Kevin Ogar's Injury

[quote]chobbs wrote:

  1. Glassman is making an enormous profit training people for however much it is, 2 guys at my gym have gotten “certified” and I wouldn’t trust them teaching a broomstick squat.
  2. I’m extremely thankful his team/gym somehow raised money for insurance to take away some of the burden.
    EDIT: Looked up a forum post on TNATION’s sisters website…was kind of disgusting how they were joking about it. [/quote]

I believe that the hospital has donated their time for his surgery. What is gonna kill him without insurance is the extensive rehab and physical therapy. I would encourage everybody who can to donate a couple bucks to his fund.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Once again my faith in humanity has taken a hit. How anyone can say he deserved this because he is an xfitter is just so wrong. [/quote]

Matty, NOBODY is saying he deserved this…this is tragic on a huge scale, I donated to his fund to help pay for his insurance.

But Glassman started this culture that leaks down, Broken necks/Rabdo/Uncle Pukey/SLAP tears ect.

Hell, how can you read his quote and not say he deserves some scrutiny?
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If my crossfit experiences at half a dozen gyms can be extrapolated to a larger picture of crossfit (and admittedly this may not be correct, I can only go by what I’ve seen), the crossfit community has largely moved away from Glassman’s bullshit.

Crossfit gym owners and trainers who I’ve spoken to tend to be embarrassed by him. Things like SLAP tears are still not taken seriously enough, IMO, but Rabdo is largely being recognized as a serious problem. And I’ve never met a person, crossfitter or not, who would support Glassman’s comment on broken necks.[/quote]

Agree on all counts Flip. Two good friends of mine own Crossfit gyms and they try and distance themselves from HQ as far as they can.

I horrible for Ogar, and that’s why I donated money…But the whole culture of “we are crossfit warriors and rules don’t apply to us” needs to GTFO.[/quote]

Crossfit is fine, the bottom half(?)…third(?) … of the Pukey worshiping mouthbreathing Kool Aid drinkers are whats so shitty. With their bragging about stupid injuries and proclaiming CF as the only methodology anyone needs regardless of goals.

What happend to this guy is tragedy which MAY have been contributed to by the poor programing of the particular event. Either way its time for people who love lifting to pony up if they can.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:

  1. Glassman is making an enormous profit training people for however much it is, 2 guys at my gym have gotten “certified” and I wouldn’t trust them teaching a broomstick squat.
  2. I’m extremely thankful his team/gym somehow raised money for insurance to take away some of the burden.
    EDIT: Looked up a forum post on TNATION’s sisters website…was kind of disgusting how they were joking about it. [/quote]

I believe that the hospital has donated their time for his surgery. What is gonna kill him without insurance is the extensive rehab and physical therapy. I would encourage everybody who can to donate a couple bucks to his fund.[/quote]
x 2…thanks for the clarification, you are correct about the rehab

That looked very different than I imagined from the original description, it truly was just a freak accident after all. Hope he recovers, I wouldn’t wish paralysis on anyone.

[quote]red04 wrote:
That looked very different than I imagined from the original description, it truly was just a freak accident after all. Hope he recovers, I wouldn’t wish paralysis on anyone.[/quote]

I agree…freak, but could have been prevented if the platform had proper clearance.

Especially for the 8th workout of the day and 85% snatches for sets of 3.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
That looked very different than I imagined from the original description, it truly was just a freak accident after all. Hope he recovers, I wouldn’t wish paralysis on anyone.[/quote]

I agree…freak, but could have been prevented if the platform had proper clearance.

Especially for the 8th workout of the day and 85% snatches for sets of 3.[/quote]
The bar fell right onto his back before hitting the ground. Those plates had nothing to do with it.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
That looked very different than I imagined from the original description, it truly was just a freak accident after all. Hope he recovers, I wouldn’t wish paralysis on anyone.[/quote]

I agree…freak, but could have been prevented if the platform had proper clearance.

Especially for the 8th workout of the day and 85% snatches for sets of 3.[/quote]
The bar fell right onto his back before hitting the ground. Those plates had nothing to do with it.[/quote]

It looked to me like a ricochet…but I am not watching that vid again.

