Hot late teens and eearlytwenties girls only go after older dudes for cash…
And on top of that while she’s with the older guy in a relationship…she’s getting her teat torn up by a young dude she met at the computer lab…[/quote]
I can affirm what she wrote is true as I once went out with one of my computer lab partners who was married to an older man.
She had access to the lab on campus, open past normal building hours, and yes her teat was torn as her academic integrity was tested throughout that semester.
It would have lasted past Christmas break but as some of you know Asian men are smaller in some areas, at least that’s what she whispered to me the last time we lay sweating, exhausted on mouse pads strewn around the floor.
Not even sure if this is appropriate conversation here. I never told her I wasn’t Asian. I still have one mouse pad,it swings from my rear view mirror.
It skewed my perception of married women after I saw him pick her up after class. Its hard to cope with the ups and downs of a married female lab partner and not push too hard. That’s what she said.
…well there’s the doorbell, probably my protein shake delivery … I start each morning with 5 or 6 situps and a reduced fat turkey chili protein drink.
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
i think you answered your own question–if you want sex without dating, go after the girls with reduced inhibitions. As far as girls your age goes… ignore age. i don’t care (above 18 of course) and neither do they. i lied about my age for a little while. Eventually the lies got too difficult to keep track of, so i started telling the truth. If anything my appeal increased! maybe there’s something to the whole honesty thing… less to remember for sure.
and sexual market value!? holy crap that was funny. my last gf (11 years younger–she obviously didn’t care) would lose her fucking mind if she were to read that. [/quote]
You can print this out and if you want to see a shitstorm of epic proportions, drop it into a group of women.
After 10 minutes you will be semi convinced that you actually are gay/a loser/cant get laid/dates only sluts/have a pencil dick/ live in your moms basement.
That is if they are sober.
If drunk, they will probably kill you. [/quote]
What the hell does that graph even say? I cannot read it even when I click on it.[/quote]
The pink curve is the SMV of women the blue one that of men.
30 is about the age when the two intersect and men slowly gain the upper hand.
FYI interest here is what some women would like to believe it looks like.
I have no problem with you trying the best you can be.
Anyone who tries to kick the fate others accept in quiet desperation square in the nuts make me want to see him succeed. [/quote]
I think “the fate [you] accept in quiet desperation” led me to believe that you may be unhappy. lol[/quote]
Alright, so you took the one post that was decidedly positive and interpreted in a way that made you post that I am an little bit on the slow side, my sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel and that I am like a schoolboy in need of soothing.
I think that is a fair assessement, here is my interpretation:
Women are very quick to see any form of kindness as a sign of weakness and then go very quickly for the kill, using emasculation and sexual shaming.
You can look at your posts and what social position you assume towards while trying to “comfort” me and what position that necessarily puts me in for you being able to hold yours.
Then there is evidence B, this article:
It is one of an infinite amount. Notice that the entire focus of the article, written by a woman what is wrong with men. Notice also the iterations of the two main themes, emasculation and sexual shaming. Finally, notice how not one thought is wasted on the idea that the problem could be them.
I do not expect to convince you, but I have hopes that you become just uneasy enough so that you go through a few articles by women lamenting the lack of “good men” and once you see the pattern, go look in the real world.
See if there is something to it.
Bonus points when you find out when exactly that pattern occurs, there are triggers. [/quote]
I’m not sure what you think I’m saying, orion, but it is NOT that there are no good men! I believe I’ve stated that I adore the guy I’m with. I’ve positively gushed about his kindness and decency and I don’t find him even the slightest bit weak or feminine. I believe I may have gushed about my, um, sexual admiration for him elsewhere on these boards. Honestly, I don’t think anyone has ever heard me bash men as a group, nor do I bash women as a group. If I hear women saying “there are no good men” they get the same thing from me that you have, which is disagreement that the group is somehow flawed and the suggestion that something they are doing is drawing the bad apples. If a woman says after years of dating that there are no good men, I would offer that this is bullshit and that something about HER is alienating the good guys. Presumably her unpleasantness.
My social position is meaningless to me with regards to you. Why would you think I care about putting you down? Or anyone. I haven’t said you’re “a little bit on the slow side,” haven’t suggested that your “sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel,” or said anything to suggest that you are “like a schoolboy” (???) “in need of soothing.” Your desire to see me as emasculating you is your thing, not mine. I find your framing of things this way rather icky, to be honest. A little schoolboy?? Ew.
