If guys like Lee Banks happen to be there, he has his work cut out for him.
38 years old also just under 220.
Kroc needs to be around that weight to even hold his own.
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]iamthewolf wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
“Unfortunately due to my messed up hips and having to take time away from squatting heavy my legs (specifically my quads) have atrophied some.”[/quote]
OMG! he’s totally wasting away![/quote]
ha ha yeah I was a little surprised he thinks this, but he would know[/quote]
You guys are apparently only looking at this as if he is going to be on stage all by himself. His legs look great compared to the average serious weight lifter. Do they look great standing next to Kai Greene?[/quote]
Proff X I’d have to disagree with you on this one. I think everyone is amazed because Matt K’s physique is outstanding for someone who did not have the aspirations to be a bodybuilder throughout their career and later on making that decision and showing a physique that is truly outstanding. For you to compare him to Kai Greene is sort of unfair due to the fact that this is his FIRST bodybuilding competition.
As a person entering their first bodybuilding competition with that kind of physique it is very plausible in my honest opinion. I dont think many PRO bodybuilders brought this kind of development in their first show, but that is quite arguable as well. Regardless, the dude is jacked compared to anyone be it cardio queen or IFBB pro i doubt many pro bb would deem him or his legs anything short of “big”.[/quote]
Actually not his first show if I remember correctly. He did a local show a long time ago and placed pretty well or won, not exactly sure. Would have to look into it more.
If you actually have read through his training log…you can see he has always had some sort of aspiration to get bodybuilder big.
One of his fav bodybuilders is Markus Ruhl to!
Yet does he have what it takes to win …not sure, competition will def be stiff.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Bill, Kroc’s training = low-volume BBing plus some max/near-max lifts.
Had a bunch of positive posts about Ruehl in his blog, too, and about Justin Harris’ arms etc… He’s certainly got the BBing bug, had it for quite some time.
(I don’t mean any of this in a negative way… Got to mention that before some moron chimes in to “defend” Kroc).
What you described I could see happen if we were talking about some Oly Lifter or some powerlifter basing most of his training on Sheiko etc, but Kroc always struck me as more of a power/builder guy anyway.
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Yes, it would be a mistake for someone to think Kroc’s training all this time to not have been highly conducive to building him as a bb’er.
But I don’t think that that defeats the psychology that may be the case for at least some of those who are making a bigger deal of Kroc’s physique than they ordinarily would for a competing bb’er of the same age with the same physique.
I certainly hadn’t meant that you personally were doing that.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Bill, Kroc’s training = low-volume BBing plus some max/near-max lifts.
Had a bunch of positive posts about Ruehl in his blog, too, and about Justin Harris’ arms etc… He’s certainly got the BBing bug, had it for quite some time.
(I don’t mean any of this in a negative way… Got to mention that before some moron chimes in to “defend” Kroc).
What you described I could see happen if we were talking about some Oly Lifter or some powerlifter basing most of his training on Sheiko etc, but Kroc always struck me as more of a power/builder guy anyway.
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Yes, it would be a mistake for someone to think Kroc’s training all this time to not have been highly conducive to building him as a bb’er.
But I don’t think that that defeats the psychology that may be the case for at least some of those who are making a bigger deal of Kroc’s physique than they ordinarily would for a competing bb’er of the same age with the same physique.
I certainly hadn’t meant that you personally were doing that.[/quote]
Well, it surely should silent many of the people who seem to act like you can look like a bodybuilder without ever training like one.
My guess is, Kroc spent quite a few years working his arms directly…yet so many here seem to think it is unnecessary.
We can call it “powerbuilding” like Johnnie Jackson calls it, but it all still means the same…really heavy weight with DIRECT attention to individual muscle groups…like we have tried to get people to train from the start.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]iamthewolf wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
“Unfortunately due to my messed up hips and having to take time away from squatting heavy my legs (specifically my quads) have atrophied some.”[/quote]
OMG! he’s totally wasting away![/quote]
ha ha yeah I was a little surprised he thinks this, but he would know[/quote]
You guys are apparently only looking at this as if he is going to be on stage all by himself. His legs look great compared to the average serious weight lifter. Do they look great standing next to Kai Greene?[/quote]
You’re right, they don’t look good next to Kai Greene.
I admire what Matt has accomplished. I went to high school with Matt and his brothers. My nut hugging is directly related to knowing him. My bad.[/quote]
Dude, there is nothing wrong with liking the guy. That isn’t the issue. It just seemed that some were commenting as if they don’t even follow bodybuilding at all…which makes me wonder why they speak on it like they do.
