[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I think you are the first person to ever tell Rock that he is wise.
[/quote]
Won’t happen again…I was confused by this thread…is it about some guy not getting laid by 18 year old girls unless he pays them, or single mothers?[/quote]
And fuck you too
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Also, I’m laughing to imagine myself writhing in an agony of terror over my boyfriend’s son and the possibility that he fucked some hot woman and now that he’s got a kid just wants to play me for my stability.
When I was in my early 20s, guys with kids were no-goes for me. You CAN set limits and make choices. [/quote]
That’s because you’ve never had to put work into getting laid. [/quote]
You may be right! But on the other hand, I do put work into being an appealing lay. Heels, smelling good, managing a wardrobe of fragile things that don’t like to be jammed into washers and need to be hung to dry, shaving 40% of my surface area, nail polish, etc. Which isn’t to say men don’t make an effort to be appealing; I know they do. But less is expected. That’s just how it is. [/quote]
That’s silly, apart from basic personal hygiene men don’t care about heels and nail polish. If you’re hot you could wear sweat pants all day for all we care.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
28 isn’t old…but it is when surrounded by 22
It isn’t ugly but surrounded by 22 it is
Not creepy either…but on a college campus it is.
I’ve been to a few frat parties where older brothers are there…near 30…no one wants anything to do with them.
They only see op as a sugardaddy…[/quote]
This man is wise.
Get your dumb ass to someplace 28 year old women hang out…try a cooking class…dance lessons…you’ll be the only fucking male there…get yourself a nicer wardrobe, quit wearing that dumb ass baseball hat, learn something about food and wine and you’ll be much happier.[/quote]
I think you are the first person to ever tell Rock that he is wise.
[/quote]
Im brilliant.[/quote]
Ah, you are one of those vampires…
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Also, I’m laughing to imagine myself writhing in an agony of terror over my boyfriend’s son and the possibility that he fucked some hot woman and now that he’s got a kid just wants to play me for my stability.
When I was in my early 20s, guys with kids were no-goes for me. You CAN set limits and make choices. [/quote]
That’s because you’ve never had to put work into getting laid. [/quote]
You may be right! But on the other hand, I do put work into being an appealing lay. Heels, smelling good, managing a wardrobe of fragile things that don’t like to be jammed into washers and need to be hung to dry, shaving 40% of my surface area, nail polish, etc. Which isn’t to say men don’t make an effort to be appealing; I know they do. But less is expected. That’s just how it is. [/quote]
That’s silly, apart from basic personal hygiene men don’t care about heels and nail polish. If you’re hot you could wear sweat pants all day for all we care.[/quote]
While I wouldn’t turn sweat pants away, I personally appreciate a pair of heals and a lacey little thong, preferrably t-back and not much else.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
He’s already fucked them! He doesn’t have any trouble getting them initially, he can’t keep them. [/quote]
You sure? He said that later on, but he might have been playing down his frustrations. Also, he did say that he didn’t want to keep them. Go back and start from the beggining. His frustration is based on why some guys have it easier that other. The answer, in cased you missed it DOUBLE STANDARD. Women cry about those all the time, I just accept them as part of human nature and move on. I would suggest that the OP do the same. It’s female nature. Get over it.
[quote]
They are for some reason not looking for what he offers. [/quote]
No, they expect him to spend money. But have sex with guys they barely know at the drop of a hat. Which is fine. That’s their choice. He seems a little frustrated, but again that’s human nature. Sometimes I’m frustrated that my grandparents were share croppers and not J. D. Rockerfeller. But then I realize that those are the cards I was dealt.
Of course not! I’m a total dick!
i think you answered your own question–if you want sex without dating, go after the girls with reduced inhibitions. As far as girls your age goes… ignore age. i don’t care (above 18 of course) and neither do they. i lied about my age for a little while. Eventually the lies got too difficult to keep track of, so i started telling the truth. If anything my appeal increased! maybe there’s something to the whole honesty thing… less to remember for sure.
and sexual market value!? holy crap that was funny. my last gf (11 years younger–she obviously didn’t care) would lose her fucking mind if she were to read that.