Oly lifting rules are a 4x4 meter space clear of all debris…I know his space was not that.

The only thing that irritates me is 7 met-con workouts followed by a 3 rep max set of 3x3 snatches…wtf?

I The organizers should have reasonably expected failed reps. It’s not an athlete’s responsibility to do any kind of safety check of the gear or event area to make sure he’s in a safe environment. He’s focused on competing. Stacking bumper plates behind the athlete looks an awful lot like negligence that a boilerplate waiver would not shield them from.

This is the sort of thing that’s consistent with Glassmans “yeah, this stuff can kill you, shit happens,” uncle rhabdo mindset that is reflected from the top-down in @Fit’s culture…in regards to safety and injuries. People are getting seriously injured. Crossfit isn’t going anywhere, there’s too much money to be made. But unless the descriptions of the vid are completely off, they just helped/negligence helped hurt that poor athlete. HQ with all those millions should hold some level of responsibility.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
That looked very different than I imagined from the original description, it truly was just a freak accident after all. Hope he recovers, I wouldn’t wish paralysis on anyone.[/quote]

I agree…freak, but could have been prevented if the platform had proper clearance.

Especially for the 8th workout of the day and 85% snatches for sets of 3.[/quote]
The bar fell right onto his back before hitting the ground. Those plates had nothing to do with it.[/quote]

It looked to me like a ricochet…but I am not watching that vid again.

Oly lifting rules are a 4x4 meter space clear of all debris…I know his space was not that.

The only thing that irritates me is 7 met-con workouts followed by a 3 rep max set of 3x3 snatches…wtf?

I The organizers should have reasonably expected failed reps. It’s not an athlete’s responsibility to do any kind of safety check of the gear or event area to make sure he’s in a safe environment. He’s focused on competing. Stacking bumper plates behind the athlete looks an awful lot like negligence that a boilerplate waiver would not shield them from.

This is the sort of thing that’s consistent with Glassmans “yeah, this stuff can kill you, shit happens,” uncle rhabdo mindset that is reflected from the top-down in @Fit’s culture…in regards to safety and injuries. People are getting seriously injured. Crossfit isn’t going anywhere, there’s too much money to be made. But unless the descriptions of the vid are completely off, they just helped/negligence helped hurt that poor athlete. HQ with all those millions should hold some level of responsibility.[/quote]
It is what it is man.

An injury can happen at any time. It doesn’t matter if it’s his first lift or his last lift. It was a freak thing and sucks. You could die doing bodybuilding workouts, you could die running a marathon, you could die training for powerlifting, you could die training for gymnastics. Training hard isn’t a safe endevour. Anyone who doesn’t know that they are risking their lives and health, however small that risk is, everytime they go to the gym is fooling themselves.

He’s right, unfortunately shit does happen.

IMO, this isn’t a time to throw any blame around. Just my thoughts on it.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
That looked very different than I imagined from the original description, it truly was just a freak accident after all. Hope he recovers, I wouldn’t wish paralysis on anyone.[/quote]

I agree…freak, but could have been prevented if the platform had proper clearance.

Especially for the 8th workout of the day and 85% snatches for sets of 3.[/quote]
The bar fell right onto his back before hitting the ground. Those plates had nothing to do with it.[/quote]

It looked to me like a ricochet…but I am not watching that vid again.

Oly lifting rules are a 4x4 meter space clear of all debris…I know his space was not that.

The only thing that irritates me is 7 met-con workouts followed by a 3 rep max set of 3x3 snatches…wtf?

I The organizers should have reasonably expected failed reps. It’s not an athlete’s responsibility to do any kind of safety check of the gear or event area to make sure he’s in a safe environment. He’s focused on competing. Stacking bumper plates behind the athlete looks an awful lot like negligence that a boilerplate waiver would not shield them from.

This is the sort of thing that’s consistent with Glassmans “yeah, this stuff can kill you, shit happens,” uncle rhabdo mindset that is reflected from the top-down in @Fit’s culture…in regards to safety and injuries. People are getting seriously injured. Crossfit isn’t going anywhere, there’s too much money to be made. But unless the descriptions of the vid are completely off, they just helped/negligence helped hurt that poor athlete. HQ with all those millions should hold some level of responsibility.[/quote]
It is what it is man.

