Ketosis Frustration!

Nutrition
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Filmmakker what do you think of this then?

I weight train 5 mornings a week - Monday&Tuesday 4x8, Wednesday&Thursday&Friday 5x4. I do interval work before weights - total time in gym about an hour and a half per day. I also play rugby, so yes I am fit.

The diet is as follows:
6.15am 4 x Nitrik (I don’t think these things do anything, but will finish the cycle)
6.45am 2 x scoops BSN NOXPlode
7am - Cardio and weights
8.30am - 1 x scoop BSN CellMass - imediate post-workout
8.50am - 1 x scoop ASN HP-100 + 2 tbls sustegen

Meal 1:
9.15am - 4 x egg (1 yoke), cherry tomatoes, spring oinion, garlic, mushroom and cheese (Weight Watchers) ommlett

  • 1/2 cup of oatmeal - 3/4 light vitasoy milk - 1/2 tbl flaxseed oil

10am - 3000mg fish oil, multivitamin, glocosmine

Meal 2:
11am - 1 x tuna tempta

  • 1 x cup mixed nuts

12.30pm - 4 x BSN Nitrik

Meal 3:
1pm - 150-200g steam chicken thigh fillets and salad (lettice, tomatoe etc)

  • 1 x can Coke zero

Meal 4:
3pm - 1 x Samon tempta

  • 1 x boiled egg white

Meal 5:
6.30pm - 150-200g steak (normally beef or kangaroo) and steamed vegies (snow peas, baby carrots etc etc)

  • 1 x glass red wine or coke zero

8.30pm - 4 x BSN Nitirk

Meal 6:
9pm - 1 x scoop BSN CellMass

  • 1 x scoop Protein drink
  • 2 x tbls Weight Watchers cottage cheese + 1 tbl flaxseed oil.

Snack - beef jerky

2-3 liters of water, hardly any coffee or tea.

Carbs daily: approx 100g training days, 70g on non-training days.
Protein daily: Approx 250-300g.

Going for the high good fat, protein, low carbs etc etc etc.

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http://www.ketosystem.com.au

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Seems like a good diet to me. More like a T-dawg diet.

But if you want to get into ketosis, and stay there, I can almost guarantee you you’ll want to take in less protein, and carbs. But again, I’m not a fan of ketosis ANYMORE, so try that out see how it works, I’m going to follow CT’s diet see how that goes.

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I’m eating carbs for breakfast… oatmeal or whatever, and then going nearly carbless the rest of my day.

So, I don’t expect lethargy or brain fog, but I do expect to burn fats from about lunch time until the next breakfast.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m eating carbs for breakfast… oatmeal or whatever, and then going nearly carbless the rest of my day.

So, I don’t expect lethargy or brain fog, but I do expect to burn fats from about lunch time until the next breakfast.
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I’d say it takes longer to get to actually burning fat as your primary source of energy (aka Ketosis).

I think I’m in Ketosis now, but I’m not really sure I’m willing to test again as Ketostix are expensive.

I’m not getting hungry, sothat is a good sign.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m eating carbs for breakfast… oatmeal or whatever, and then going nearly carbless the rest of my day.

So, I don’t expect lethargy or brain fog, but I do expect to burn fats from about lunch time until the next breakfast.
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Usually people stay away from slow burning carbs such as oatmeal. Different people have different levels of tolerance with carbs, one can get in with 100g of carbs, other 50g, other cant even get in with <5g (Me).

But I can almost guarantee you now, if you’re eating a good amount of oatmeal in the morning, you most likely aren’t in ketosis during the evening.

but again, you may be doing intense exercise, weights, hiit, i don’t know.

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Oops, sorry, I’m not shooting for ketosis, I’m just shooting for reasonably low insulin levels.

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yeah, but he wouldn’t be doing it everyday Filmmakerr.

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right.

I’m gonna go 50/50 on my fats/proteins at the start of next week. F’ ketosis, lol.

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lol. I almost did that today. Cutting my protein off tommorow, and thursday when I train thursday

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
lol. I almost did that today. Cutting my protein off tommorow, and thursday when I train thursday[/quote]

how low do you go on protein? god, I love protein, when I went 120g it was hard on my body.

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I hit about 200g or so today. Give or take.

I’m realy looking to hit around 160g.

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
I hit about 200g or so today. Give or take.

I’m realy looking to hit around 160g.[/quote]

Yeah, I personally wanna stay at 1g per 1lb of bodyweight, I think anything more in terms of fat loss is worthless. Thats more than enough to preserve muscle, and the fat intake should be high enough for your body to be fat adapted.

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hopefully =D haha

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I stoppped dropping water weight @ 199lbs. Woke up this morning @ 198.5, so half lb of not water. Testing for ketosis tonight.

I should be in.

hows the new lowcarb going?

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I weigh 185 and I’m taking in 250 grams of protein and 166g of fat a day.

What’s with limiting the protein in the absence of carbs? Just make sure you’re protein intake is lower than fat and you’re good to go. After a while, if fat loss stalls, drop the fat intake gradually.

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havn’t completely started a program yet, just depleting. This is my week off weights, and I’m eating about 100-150g of protein a day, the rest fats/veggies, trying to keep carbs under 30g. I just came back from a good week break, its hard to jump into a healthy lifestyle, so im binging on lettuce and cucumbers, lol. Sun/Mon I start my program t’ll the end of december, I’m looking to drop 30-40 pounds.

Maybe even go on the velocity diet after 10-12 weeks of low carbing.

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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
I weigh 185 and I’m taking in 250 grams of protein and 166g of fat a day.

What’s with limiting the protein in the absence of carbs? Just make sure you’re protein intake is lower than fat and you’re good to go. After a while, if fat loss stalls, drop the fat intake gradually.[/quote]

Protein spikes insulin like carbs do at a 58% rate.

Which is why protein is low on a keto-style diet.

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[quote]Filmmakerr wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
I weigh 185 and I’m taking in 250 grams of protein and 166g of fat a day.

What’s with limiting the protein in the absence of carbs? Just make sure you’re protein intake is lower than fat and you’re good to go. After a while, if fat loss stalls, drop the fat intake gradually.

Protein spikes insulin like carbs do at a 58% rate.

Which is why protein is low on a keto-style diet. [/quote]

It can be low but you still want the calories that it provides. Like CT says in his refined physique transformation program, “if you begin with low calories, you don’t have anywhere to go when fat-loss stalls.”

Start high with both fat and protein high and with NO carbs. Adjust accordingly once fat adapted.

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tis true, I’m hitting around 200 lately, but I’m also following my S&C coachs advice : eat for the next 3hrs of your life, and that puts me low on kcals somedays because one of my jobs is editing and that is a sitdown job.

I tested for ketosis just now, and I was in between 15-40 on the marker, so I guess thats good.