What I did say is that your insistence on angrily maintaining negative assumptions seems foolish to me and causes me to question your intelligence. I’ve read articles like the one you’ve linked and thought about what they mean. I’ve read a great deal of PUA literature and I’ve read what posters like Uncle Gabby and Angry Chicken have to say with great interest for some time now. I’m curious and I like to understand the perspectives of others, particularly if I believe them to be intellectually honest (i.e. believing what they believe but open to the perspectives of others, rather than bent only on “winning” some imagined fight).
I suggested that you are selecting for traits in women that bring you women you don’t trust or respect. Surface indicators of youth, for example, as opposed to selecting for traits you might admire more. Honor, for example. I would say the same thing to women who are consistently disappointed in relationships. I have recently, in fact, to a cousin, who likes “bad boys.” Bikers. That’s what she selects for. Not that there’s anything wrong with bikers (or women who dress up and go to clubs), it’s just that there should be more to it than that. If you want depth, you have to look for depth.
That YOU don’t like the women you hang with is not ME sexually shaming you. There’s no way you could shame me with regard to my choice of men, because I like him so much and find him sexy as hell. My cousin, upon seeing a news clip of my boyfriend, made a face and asked me what I see in him. Um, eyes that sparkle with humor and intelligence? Hands that do lovely things to me? Funny, stick-up-y hair and a good nose? I’m not sure what SHE saw when she looked at my boyfriend. She certainly didn’t seem impressed! But her most recent boyfriend didn’t work out for her after a few weeks and neither did the one before him and once, several years ago, while I was visiting her city, she had to cancel plans because her ex-husband had been arrested for assault. But yeah. Bad boys FTW!
Anyway, I don’t disagree with you with regard to rotten, embittered women. I merely suggest that there are rotten, embittered men as well and offer my hope that you’ll choose not to be one.[/quote]
Would you please, please, look at your actual posts and how they contrast to the claims in this one.
Hell, I will do it for you:
Then you might want to look into female sollipsism and then, yet again, into what you just wrote.
-She’s ^ sharp.
-That graph … sure. I’d like to see superimposed a plot added for how jaded one is about the opposite sex (still as a function of age). [/quote]
Clever.
The SMV of men goes up with age to a large degree because they have been “jaded”.
They are more reluctant to enter a long term relationship, therefore the price of male attention and the emotional security it provides rises.
It is just that men are jaded with ever increasing options whereas women are jaded with a rapidly closing window.
The result can be highschool all over again, just with reversed roles.
I have no problem with you trying the best you can be.
Anyone who tries to kick the fate others accept in quiet desperation square in the nuts make me want to see him succeed. [/quote]
I think “the fate [you] accept in quiet desperation” led me to believe that you may be unhappy. lol[/quote]
Alright, so you took the one post that was decidedly positive and interpreted in a way that made you post that I am an little bit on the slow side, my sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel and that I am like a schoolboy in need of soothing.
I think that is a fair assessement, here is my interpretation:
Women are very quick to see any form of kindness as a sign of weakness and then go very quickly for the kill, using emasculation and sexual shaming.
You can look at your posts and what social position you assume towards while trying to “comfort” me and what position that necessarily puts me in for you being able to hold yours.
Then there is evidence B, this article:
It is one of an infinite amount. Notice that the entire focus of the article, written by a woman what is wrong with men. Notice also the iterations of the two main themes, emasculation and sexual shaming. Finally, notice how not one thought is wasted on the idea that the problem could be them.
I do not expect to convince you, but I have hopes that you become just uneasy enough so that you go through a few articles by women lamenting the lack of “good men” and once you see the pattern, go look in the real world.
See if there is something to it.
Bonus points when you find out when exactly that pattern occurs, there are triggers. [/quote]
I’m not sure what you think I’m saying, orion, but it is NOT that there are no good men! I believe I’ve stated that I adore the guy I’m with. I’ve positively gushed about his kindness and decency and I don’t find him even the slightest bit weak or feminine. I believe I may have gushed about my, um, sexual admiration for him elsewhere on these boards. Honestly, I don’t think anyone has ever heard me bash men as a group, nor do I bash women as a group. If I hear women saying “there are no good men” they get the same thing from me that you have, which is disagreement that the group is somehow flawed and the suggestion that something they are doing is drawing the bad apples. If a woman says after years of dating that there are no good men, I would offer that this is bullshit and that something about HER is alienating the good guys. Presumably her unpleasantness.