An injury can happen at any time. It doesn’t matter if it’s his first lift or his last lift. It was a freak thing and sucks. You could die doing bodybuilding workouts, you could die running a marathon, you could die training for powerlifting, you could die training for gymnastics. Training hard isn’t a safe endevour. Anyone who doesn’t know that they are risking their lives and health, however small that risk is, everytime they go to the gym is fooling themselves.

He’s right, unfortunately shit does happen.

IMO, this isn’t a time to throw any blame around. Just my thoughts on it.[/quote]

Fair enough Greg, I respect your opinion as always.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
That looked very different than I imagined from the original description, it truly was just a freak accident after all. Hope he recovers, I wouldn’t wish paralysis on anyone.[/quote]

I agree…freak, but could have been prevented if the platform had proper clearance.

Especially for the 8th workout of the day and 85% snatches for sets of 3.[/quote]
The bar fell right onto his back before hitting the ground. Those plates had nothing to do with it.[/quote]

It looked to me like a ricochet…but I am not watching that vid again.

Oly lifting rules are a 4x4 meter space clear of all debris…I know his space was not that.

The only thing that irritates me is 7 met-con workouts followed by a 3 rep max set of 3x3 snatches…wtf?

I The organizers should have reasonably expected failed reps. It’s not an athlete’s responsibility to do any kind of safety check of the gear or event area to make sure he’s in a safe environment. He’s focused on competing. Stacking bumper plates behind the athlete looks an awful lot like negligence that a boilerplate waiver would not shield them from.

This is the sort of thing that’s consistent with Glassmans “yeah, this stuff can kill you, shit happens,” uncle rhabdo mindset that is reflected from the top-down in @Fit’s culture…in regards to safety and injuries. People are getting seriously injured. Crossfit isn’t going anywhere, there’s too much money to be made. But unless the descriptions of the vid are completely off, they just helped/negligence helped hurt that poor athlete. HQ with all those millions should hold some level of responsibility.[/quote]
It is what it is man.

An injury can happen at any time. It doesn’t matter if it’s his first lift or his last lift. It was a freak thing and sucks. You could die doing bodybuilding workouts, you could die running a marathon, you could die training for powerlifting, you could die training for gymnastics. Training hard isn’t a safe endevour. Anyone who doesn’t know that they are risking their lives and health, however small that risk is, everytime they go to the gym is fooling themselves.

He’s right, unfortunately shit does happen.

IMO, this isn’t a time to throw any blame around. Just my thoughts on it.[/quote]

Fair enough Greg, I respect your opinion as always.[/quote]
I think Glassman is a total d bag as well :wink:

Donate a couple of bucks. Pay it forward.

[quote]gregron wrote:
IMO, this isn’t a time to throw any blame around. [/quote]

But if this wasn’t just a freak accident, and could have been prevented, this is the perfect time to throw blame around. Otherwise, the whole thing just gets forgotten only to be repeated down the line.

Maybe with better contest programming Kevin wouldn’t have been as fatigued and not failed on that rep. Maybe stacking the plates in a safer position wouldn’t have caused to barbell to ricochet forward, if indeed that’s what happened. Or maybe it was actually a freak accident that nobody could have foreseen or prevented. I don’t think it’s possible to tell from the video, but if changes can be made that will reduce the risk of injury to athletes, isn’t it worth asking those questions? Or does Crossfit just get a pardon because all physical activity carries an inherent risk?

I’m not having a go at you, and I’m not exploiting this extremely unfortunate incident as a platform for Crossfit hate. Believe me, that’s the last thing I want to do (I’ll leave that for the brotards at you-know-where.com). I’m just saying that Crossfit can be a pretty risky activity, but it doesn’t need to be.

This guy’s health and financial future is wasted now. It would be another waste if the Crossfit community didn’t learn a thing from this and instead wrote it off with its typical blase attitude towards safety. I’d just hate to see something like this happen again if steps could be taken to prevent it.

I pray for a full recovery. He now has a different goal to achieve and I’m sure he will put his heart into it as he did with his training.