His legs look great for someone who lifts weights…but competing at the level he plans on is nothing like what most people are used to. He is going up against the genetic elite so no matter how much some of you may like the guy, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have weak areas to work on if he plans to do well.[/quote]
Oh I absolutely get that. I don’t follow bb as closely as most of you do, although I do enjoy it. What it takes and looks like to get competition ready? No clue. I’m rooting for my home town guy, which does make me look naive to elite bodybuilding standards.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Bill, Kroc’s training = low-volume BBing plus some max/near-max lifts.
Had a bunch of positive posts about Ruehl in his blog, too, and about Justin Harris’ arms etc… He’s certainly got the BBing bug, had it for quite some time.
(I don’t mean any of this in a negative way… Got to mention that before some moron chimes in to “defend” Kroc).
What you described I could see happen if we were talking about some Oly Lifter or some powerlifter basing most of his training on Sheiko etc, but Kroc always struck me as more of a power/builder guy anyway.
[/quote]
Yes, it would be a mistake for someone to think Kroc’s training all this time to not have been highly conducive to building him as a bb’er.
But I don’t think that that defeats the psychology that may be the case for at least some of those who are making a bigger deal of Kroc’s physique than they ordinarily would for a competing bb’er of the same age with the same physique.
I certainly hadn’t meant that you personally were doing that.[/quote]
Well, it surely should silent many of the people who seem to act like you can look like a bodybuilder without ever training like one.
My guess is, Kroc spent quite a few years working his arms directly…yet so many here seem to think it is unnecessary.
We can call it “powerbuilding” like Johnnie Jackson calls it, but it all still means the same…really heavy weight with DIRECT attention to individual muscle groups…like we have tried to get people to train from the start.[/quote]
true
So what are everyone’s thoughts on him getting his pro card?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So what are everyone’s thoughts on him getting his pro card?[/quote]
That it ain’t happenin’ if he is competing against someone like Lee Banks who came in second in '09.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So what are everyone’s thoughts on him getting his pro card?[/quote]
That one won last time, no?
Mens Open:
* Bantamweight: First Chris Coughlin
* Lightweight: First Eric Barrenger
* Middleweight: First Pablo Rodriguez
* Light-Heavyweight: First Brian Thompson
* Heavyweight: First Jermichael Pratt
Here’s another pic:
You guys decide. I think that’s going to be Matt’s show, anyway. No idea what it will look like this time.
I might have the wrong show of course (there are multiple blogs and sites dealing with the NPC, but this is the only one saying NPC michigan state bbing championships…).
I’m not overly familiar with the NPC structure, but I guess that is a lesser-tier show than where the guys X posted competed?
Looks like it anyway. Gotta compare pics again… But even if the level of competition is lower than what X posted, Kroc won’t exactly have it easy… He has great backthickness for someone of his weight, but his width might not be quite up there, I don’t remember too well… Tris are an obvious weak area, but the winner of last year doesn’t exactly sport monster tris either… Beyond that, gotta compare pics again.
Light heavy back (shitty pic imo, caught most/all guys mid-transition or something)
Back-wise Kroc should be able to beat the competition (if it’s anything like last year), or at least hold his own well enough:
http://www.criticalbench.com/images/Matt-Kroc4.jpg (old pic)
Again, light heavies:
Hm. In that line-up, I don’t think his chances would be bad at all, but I dunno… Have to wait for proper posing pics.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
… He has great backthickness for someone of his weight, but his width might not be quite up there, I don’t remember too well… Tris are an obvious weak area, but the winner of last year doesn’t exactly sport monster tris either… Beyond that, gotta compare pics again.
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Width (and backne).
Okay, did I get the “NPC michigan bbing championships” pics or the “northern michigan something-sue championships” or what? I’m getting confused here, isn’t there some proper site for this shit 
pmpm, yeah, looking at his lat spread and back double-bi, I don’t think he has much to fear when it comes to being “out-backed”. Not sure about the other areas… I’m not even sure I got the right show 
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Okay, did I get the “NPC michigan bbing championships” pics or the “northern michigan something-sue championships” or what? I’m getting confused here, isn’t there some proper site for this shit
pmpm, yeah, looking at his lat spread and back double-bi, I don’t think he has much to fear when it comes to being “out-backed”. Not sure about the other areas… I’m not even sure I got the right show
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Repretrope’s website usually covers NPC and none of those guys look like the ones you are putting up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Okay, did I get the “NPC michigan bbing championships” pics or the “northern michigan something-sue championships” or what? I’m getting confused here, isn’t there some proper site for this shit
pmpm, yeah, looking at his lat spread and back double-bi, I don’t think he has much to fear when it comes to being “out-backed”. Not sure about the other areas… I’m not even sure I got the right show
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Repretrope’s website usually covers NPC and none of those guys look like the ones you are putting up.