My social position is meaningless to me with regards to you. Why would you think I care about putting you down? Or anyone. I haven’t said you’re “a little bit on the slow side,” haven’t suggested that your “sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel,” or said anything to suggest that you are “like a schoolboy” (???) “in need of soothing.” Your desire to see me as emasculating you is your thing, not mine. I find your framing of things this way rather icky, to be honest. A little schoolboy?? Ew.
What I did say is that your insistence on angrily maintaining negative assumptions seems foolish to me and causes me to question your intelligence. I’ve read articles like the one you’ve linked and thought about what they mean. I’ve read a great deal of PUA literature and I’ve read what posters like Uncle Gabby and Angry Chicken have to say with great interest for some time now. I’m curious and I like to understand the perspectives of others, particularly if I believe them to be intellectually honest (i.e. believing what they believe but open to the perspectives of others, rather than bent only on “winning” some imagined fight).
I suggested that you are selecting for traits in women that bring you women you don’t trust or respect. Surface indicators of youth, for example, as opposed to selecting for traits you might admire more. Honor, for example. I would say the same thing to women who are consistently disappointed in relationships. I have recently, in fact, to a cousin, who likes “bad boys.” Bikers. That’s what she selects for. Not that there’s anything wrong with bikers (or women who dress up and go to clubs), it’s just that there should be more to it than that. If you want depth, you have to look for depth.
That YOU don’t like the women you hang with is not ME sexually shaming you. There’s no way you could shame me with regard to my choice of men, because I like him so much and find him sexy as hell. My cousin, upon seeing a news clip of my boyfriend, made a face and asked me what I see in him. Um, eyes that sparkle with humor and intelligence? Hands that do lovely things to me? Funny, stick-up-y hair and a good nose? I’m not sure what SHE saw when she looked at my boyfriend. She certainly didn’t seem impressed! But her most recent boyfriend didn’t work out for her after a few weeks and neither did the one before him and once, several years ago, while I was visiting her city, she had to cancel plans because her ex-husband had been arrested for assault. But yeah. Bad boys FTW!
Anyway, I don’t disagree with you with regard to rotten, embittered women. I merely suggest that there are rotten, embittered men as well and offer my hope that you’ll choose not to be one.[/quote]
Would you please, please, look at your actual posts and how they contrast to the claims in this one.
Hell, I will do it for you:
Then you might want to look into female sollipsism and then, yet again, into what you just wrote.
[/quote]
Drawing an analogy is not the same as calling you a little schoolboy. I’m just glad I didn’t draw a comparison to women who don’t change their oil and then get angry because their car never runs well. Imagine how emasculating that would have been for you.
Do you disagree that solid people are not basket cases, regardless of age? Do you disagree that solid = solid while flaky = flaky? What is it you’re arguing here, aside from that I am designed by nature to try to keep you down? Are you saying that solid = flaky?
If I, as a lifter, said that I always mess up my shoulder doing overhead presses, should I be offended if you offered suggestions to improve the issue? I suspect the advice to me would be that I should work on my form. Which would be fair and valid and I would be grateful to have the feedback. I can’t even imagine being offended because you’ve questioned my skill as a lifter. If it’s not going well it’s not going well!
How about if I were one of the “fat is genetic” whiners, and wanted sympathy because it’s not about my behavior even though no, I don’t work out and yes, I do eat a lot of fast food? Would you be all “yeah, that sucks, I’d be angry, too” or would you be more like “you might try cleaning up your diet and seeing about working out,” because the people I know who do that don’t look like you do or report the frustration you do.
Of course I’d probably be angry and defensive because if I were one of the “fat is genetic” whiners I’d have an emotional investment in maintaining my belief system (not me, nothing I can do, genetic and that’s that). I’m not sure why that particular group is so married to their belief system, as it strikes me as a source of unhappiness, but for whatever reason they are. They certainly don’t want to hear “try doing what I do, I think it would probably work for you just as it has for me!”
[quote]Chushin wrote:
BTW, if “they are all wired the same,” how do you explain those of us who have found women so radically different from what you describe?