I don’t know why people think this couldn’t happen to them. POWERLIFTERS: Lose a bar with 300 lbs on your bench; this could be you. RUNNERS: Out for a 10k and get clipped by some 18 y.o. texting while driving; this could be you. HUNTERS: Fall from a tree stand; this could be you.

All athletes live on the edge; it’s what lets us know we are alive.

I discussed crossfit with my Chiropractor.

He was telling me how his business basically doubled since crossfit became popular.

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I pray for a full recovery. He now has a different goal to achieve and I’m sure he will put his heart into it as he did with his training.

I don’t know why people think this couldn’t happen to them. POWERLIFTERS: Lose a bar with 300 lbs on your bench; this could be you. RUNNERS: Out for a 10k and get clipped by some 18 y.o. texting while driving; this could be you. HUNTERS: Fall from a tree stand; this could be you.

All athletes live on the edge; it’s what lets us know we are alive.[/quote]
Like I said earlier and like this fine gentlemen just said… You’re taking your life into your own hands whenever you undertake any activity and take it to the extremes.

Lose a 350+ pound bench press and drop it on the head/face/neck.
Fail on a max squat attempt of 500-600 pounds could cause the bar to hit your back just right (wrong) as it dumps backwards and you’re paralyzed.
Go for a run while training for the Olympics (already on the Olympic team) and get hit by a car, end up in a coma for 10 days and end your running career (happened to a buddy of mine)

Anything can happen at any time. If worrying about not lifting heavy or hard when you have accumulated some fatigue is a major concern then enjoy utter mediocrity.

This is a long read…but it is written by Patrick McCarty a CrossFit, Masters Athlete, Crossfit Games qualifier and Box owner…sorry for the cut and paste, but i could not link to the site it was posted on.

Kevin Ogar of CrossFit Unbroken is paralyzed from the waist down. He was participating in the OC Throwdown. According to spectator accounts, it was during a 3RM touch-and-go snatch workout that Kevin failed a snatch behind, falling backwards into a sitting position. The bar then struck a pile of 45lb plates stacked behind the platform and bounced back and struck Kevin. It damaged his T11 and T12 vertebrae and severed his spinal cord.

As of this writing, Kevin has no feeling below the waist. I hope and pray this changes.

How Do We Honor Kevin Ogar?

Here is a kid who by all accounts was a super coach, was a gifted athlete, and had his whole life ahead of him. In what can best be described as a freak accident, his career was cut short and he may never walk again.

But was it a freak accident? Itâ??s natural to want to ascribe this to a one-in-a-million situation that could have happened to anyone at anytime. After all, Olympic weightlifters fail reps all the time and itâ??s no secret that bars fall on those athletes. Olympic gold medalist Mathhias Steiner failed a snatch in the 2012 London Games and the bar, weighing 432lbs came crashing down directly on his neck. He was lucky. He walked away.

There is a common theory in aviation accident investigation that most airplane crashes are not the result of a single, catastrophic event, but rather, a series of smaller, almost insignificant events that all lead to the crash. And in that chain, without one of those links, the crash would not have occurred. Yes, there is always a named cause - â??pilot failed to maintain clearance from obstacle resulting in wing strikeâ?? - but usually the chain of events starts much, much earlier. Pilot doesnâ??t get enough sleep, runs late to the airport, pre-flight check is rushed, lack of sleep results in slight lack of focus, and so on. All of those minor incidents create a chain, and at the end of that chain is a catastrophic collision.

We need to start considering the possibility in Kevinâ??s accident that there was a chain of events, any link of which may have simply allowed the event to continue injury free, had that link been removed. Now, please read this caveat carefully: I am not in any way suggesting this is Kevinâ??s fault. Should you be tempted to read blame here, you would be reading incorrectly. There is a big difference between determining cause and assessing blame. What I seek is to start a dialog where we can examine the links in the chain of events that led to this horrible accident. And if that dialog leads to the kind of self-examination that allows for discussion to bring about some positive change, so be it.

How do we honor Kevin Ogar? We talk about what happened.