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
i think you answered your own question–if you want sex without dating, go after the girls with reduced inhibitions. As far as girls your age goes… ignore age. i don’t care (above 18 of course) and neither do they. i lied about my age for a little while. Eventually the lies got too difficult to keep track of, so i started telling the truth. If anything my appeal increased! maybe there’s something to the whole honesty thing… less to remember for sure.
and sexual market value!? holy crap that was funny. my last gf (11 years younger–she obviously didn’t care) would lose her fucking mind if she were to read that. [/quote]
You can print this out and if you want to see a shitstorm of epic proportions, drop it into a group of women.
After 10 minutes you will be semi convinced that you actually are gay/a loser/cant get laid/dates only sluts/have a pencil dick/ live in your moms basement.
That is if they are sober.
If drunk, they will probably kill you.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
You sure? He said that later on, but he might have been playing down his frustrations. Also, he did say that he didn’t want to keep them. Go back and start from the beggining. His frustration is based on why some guys have it easier that other. The answer, in cased you missed it DOUBLE STANDARD. Women cry about those all the time, I just accept them as part of human nature and move on. I would suggest that the OP do the same. It’s female nature. Get over it. [/quote]
Ack, you’re absolutely right, I did misread the OP. I for some reason thought he’d had sex with them already. Looking at it, “These same girls I have been with who do the ‘paying for pussy’ talk are out on student nights…”
Still, it is clear enough if you read carefully, and I didn’t.
Well. That sucks! (OP’s problem, that is.) I’m sure I’ll have advice, but I have to regroup and think what it might be. Maybe something cheery like “you can do better than those skank ass ho’s!”
I don’t believe you and continue to hold out hope that your cynicism will diminish over time.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Well. That sucks! (OP’s problem, that is.) I’m sure I’ll have advice, but I have to regroup and think what it might be. Maybe something cheery like “you can do better than those skank ass ho’s!”
[/quote]
It’s not a problem. Again, should I say “it’s not fair” that I wasn’t born a billionaire? After all, other people are billionaires!
Those girls just see him on a different level than what he would like. He still gets pussy, so he says, just not as easily or from all the girls he wants or whatever. I’m really not sure what he is or isn’t getting, because he backtracked a bit and might be lying. You never know. But whatever, it’s a girl’s right and biological imperative to fuck who she will, and make pay who she can. He should be pleased that at least he is not so repulsive that they ignore him entirely, or call him “creepy”.
He has room to work.
Dismissing every girl who rejects you, or semi-rejects you by calling her a skank ass ho is a nice bandaid to the ego, but really it would be acting like an immature bitch on his part. He should simply strive to see things as they really are, which is not bitterness, or cynicism, or game, just honesty. You might could even call it enlightenment, if you believe in such a thing.
edited fo gramma
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Great!
I have no problem with you trying the best you can be.
Anyone who tries to kick the fate others accept in quiet desperation square in the nuts make me want to see him succeed. [/quote]
I think “the fate [you] accept in quiet desperation” led me to believe that you may be unhappy. lol[/quote]
Alright, so you took the one post that was decidedly positive and interpreted in a way that made you post that I am an little bit on the slow side, my sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel and that I am like a schoolboy in need of soothing.
I think that is a fair assessement, here is my interpretation:
Women are very quick to see any form of kindness as a sign of weakness and then go very quickly for the kill, using emasculation and sexual shaming.
You can look at your posts and what social position you assume towards while trying to “comfort” me and what position that necessarily puts me in for you being able to hold yours.
Then there is evidence B, this article:
It is one of an infinite amount. Notice that the entire focus of the article, written by a woman what is wrong with men. Notice also the iterations of the two main themes, emasculation and sexual shaming. Finally, notice how not one thought is wasted on the idea that the problem could be them.
I do not expect to convince you, but I have hopes that you become just uneasy enough so that you go through a few articles by women lamenting the lack of “good men” and once you see the pattern, go look in the real world.
See if there is something to it.
Bonus points when you find out when exactly that pattern occurs, there are triggers. [/quote]
I’m not sure what you think I’m saying, orion, but it is NOT that there are no good men! I believe I’ve stated that I adore the guy I’m with. I’ve positively gushed about his kindness and decency and I don’t find him even the slightest bit weak or feminine. I believe I may have gushed about my, um, sexual admiration for him elsewhere on these boards. Honestly, I don’t think anyone has ever heard me bash men as a group, nor do I bash women as a group. If I hear women saying “there are no good men” they get the same thing from me that you have, which is disagreement that the group is somehow flawed and the suggestion that something they are doing is drawing the bad apples. If a woman says after years of dating that there are no good men, I would offer that this is bullshit and that something about HER is alienating the good guys. Presumably her unpleasantness.
