UPA rulebook, but I doubt he would have gotten redlighted if he kept pulling it a little longer. He might get one if he held it for over 10-15 seconds for bad sportsmanship or the like, though.

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[quote]mahwah wrote:
Going back to his insane cut to make weight, does anybody know how much he put back on after weigh in?

I know his goal is to put it all back on, but after losing ~36 pounds in a day, did he get it all back?[/quote]

Apparently he didn’t, at least I get that impression from Frey’s log over at Elite. He mentioned something about his gear being a little more loose than usual.

Damn, I’m blowin this thread up haha

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Why no knee wraps? Any of the self proclaimed “fanboys” know? I am too lazy to search it out.

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[quote]UpChucker wrote:
Why no knee wraps? Any of the self proclaimed “fanboys” know? I am too lazy to search it out. [/quote]

Matt K: “I don’t need them.”

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[quote]Astar wrote:
UpChucker wrote:
Why no knee wraps? Any of the self proclaimed “fanboys” know? I am too lazy to search it out.

Matt K: “I don’t need them.”[/quote]

For a wide stance lifter squatting that high they aren’t gonna do much.