[/quote]
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Orion, since you chose to ignore my post, allow me to ask you directly:
As far as you can objectively tell, how much of your view arises out of having been seriously hurt by some woman / women ?[/quote]
I did not feel that I had ignored anything.
To answer your question, all of it.
However, I dont see that as relevant, usually men grow up trying to please their mommy and since there are a lot of single moms out there and there are more female teachers than man, most men can hit college without having had any positive male authority figure in their lifes.
Those men are bound to get hurt, I was no exception and this is when you start to reassess the world around you.
I would not describe myself as mortally wounded, I would describe my experiences as growing pains. [/quote]
ALL of your views on women have arisen out of hurt, but you don’t think that your perspective is less than objective? Really?
C’mon Orion; there’s evidence of trauma-induced thinking throughout what you write.
I don’t know much about you, but it sure seems like you’ve been hurt by some woman or women, and this angry (if intellectualized) mysoginy of yours is the result. It’s not like such defense mechanisms are rare, you know.
BTW, if “they are all wired the same,” how do you explain those of us who have found women so radically different from what you describe?
[/quote]
Look, I am closing in on 40.
I know, roughly what I am and what I am not.
What I am, among other things is utterly unemotional when I absorb data, statitics, anectotes, literature, whatever, in a frenty and after some ruminating I am also absolutely unemotional drawing my conclusions.
Since I know how both my personality traits and how my sub intelligences are distributed, and both were done by trained professionels, I am as close to a born analyst as you can possibly get.
I dont feel anything at this stage, afterwards I might get emotional, but I usually get over it.
So, this whole “you were hurt thing” does not compute.
It has little influence on my conclusions.
The best that gets out of me is mild annoyance because you focus on what to me are trivialities when what fascinates me deeply is in which specific circumstances I was hurt, in what precise manner and how that provides data for the overall picture.
Its like me analyzing a play that lead to a running back get hurt and you are emoting how terrible that must have felt for him.
Thanks I guess, but that is not how I roll.
So, why does it work with your wife?
Statistically speaking, she must not have had too many partners before you married and the ones she had were longterm and not drunken hook ups, there should be a SMV difference slightly in your favor and you are instinctively manly enough to push her buttons, maybe with a little exotic appeal thrown in the mix, also working in your favor.
When I say that women are emotional opportunists I do not say that they change their emotions like the wind, if you give her no reasons to and if no biological imperative overrides it you will live happily ever after.
Congrats.
Also, I do not even understand the reason for the question, a Shetland pony and a pure bred Arab race horse are also wired the same way, they are still not the same ride.
I have no problem with you trying the best you can be.
Anyone who tries to kick the fate others accept in quiet desperation square in the nuts make me want to see him succeed. [/quote]
I think “the fate [you] accept in quiet desperation” led me to believe that you may be unhappy. lol[/quote]
Alright, so you took the one post that was decidedly positive and interpreted in a way that made you post that I am an little bit on the slow side, my sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel and that I am like a schoolboy in need of soothing.
I think that is a fair assessement, here is my interpretation:
Women are very quick to see any form of kindness as a sign of weakness and then go very quickly for the kill, using emasculation and sexual shaming.
You can look at your posts and what social position you assume towards while trying to “comfort” me and what position that necessarily puts me in for you being able to hold yours.
Then there is evidence B, this article:
It is one of an infinite amount. Notice that the entire focus of the article, written by a woman what is wrong with men. Notice also the iterations of the two main themes, emasculation and sexual shaming. Finally, notice how not one thought is wasted on the idea that the problem could be them.
I do not expect to convince you, but I have hopes that you become just uneasy enough so that you go through a few articles by women lamenting the lack of “good men” and once you see the pattern, go look in the real world.
See if there is something to it.
Bonus points when you find out when exactly that pattern occurs, there are triggers. [/quote]
I’m not sure what you think I’m saying, orion, but it is NOT that there are no good men! I believe I’ve stated that I adore the guy I’m with. I’ve positively gushed about his kindness and decency and I don’t find him even the slightest bit weak or feminine. I believe I may have gushed about my, um, sexual admiration for him elsewhere on these boards. Honestly, I don’t think anyone has ever heard me bash men as a group, nor do I bash women as a group. If I hear women saying “there are no good men” they get the same thing from me that you have, which is disagreement that the group is somehow flawed and the suggestion that something they are doing is drawing the bad apples. If a woman says after years of dating that there are no good men, I would offer that this is bullshit and that something about HER is alienating the good guys. Presumably her unpleasantness.