My social position is meaningless to me with regards to you. Why would you think I care about putting you down? Or anyone. I haven’t said you’re “a little bit on the slow side,” haven’t suggested that your “sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel,” or said anything to suggest that you are “like a schoolboy” (???) “in need of soothing.” Your desire to see me as emasculating you is your thing, not mine. I find your framing of things this way rather icky, to be honest. A little schoolboy?? Ew.
What I did say is that your insistence on angrily maintaining negative assumptions seems foolish to me and causes me to question your intelligence. I’ve read articles like the one you’ve linked and thought about what they mean. I’ve read a great deal of PUA literature and I’ve read what posters like Uncle Gabby and Angry Chicken have to say with great interest for some time now. I’m curious and I like to understand the perspectives of others, particularly if I believe them to be intellectually honest (i.e. believing what they believe but open to the perspectives of others, rather than bent only on “winning” some imagined fight).
I suggested that you are selecting for traits in women that bring you women you don’t trust or respect. Surface indicators of youth, for example, as opposed to selecting for traits you might admire more. Honor, for example. I would say the same thing to women who are consistently disappointed in relationships. I have recently, in fact, to a cousin, who likes “bad boys.” Bikers. That’s what she selects for. Not that there’s anything wrong with bikers (or women who dress up and go to clubs), it’s just that there should be more to it than that. If you want depth, you have to look for depth.
That YOU don’t like the women you hang with is not ME sexually shaming you. There’s no way you could shame me with regard to my choice of men, because I like him so much and find him sexy as hell. My cousin, upon seeing a news clip of my boyfriend, made a face and asked me what I see in him. Um, eyes that sparkle with humor and intelligence? Hands that do lovely things to me? Funny, stick-up-y hair and a good nose? I’m not sure what SHE saw when she looked at my boyfriend. She certainly didn’t seem impressed! But her most recent boyfriend didn’t work out for her after a few weeks and neither did the one before him and once, several years ago, while I was visiting her city, she had to cancel plans because her ex-husband had been arrested for assault. But yeah. Bad boys FTW!
Anyway, I don’t disagree with you with regard to rotten, embittered women. I merely suggest that there are rotten, embittered men as well and offer my hope that you’ll choose not to be one.
[quote]sen say wrote:
Won’t happen again…I was confused by this thread…is it about some guy not getting laid by 18 year old girls unless he pays them, or single mothers?[/quote]
This is a thread about how Harry Potter can’t catch the golden snatch, or snitch. Whatever. I can’t keep my Quidditch terms straight. Orion seems to know a lot about Quidditch. I think he’s trying to help Harry get his game on.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Well. That sucks! (OP’s problem, that is.) I’m sure I’ll have advice, but I have to regroup and think what it might be. Maybe something cheery like “you can do better than those skank ass ho’s!”
[/quote]
It’s not a problem. Again, should I say “it’s not fair” that I wasn’t born a billionaire? After all, other people are billionaires!
Those girls just see him on a different level than what he would like. He still gets pussy, so he says, just not as easily or from all the girls he wants or whatever. I’m really not sure what he is or isn’t getting, because he backtracked a bit and might be lying. You never know. But whatever, it’s a girl’s right and biological imperative to fuck who she will, and make pay who she can. He should be pleased that at least he is not so repulsive that they ignore him entirely, or call him “creepy”.
He has room to work.
Dismissing every girl who rejects you, or semi-rejects you by calling her a skank ass ho is a nice bandaid to the ego, but really it would be acting like an immature bitch on his part. He should simply strive to see things as they really are, which is not bitterness, or cynicism, or game, just honesty. You might could even call it enlightenment, if you believe in such a thing.
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technically speaking it isn’t fair that some people are born billionaires
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I would like to think that my integrity, my sense of humor, and my physicality are what do that. [/quote]
I know, at least for me, it’s your loose morals.[/quote]
Haha, using the term “physicality” was my attempt to cover that particular matter with ladylike delicacy.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I would like to think that my integrity, my sense of humor, and my physicality are what do that. [/quote]
I know, at least for me, it’s your loose morals.[/quote]
Haha, using the term “physicality” was my attempt to cover that particular matter with ladylike delicacy. [/quote]
See? For better or worse it’s a matter of image.