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Hm. I can’t imagine Kroc going up against the guys you posted though, that would be plain silly for him to do at this stage…
http://michigannpcnews.com/2009_michigan
There, pretty sure that’s the right show from last year… It’s the only one saying “michigan” instead of “northern” or “natural” or “novice” or “junior”. Doesn’t explicitly say “Michigan state” though, just Michigan…
however:
Here is the one Shelby won last time:
http://michigannpcnews.com/2009_central_states
Men’s class winners from Shelby’s show (“central states”).
Shelby helps matt with his contest prep, right? So I’m guessing that either Matt will be competing at the same show, or the other one I posted before…
Either way, he should have a decent chance there I think, those shows certainly seem more appropriate for him.
Edit: Looked at the 2010 NPC Michigan schedule, and it does seem like the first show (with the blue-haired guy) is the right one, not Shelby’s.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Repretrope’s website usually covers NPC and none of those guys look like the ones you are putting up.
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Oh, and thanks for the Repretrope site.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So what are everyone’s thoughts on him getting his pro card?[/quote]
That it ain’t happenin’ if he is competing against someone like Lee Banks who came in second in '09.[/quote]
I don’t mean limited to this competition.
How long will it take if at all?
How much weight does he need to add or weakpoints he needs to bring up first?
I know a lot of this is probably still pending seeing him dialed in.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So what are everyone’s thoughts on him getting his pro card?[/quote]
That it ain’t happenin’ if he is competing against someone like Lee Banks who came in second in '09.[/quote]
I don’t mean limited to this competition.
How long will it take if at all?
How much weight does he need to add or weakpoints he needs to bring up first?
I know a lot of this is probably still pending seeing him dialed in.
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Phil heath was less than 220lbs when he turned pro (I believe about 216lbs on stage). He didn’t really blow up until after he won the NPC.
Many of these guys can go pro at under 220. They just don’t usually stay that size once they make it.
Lee Banks is under 220 but if he goes pro, you might see the same guy over 240.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So what are everyone’s thoughts on him getting his pro card?[/quote]
That it ain’t happenin’ if he is competing against someone like Lee Banks who came in second in '09.[/quote]
I don’t mean limited to this competition.
How long will it take if at all?
How much weight does he need to add or weakpoints he needs to bring up first?
I know a lot of this is probably still pending seeing him dialed in.
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This is all just guessing, but:
Huh… Would probably have to go up a weight-class… And he has some disadvantages:
-Injuries… Hips, Elbow Tendonitis etc… (and both his legs and tris would have to come up I’d say, so this kind of sucks).
-Age: He ain’t exactly the youngest anymore… Not that you need to be young for this these days, but it can be a factor…
-He’s already extremely strong at his current weight. Where’s he going to go from here, especially with his beat-up body? Again, might not be a factor, who knows.
With Kroc it’s so hard to say though. He’s pulled off crazy shit in the past, he might very well surprise everyone.
Pretty sure he’s been bigger before, so going up a weight-class is probably not that much of a feat for him if his body holds up.
I’m not sure if he has the genetics for it though, to be honest (muscle-shape wise). Gotta see him in comp. shape first of course to be able to judge that, and the shape his fellow competitors are in will ultimately determine the level of difficulty.
But damn, there sure are some straight-up beasts competing at NPC level…
Well at least he is going for it. Good for him. Maybe he could have prepared some more and waited longer but at least he tried. Maybe he’ll be last, but he’ll have still beat anyone who didn’t step on the stage.
Instead of going for it, some people around here are preparing themselves right into into the seniors competitions. I’m sure 20 more years of growing will help then dominate. I love how they incorporate walkers into the routine now.
[quote]Rek wrote:
Well at least he is going for it. Good for him. Maybe he could have prepared some more and waited longer but at least he tried. Maybe he’ll be last, but he’ll have still beat anyone who didn’t step on the stage.
Instead of going for it, some people around here are preparing themselves right into into the seniors competitions. I’m sure 20 more years of growing will help then dominate. I love how they incorporate walkers into the routine now.[/quote]
Gee, who is this aimed at?
There is no money in bodybuilding comps unless you are one of the top 6-8 in the entire country/world. Also, even if you do make it to that point, the average length of time for their careers is about 5 years. Maybe, just maybe staying in school is the better option for many even if they do want to be huge.
Victor Richards is my hero in that regard. I can be perfectly happy without ever actually jumping on stage.