Contrary to some of the â??how-dare-youâ?? posts on Facebook and other social media suggesting that I and others were disrespecting Kevin by bringing up causation while he was still in surgery, I would suggest that right now is exactly the time to talk about it. Remaining mute on the topic does Kevin no good whatsoever, and building a protecting wall around the sport only serves to put off the inevitable. Itâ??s a conversation we must have. What happened? And could it have been prevented?

CrossFit Competitions Are Different

CrossFit competitions are different then weightlifting meets. At weightlifting meets, lifters execute exactly six lifts with sufficient rest in between. Three snatches, three clean and jerks. CrossFit competitions, especially those of the notoriety of the OC Throwdown, serve up day after day of brutal workouts. In 2010 this event had four workouts. In 2014, there were nine workouts, and if you count the three individual workouts that comprised the ninth workout, there were actually eleven total. The snatch workout in which Kevin was injured was the eight workout of the weekend.

What we have seen in these weekend competitions is a trend toward ass-kicking beat-downs. I have experienced it. So have many others. What started as tests of fitness have now almost become tests of sheer force of will. Sheer survival. One of the workouts at the OC Throwdown was even called Welcome to Hell.

What happens to athletes who go through a series of tortuous workouts day after day is that their central nervous system begins to suffer. Many CrossFitters will refer to this as their â??CNS being trashed.â?? Every workout requires athletes to dig, hard, into their energy systems to properly provide fuel, muscle contraction, and neurological firing to perform. Think of your body as a battery. After workout number one, youâ??ve depleted your battery to, say, 80%. You can rest between workouts and refuel, but you will not, under any circumstances, begin workout number two with a 100% recharged battery. Your body doesnâ??t work that way.

Maybe the rest between WODS and the refueling brings you back to 95%, which is sufficient for the next workout. The pattern continues until workout number eight. By this time, and presumably on day three of the OC Throwdown, an athleteâ??s CNS is sufficiently battered such that there will be effects. Those effects may be manifested as complete exhaustion, or something much more subtle, like a slower reaction time.

A slower reaction time for something as technical as a very heavy snatch may be the difference between making the lift and missing the lift. Anyone who has ever snatched knows the feeling of things not clicking. Imagine trying to execute this lift with 235lbs on day three of a brutal series of workouts.

Link #1: Programming

So perhaps itâ??s plausible to say that link number one in the chain of events is programming. Programming that is sufficiently difficult so as to take the edge off even the best athleteâ??s game by day three, depleting the battery and leaving the reaction time slowed.

I am not saying this is what occurred. I am introducing it as a possibility. This trend of brutality-based workouts in competitions is concerning. Think about it: the CrossFit Games began as a two-day, four-workout campfire. It has now grown to no less than five days of competitive events, many of which would stand alone as a competition. Many of these larger weekend throwdowns are following suit. Why?

Because the only way to attract the big talent, the big sponsors, and the big crowds is to serve up a bigger event with more hype, more swearing, more torn calluses, and more blood. Weâ??re verging on gladiator mentality when we market events with â??nine bone-crushing WODS that will leave you on the floor begging for mercy.â??

The challenge to event organizers is simple. Remember what youâ??re testing: fitness.

Link #2: Organization

Link number two in the chain may well be the placement of the plates. A stack of four 45lb plates sat directly behind the platform on which Kevin was lifting. Now, in a perfect world, there would not be any plates within striking distance of a falling bar. We all know the violent whiplash that a bar striking an odd-shaped object on the floor can have. What ordinarily is a subtle bounce off the floor becomes a violent ricochet.

It appears that the bar fell behind Kevin as he fell into a seated position, hit the plates and bounced back directly into his back. I have seen the video and what you see is the bar hit the plates, the plates shift, and a split second later, Kevin reacts sharply and violently, as though heâ??s been shot. The decision to place plates so close to the lifter can potentially be identified as a link in the chain. Remove the plates, remove the link, and the accident doesnâ??t happen - if, in fact, it was the bounce off the plates that caused the injury. We may never know.

There are likely many other, small, almost imperceptible links in the chain - human decisions that were made on that day that, but for the full chain of events, would likely have allowed Kevinâ??s day to go on just like any other. Accidents will happen. But it is our duty to vigorously examine the cause of those accidents to ascertain why they occurred and do whatever it takes to make sure it doesnâ??t happen again.