Pay attention OP. In IRL, the truth (sexuality) is the undercurrent. Surf the crest while dipping the trough, so to speak.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Straight to the point.
I have met women who are students like me, have a good time on the first meet and generally see each other when we can but then they give me the “dont expect to have sex without doing [insert date-type stuff here]” or something worse.
I am not after a GF in these situations and if a girl does this I just find someone else and stop seeing them, I have no problem with this whatsoever.
However.
These same girls I have been with who do the ‘paying for pussy’ talk are out on student nights and I see them pulling guys or having the fuckmenow look which every guy can spot a mile off so they’re not exactly worse off.
Why turn down regular, drunk-free sex with a guy they do like for ONS because the guy doesn’t want a GF/BF type of relationship with her.
Nothing really wrong with these girls, I am older than them at 28 where the normal university age is 18-22 but seriously, I want to avoid this in future as I have to admit I am just too straight up honest with them about it and I turn them off me.
Anyone got experience with this?[/quote]
It seems to me that you’ve hooked up with these girls to the point that they want something more and you’re saying that a relationship = “paying for it”. Basically your problem is that you’re more successful with women than you want to be and assuming you’re not trolling (questionable), your ideal relationship is a series of sober one night stands…
[quote]IchibodCrane wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I would like to think that my integrity, my sense of humor, and my physicality are what do that. [/quote]
I know, at least for me, it’s your loose morals.[/quote]
Haha, using the term “physicality” was my attempt to cover that particular matter with ladylike delicacy. [/quote]
See? For better or worse it’s a matter of image.
Pay attention OP. In IRL, the truth (sexuality) is the undercurrent. Surf the crest while dipping the trough, so to speak.[/quote]
Fair enough. Although in truth I don’t see anything loose about wanting to have sex with a man in an exclusive relationship. Or outside of it, for that matter. I just needed a term to describe my liking to have sex, but also hug, wrestle, hike…I’m pretty physical as nerdy girls go.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I never knew Ginny Weasley was such a hard-to-get type.
I think you missed out by not trying to get with Hermione.[/quote]
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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]IchibodCrane wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I would like to think that my integrity, my sense of humor, and my physicality are what do that. [/quote]
I know, at least for me, it’s your loose morals.[/quote]
Haha, using the term “physicality” was my attempt to cover that particular matter with ladylike delicacy. [/quote]
See? For better or worse it’s a matter of image.
Pay attention OP. In IRL, the truth (sexuality) is the undercurrent. Surf the crest while dipping the trough, so to speak.[/quote]
Fair enough. Although in truth I don’t see anything loose about wanting to have sex with a man in an exclusive relationship. Or outside of it, for that matter. I just needed a term to describe my liking to have sex, but also hug, wrestle, hike…I’m pretty physical as nerdy girls go.[/quote]
I’m not judging, and am glad to see you helping the OP, even if inadvertently.
As mentioned, the OP’s issue is a matter of self-image preservation, not gold digging for college town dinner. It’s all image in the realm he wants to play in, with libido the only sliver of truth. So he needs to play the “I’m not a slut but…” game and call an egg an egg, while pretending it is a unicorn.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Great!
I have no problem with you trying the best you can be.
Anyone who tries to kick the fate others accept in quiet desperation square in the nuts make me want to see him succeed. [/quote]
I think “the fate [you] accept in quiet desperation” led me to believe that you may be unhappy. lol[/quote]
Alright, so you took the one post that was decidedly positive and interpreted in a way that made you post that I am an little bit on the slow side, my sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel and that I am like a schoolboy in need of soothing.
I think that is a fair assessement, here is my interpretation:
Women are very quick to see any form of kindness as a sign of weakness and then go very quickly for the kill, using emasculation and sexual shaming.
You can look at your posts and what social position you assume towards while trying to “comfort” me and what position that necessarily puts me in for you being able to hold yours.
Then there is evidence B, this article:
It is one of an infinite amount. Notice that the entire focus of the article, written by a woman what is wrong with men. Notice also the iterations of the two main themes, emasculation and sexual shaming. Finally, notice how not one thought is wasted on the idea that the problem could be them.