My social position is meaningless to me with regards to you. Why would you think I care about putting you down? Or anyone. I haven’t said you’re “a little bit on the slow side,” haven’t suggested that your “sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel,” or said anything to suggest that you are “like a schoolboy” (???) “in need of soothing.” Your desire to see me as emasculating you is your thing, not mine. I find your framing of things this way rather icky, to be honest. A little schoolboy?? Ew.
What I did say is that your insistence on angrily maintaining negative assumptions seems foolish to me and causes me to question your intelligence. I’ve read articles like the one you’ve linked and thought about what they mean. I’ve read a great deal of PUA literature and I’ve read what posters like Uncle Gabby and Angry Chicken have to say with great interest for some time now. I’m curious and I like to understand the perspectives of others, particularly if I believe them to be intellectually honest (i.e. believing what they believe but open to the perspectives of others, rather than bent only on “winning” some imagined fight).
I suggested that you are selecting for traits in women that bring you women you don’t trust or respect. Surface indicators of youth, for example, as opposed to selecting for traits you might admire more. Honor, for example. I would say the same thing to women who are consistently disappointed in relationships. I have recently, in fact, to a cousin, who likes “bad boys.” Bikers. That’s what she selects for. Not that there’s anything wrong with bikers (or women who dress up and go to clubs), it’s just that there should be more to it than that. If you want depth, you have to look for depth.
That YOU don’t like the women you hang with is not ME sexually shaming you. There’s no way you could shame me with regard to my choice of men, because I like him so much and find him sexy as hell. My cousin, upon seeing a news clip of my boyfriend, made a face and asked me what I see in him. Um, eyes that sparkle with humor and intelligence? Hands that do lovely things to me? Funny, stick-up-y hair and a good nose? I’m not sure what SHE saw when she looked at my boyfriend. She certainly didn’t seem impressed! But her most recent boyfriend didn’t work out for her after a few weeks and neither did the one before him and once, several years ago, while I was visiting her city, she had to cancel plans because her ex-husband had been arrested for assault. But yeah. Bad boys FTW!
Anyway, I don’t disagree with you with regard to rotten, embittered women. I merely suggest that there are rotten, embittered men as well and offer my hope that you’ll choose not to be one.[/quote]
Would you please, please, look at your actual posts and how they contrast to the claims in this one.
Hell, I will do it for you:
Then you might want to look into female sollipsism and then, yet again, into what you just wrote.
[/quote]
Drawing an analogy is not the same as calling you a little schoolboy. I’m just glad I didn’t draw a comparison to women who don’t change their oil and then get angry because their car never runs well. Imagine how emasculating that would have been for you.
Do you disagree that solid people are not basket cases, regardless of age? Do you disagree that solid = solid while flaky = flaky? What is it you’re arguing here, aside from that I am designed by nature to try to keep you down? Are you saying that solid = flaky?
If I, as a lifter, said that I always mess up my shoulder doing overhead presses, should I be offended if you offered suggestions to improve the issue? I suspect the advice to me would be that I should work on my form. Which would be fair and valid and I would be grateful to have the feedback. I can’t even imagine being offended because you’ve questioned my skill as a lifter. If it’s not going well it’s not going well!
How about if I were one of the “fat is genetic” whiners, and wanted sympathy because it’s not about my behavior even though no, I don’t work out and yes, I do eat a lot of fast food? Would you be all “yeah, that sucks, I’d be angry, too” or would you be more like “you might try cleaning up your diet and seeing about working out,” because the people I know who do that don’t look like you do or report the frustration you do.
Of course I’d probably be angry and defensive because if I were one of the “fat is genetic” whiners I’d have an emotional investment in maintaining my belief system (not me, nothing I can do, genetic and that’s that). I’m not sure why that particular group is so married to their belief system, as it strikes me as a source of unhappiness, but for whatever reason they are. They certainly don’t want to hear “try doing what I do, I think it would probably work for you just as it has for me!”
But anyway, off to work I go.[/quote]
Where do you get flaky from?
Look at my post to Chushin, emotional opportunism =/= flaky.
Lets take this to another arena.
A lot of people have problems with Goulds punctuated equilibrium hypothesis.
A lion, as it is now has of course a genome that is constantly in flux.