Again, I Ask: How Do We Honor Kevin Ogar?

By making sure.

By asking the hard questions.

By demanding some logic and accountability on the part of event organizers to think. To create a vision for events that showcases the true talents of CrossFit athletes - a vision that does not create a last-man-standing culture that requires athletes to be beaten to a pulp.

By insisting that event organizers stop trying to top last yearâ??s adjective with a newer, more hyperbolic one.

By working diligently to ensure that whenever possible, to the extent possible, the chain is broken. That redundant safety measures are put into place. That contingencies are planned for. And that these event organizers, many of whom may be in well over their heads by virtue of the sheer explosive growth of the events themselves, put athletes over ego, safety over hype, and invest in learning how to create an event that allows everyone to walk away feeling as though the fittest person prevailed.

We have a man down. Burying our heads in the sand dishonors him. Digging deep to locate the weak link in the chain honors not only him, but protects those who aspire to be like him.

Kevinâ??s medical bills will run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not a lifetime of bills. Here is your chance to come together.

There must be a different video of the event?

Because the video posted here in no way shows a bar bouncing off of the stacked plates and hitting him in the back. I’ve watched it at least 15 times… Am I the only one not seeing that?

I know the video is edited (the “glitch” part) so maybe they cut that bouncing part out so it doesn’t look bad on the gym? I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the case but their has to be a better video that everyone keeps using as reference for this bounce scenario?

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I pray for a full recovery. He now has a different goal to achieve and I’m sure he will put his heart into it as he did with his training.

I don’t know why people think this couldn’t happen to them. POWERLIFTERS: Lose a bar with 300 lbs on your bench; this could be you. RUNNERS: Out for a 10k and get clipped by some 18 y.o. texting while driving; this could be you. HUNTERS: Fall from a tree stand; this could be you.

All athletes live on the edge; it’s what lets us know we are alive.[/quote]

Anything can happen at any time. If worrying about not lifting heavy or hard when you have accumulated some fatigue is a major concern then enjoy utter mediocrity.[/quote]
Completely Agree!
This shit never happens on the couch with a bag of chips between your legs.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I pray for a full recovery. He now has a different goal to achieve and I’m sure he will put his heart into it as he did with his training.

I don’t know why people think this couldn’t happen to them. POWERLIFTERS: Lose a bar with 300 lbs on your bench; this could be you. RUNNERS: Out for a 10k and get clipped by some 18 y.o. texting while driving; this could be you. HUNTERS: Fall from a tree stand; this could be you.

All athletes live on the edge; it’s what lets us know we are alive.[/quote]
Like I said earlier and like this fine gentlemen just said… You’re taking your life into your own hands whenever you undertake any activity and take it to the extremes.

Lose a 350+ pound bench press and drop it on the head/face/neck.
Fail on a max squat attempt of 500-600 pounds could cause the bar to hit your back just right (wrong) as it dumps backwards and you’re paralyzed.
Go for a run while training for the Olympics (already on the Olympic team) and get hit by a car, end up in a coma for 10 days and end your running career (happened to a buddy of mine)

Anything can happen at any time. If worrying about not lifting heavy or hard when you have accumulated some fatigue is a major concern then enjoy utter mediocrity.[/quote]

Eric Cressey had a saying:

Live life the wrong way and you’ll end up in the cardiologists office.

Live life the right way and you’ll end up in orthopedist’s office [at some point].

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I discussed crossfit with my Chiropractor.

He was telling me how his business basically doubled since crossfit became popular.

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Well yeah…and did he tell you why? Because crossfit isn’t really made for beginner exercise enthusiasts like it says it is. It’s made for intermediate to high level athletes of some form.

If a person has no idea how to even squat properly and they think they’re just gonna walk into a crossfit gym and have all their probelms solved then they deserve those trips to the chiro. (they do not deserve to have happen what happened to this guy…no one does)

I know 2 crossfit trainers.

  1. is a highly technical highly educated beast, who imo shouldn’t be a crossfit coach but should be a pro athlete trainer.
  2. is a fucking moron that I had a hard enough time believing he passed highschool. He has no eduction in physical science or anything else other than he took that crossfit trainer course.