I do not expect to convince you, but I have hopes that you become just uneasy enough so that you go through a few articles by women lamenting the lack of “good men” and once you see the pattern, go look in the real world.
See if there is something to it.
Bonus points when you find out when exactly that pattern occurs, there are triggers. [/quote]
I’m not sure what you think I’m saying, orion, but it is NOT that there are no good men! I believe I’ve stated that I adore the guy I’m with. I’ve positively gushed about his kindness and decency and I don’t find him even the slightest bit weak or feminine. I believe I may have gushed about my, um, sexual admiration for him elsewhere on these boards. Honestly, I don’t think anyone has ever heard me bash men as a group, nor do I bash women as a group. If I hear women saying “there are no good men” they get the same thing from me that you have, which is disagreement that the group is somehow flawed and the suggestion that something they are doing is drawing the bad apples. If a woman says after years of dating that there are no good men, I would offer that this is bullshit and that something about HER is alienating the good guys. Presumably her unpleasantness.
My social position is meaningless to me with regards to you. Why would you think I care about putting you down? Or anyone. I haven’t said you’re “a little bit on the slow side,” haven’t suggested that your “sexual partners are from the bottom of the barrel,” or said anything to suggest that you are “like a schoolboy” (???) “in need of soothing.” Your desire to see me as emasculating you is your thing, not mine. I find your framing of things this way rather icky, to be honest. A little schoolboy?? Ew.
What I did say is that your insistence on angrily maintaining negative assumptions seems foolish to me and causes me to question your intelligence. I’ve read articles like the one you’ve linked and thought about what they mean. I’ve read a great deal of PUA literature and I’ve read what posters like Uncle Gabby and Angry Chicken have to say with great interest for some time now. I’m curious and I like to understand the perspectives of others, particularly if I believe them to be intellectually honest (i.e. believing what they believe but open to the perspectives of others, rather than bent only on “winning” some imagined fight).
I suggested that you are selecting for traits in women that bring you women you don’t trust or respect. Surface indicators of youth, for example, as opposed to selecting for traits you might admire more. Honor, for example. I would say the same thing to women who are consistently disappointed in relationships. I have recently, in fact, to a cousin, who likes “bad boys.” Bikers. That’s what she selects for. Not that there’s anything wrong with bikers (or women who dress up and go to clubs), it’s just that there should be more to it than that. If you want depth, you have to look for depth.
That YOU don’t like the women you hang with is not ME sexually shaming you. There’s no way you could shame me with regard to my choice of men, because I like him so much and find him sexy as hell. My cousin, upon seeing a news clip of my boyfriend, made a face and asked me what I see in him. Um, eyes that sparkle with humor and intelligence? Hands that do lovely things to me? Funny, stick-up-y hair and a good nose? I’m not sure what SHE saw when she looked at my boyfriend. She certainly didn’t seem impressed! But her most recent boyfriend didn’t work out for her after a few weeks and neither did the one before him and once, several years ago, while I was visiting her city, she had to cancel plans because her ex-husband had been arrested for assault. But yeah. Bad boys FTW!
Anyway, I don’t disagree with you with regard to rotten, embittered women. I merely suggest that there are rotten, embittered men as well and offer my hope that you’ll choose not to be one.[/quote]
-She’s ^ sharp.
-That graph … sure. I’d like to see superimposed a plot added for how jaded one is about the opposite sex (still as a function of age).
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
i think you answered your own question–if you want sex without dating, go after the girls with reduced inhibitions. As far as girls your age goes… ignore age. i don’t care (above 18 of course) and neither do they. i lied about my age for a little while. Eventually the lies got too difficult to keep track of, so i started telling the truth. If anything my appeal increased! maybe there’s something to the whole honesty thing… less to remember for sure.
and sexual market value!? holy crap that was funny. my last gf (11 years younger–she obviously didn’t care) would lose her fucking mind if she were to read that. [/quote]
You can print this out and if you want to see a shitstorm of epic proportions, drop it into a group of women.
After 10 minutes you will be semi convinced that you actually are gay/a loser/cant get laid/dates only sluts/have a pencil dick/ live in your moms basement.
That is if they are sober.
If drunk, they will probably kill you. [/quote]
What the hell does that graph even say? I cannot read it even when I click on it.