So people ask, why does he not evolve?
Because he is already the best lion he can be, given his surroundings.
HOWEVER, the very second his surroundings change, the lion genome as a whole will select for something different which might look entirely differently.
The ever fickle lion genome is always ready to change, but it only does so if it has to.
It is opportunistic so to speak.
If a woman is at a point in her life where she knows she probably has the best deal she can get, her emotions wont guide her in another way, if something happens, like a sudden drop in status of her companion, they will.
That however can be influenced by the woman, by not fucking around with men who will only fuck her so that she does not get delusions that she is a hard 8 because she is only fucking hard 8s, she can actually have been in a LTR, so that she knows some of the pitfalls awaiting her and how to actually keep a man, a skill quite distinct from getting him, she can have worked out so that she actually can attract a man she deems worthy and so further and so on.
Still the basic wiring but at least a semi enlightened use of it.
And, if she gets as close to perfection as she can with the cards given to her, her inner wiring will let her run a steady course, there is no reason for it to compell her to search for someone better.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
BTW, if “they are all wired the same,” how do you explain those of us who have found women so radically different from what you describe?
[/quote]
The same way some people win the lottery.[/quote]
Na, we have a longer leash that other animals, so we have more wiggle room.
both sexes become jaded about the other–to such an extent that by late 20’s-early 30’s courtship (i guess i’ll call it that) turns what should be an intrasex competition (males vs male for most desirable females or vice versa) into an intersex one for some sad notion of greater “worthiness” of each other. This gets so out of control that the common practice is to act completely uninterested because to show interest would allow the other person to “gain an edge” or “win”… ultimately, no one wins.
This is why i end up dating younger girls–they haven’t yet had enough relationships go sour such that men become the enemy. Caveat–it’s entirely possible that older women have the experience to know a relationship with (or even exposure to) me is a terrible idea in which case i dreamed up this whole rationalization.
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
both sexes become jaded about the other–to such an extent that by late 20’s-early 30’s courtship (i guess i’ll call it that) turns what should be an intrasex competition (males vs male for most desirable females or vice versa) into an intersex one for some sad notion of greater “worthiness” of each other. This gets so out of control that the common practice is to act completely uninterested because to show interest would allow the other person to “gain an edge” or “win”… ultimately, no one wins.
This is why i end up dating younger girls–they haven’t yet had enough relationships go sour such that men become the enemy. Caveat–it’s entirely possible that older women have the experience to know a relationship with (or even exposure to) me is a terrible idea in which case i dreamed up this whole rationalization.
[/quote]
I agree with this post, including the dismissal though it’s probably because I don’t value relationships and make that clear. I find the age range mentioned a mixed bag though, some women who didn’t find their one true love in college or where ever, have dated “unsuccessfully” (with marriage the obvious end game for them) seem to try to rush things given their biological clock. These bitches are crazy and should be avoided.
The others are more laid back, self-centered and focused on careers, themselves et cetera. These women make great fuck buddies as they are equally comfortable in their sexuality and probably good relationships too, if you wanted that.
The women playing the one up game, men too, tend to be in the bar scene and years after they should’ve left or at least branched out. Of course they are jaded. They find their identity and sexual worth in a club image.
Perhaps things are exactly as you say they are. I am rarely arrogant enough to be 100% certain that I am right, and the other guy is wrong.
But I have to ask: What has all of this alleged “insight” done for you? Has it somehow allowed you to find a healthy, longterm, happy-making relationship?
Which kind of brings me back to my original comment: One has to wonder why the insightful gurus never seem to be the ones in successful longterm relationships.[/quote]
I never claimed to be a guru.
I have exactly zero to say on the topic of pick up lines, or how to approach a girl in a club/bar/ whatever.
What is has done for me, in no particular order, over the course of 15 years or so:
I am not a emotional or financial ATM any semi attractive woman that winks at me has access to.
I dont have to take any kind of shit, because I can stand up and leave and they know it.
I feel no responsibility whatsoever to save anyone from the consequences of their bad choices and that is especially true for women.
I get laid.
I get treated with respect.
I do not feel that the feminine narrative is automatically to be taken for granted and that very real male needs are to be taken lightly, ridiculed or ignored.
None of this is a given these days, all of this, and more, is required for a stable LTR.
As to why I am not married and have 15 children?
Well you cheated, you moved to Japan and now you wonder why a man that has options is not eager to tie the knot with the typical Western woman?
Go to some dating websites and look at their profiles and then imagine how their past looked like.
Assign a number for 1-10 to each and every one of them, depending on how eager you would be to meet them.
Sum them up, divide through the number of profiles you looked at.
I am not a emotional or financial ATM any semi attractive woman that winks at me has access to.
I dont have to take any kind of shit, because I can stand up and leave and they know it.
I feel no responsibility whatsoever to save anyone from the consequences of their bad choices and that is especially true for women.
I get laid.
I get treated with respect.
I do not feel that the feminine narrative is automatically to be taken for granted and that very real male needs are to be taken lightly, ridiculed or ignored.
None of this is a given these days, all of this, and more, is required for a stable LTR.
As to why I am not married and have 15 children?
Well you cheated, you moved to Japan and now you wonder why a man that has options is not eager to tie the knot with the typical Western woman?
Go to some dating websites and look at their profiles and then imagine how their past looked like.
Assign a number for 1-10 to each and every one of them, depending on how eager you would be to meet them.
Sum them up, divide through the number of profiles you looked at.
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Your list is appropriate for any high-functioning adult, male or female. I have an income and I date. I would say I spring for dinner 1/3 - 1/4 of the times we eat out, however, I cook dinners, which he doesn’t, and we tend to hang out at my place so I’m providing drinks as well, and if he stays over, breakfasts. When we camp/kayak/beach I shop for and pack lunches. I would not tolerate an imbalance in this arena and I don’t respect men who would.
I have had to work to get my “emotional ATM” bent under control, as I tend to draw depressive types (both men and women) and then wind up taking responsibility for their happiness. Judging by my behavior on these boards, I still have a ways to go in managing my rescue complex.
I don’t feel that ANYONE’S narrative is automatically to be taken for granted, and that includes victimized women as well as victimized men. There certainly are a number of both out there. (Check yourself.)
I agree that male needs are real and should be respected. I don’t feel that all women, or even most, disagree. Half, maybe even two-thirds. But I also think that half or two-thirds of all men are asshats. That’s how the world is and I’m not naive enough not to see and accept it.
The dating sites…yes, of course, they’re horrendous. On the other hand, that too is the world. Walking through Home Depot I doubt I would would see even one man I would be interested in having a relationship with. But I’m picky. I can be, because I’m nice and financially stable and attractive. So I want those things in a man. Also, someone who reads books and likes being outside. But not outside doing any of the things I don’t like to do. And I want someone who supports my need to blast rap music early in the morning while I run on a treadmill. Ideally, he would be highly motivated in this realm as well (doesn’t have to be running or lifting, just whatever). And I need someone who can handle that I get VERY excited about stuff. I’m in the middle of a job thing right now and as we get closer I’m getting more and more wound up and excited. I can generate a LOT of energy. He’s having to tolerate that, and I’m sure it’s obnoxious, but on the other hand I get excited about sex, too, and he likes that manifestation of my personality, so.
I think you have a tendency to identify valid negative traits, then generalize them to the group. Intelligent people do not behave as low-functioning people do. You take “low-functioning female” traits and assume they are “female” traits. As I’ve said before, this is going to ensure you find what you seek, because high-functioning women aren’t drawn to suspicious, negative men.
I think you have a tendency to identify valid negative traits, then generalize them to the group. Intelligent people do not behave as low-functioning people do. You take “low-functioning female” traits and assume they are “female” traits. As I’ve said before, this is going to ensure you find what you seek, because high-functioning women aren’t drawn to suspicious, negative men.
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I do not think I described any of these traits as negative except the “hypergamic, polygamous whores” bit.
I think those traits were highly necessary, or else they would have been bred out of the species.
What I am saying is that if those traits are left to be expressed unchecked a functioning society is impossible, if only because it will die out.
The thing that really is bewildering about all of this NAWALT nonsense is the magical thinking in the idea that some women are somehow different.
Every semi adult man knows that he has a rather dark side that he can absolutely not let get out of control, but women somehow fall into the category of “good” and “bad”.
What is this nonsense?
No, you have it in you too, in the right circumstances it will come out and if you cannot even see that it is there you have no chance in hell of controlling it when it does.
Finally, it starts to get hysterical that I somehow have to be a “victim” even if the thought never occured to me and I flat out refuse to be one.
