Keeping a Girl from Saying 'Well Expect to Pay for It'

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[quote]orion wrote:
Point two, what about women who forego dick to get a degree.

Well, that is her choice, but women are hypergamic, always, and that poses a problem.

The more degrees she has, the more success she has, the more she wants from a partner. Such men exist, but if women fuck upwards, men necessarily fuck downwards.

That means while she has less and less options, the guys she is interested in have more and more options.

What is even worse is that some of these women operate under the illusion that it works the same for them as it does for men, meaning they think their accomplishments count for anything. They might, to a degree, if youth and beauty are still there, if not it is irrelevant.

The men she would be interested in could either fuck her or the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples.

And that waitress does not have a laundry list of achievements she expects from a man. [/quote]

Okay, but how does the above mesh with this statement of yours:

[quote]I have no problem if women have equal chances and opportunities either, I am just saying now that they have them it is up to them to determine what to do with that freedom and I dont see them having found a working model yet.

What I see is them following some of their basest inctincts regarding procreation and getting all worked up if there is no man willing to bail them out if that goes wrong.

What I would like to see, and God how I love to use this, them “manning up”, them “putting on their big boy pants” and find a model that surpasses the cluster fuck they have created. [/quote]

See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!

The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.

Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Point two, what about women who forego dick to get a degree.

Well, that is her choice, but women are hypergamic, always, and that poses a problem.

The more degrees she has, the more success she has, the more she wants from a partner. Such men exist, but if women fuck upwards, men necessarily fuck downwards.

That means while she has less and less options, the guys she is interested in have more and more options.

What is even worse is that some of these women operate under the illusion that it works the same for them as it does for men, meaning they think their accomplishments count for anything. They might, to a degree, if youth and beauty are still there, if not it is irrelevant.

The men she would be interested in could either fuck her or the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples.

And that waitress does not have a laundry list of achievements she expects from a man. [/quote]

Okay, but how does the above mesh with this statement of yours:

[quote]I have no problem if women have equal chances and opportunities either, I am just saying now that they have them it is up to them to determine what to do with that freedom and I dont see them having found a working model yet.

What I see is them following some of their basest inctincts regarding procreation and getting all worked up if there is no man willing to bail them out if that goes wrong.

What I would like to see, and God how I love to use this, them “manning up”, them “putting on their big boy pants” and find a model that surpasses the cluster fuck they have created. [/quote]

See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!

The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.

Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.

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I did get into how women are emotional opportunists, yes?

The whole, “she will only like me for my money” is flawed insofar as that is not how it works unless you deal with an unabashed goldigger.

Believe it or not, but as a 38 year old male I positively can fuck a 26 year old waitress and I will be the best deal she can get.

As far as she knows, I guess.

And her feelings will be “real”, as “real” as female feelings get anyway.

You cannot have it both ways, either I am fucked up beyond repair or I am easily taken in by a golddigger.

Thats either/or, not either/and, given the specific way I would be fucked up.

Also, my fiscal value to a large degree is my SMV.

I am a utility.

Like a washing machine.

Either I deliver, or I can be repaired at a reasonable cost, or I am replaced.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!

The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.

Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.[/quote]

But what about the case of the buxom easy going stripper/college student who’s actually driven, and is really just saving up cash to cover expenses for post-secondary education? Who actually has just a generally veiled disdain for things, but plays it off really nicely… having a private sense of fun, enjoying herself while mocking the situation in her head?

And who decides to spend half her evening with you not because you’re spending lots of cash on her, but rather because she feels comfortable in your presence and knows you can see right through her. Whose tired of dealing with the stupid drunks, and really just wants to sit down, relax and chat for awhile. Where I had to ask HER for a lapdance, instead of the other way around. Who valued my company more than my wallet.

What am I supposed to make of that?

Common sense and experience says “it doesn’t matter what you think you feel, she’s still a stripper”… and the rest of me says “but she’s different”.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!

The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.

Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.[/quote]

But what about the case of the buxom easy going stripper/college student who’s actually driven, and is really just saving up cash to cover expenses for post-secondary education? Who actually has just a generally veiled disdain for things, but plays it off really nicely… having a private sense of fun, enjoying herself while mocking the situation in her head?

And who decides to spend half her evening with you not because you’re spending lots of cash on her, but rather because she feels comfortable in your presence and knows you can see right through her. Whose tired of dealing with the stupid drunks, and really just wants to sit down, relax and chat for awhile. Where I had to ask HER for a lapdance, instead of the other way around. Who valued my company more than my wallet.

What am I supposed to make of that?

Common sense and experience says “it doesn’t matter what you think you feel, she’s still a stripper”… and the rest of me says “but she’s different”.[/quote]

The medium is the message.

Either she treats you decently, whatever she says, or she does not.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!

The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.

Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.[/quote]

But what about the case of the buxom easy going stripper/college student who’s actually driven, and is really just saving up cash to cover expenses for post-secondary education? Who actually has just a generally veiled disdain for things, but plays it off really nicely… having a private sense of fun, enjoying herself while mocking the situation in her head?

And who decides to spend half her evening with you not because you’re spending lots of cash on her, but rather because she feels comfortable in your presence and knows you can see right through her. Whose tired of dealing with the stupid drunks, and really just wants to sit down, relax and chat for awhile. Where I had to ask HER for a lapdance, instead of the other way around. Who valued my company more than my wallet.

What am I supposed to make of that?

Common sense and experience says “it doesn’t matter what you think you feel, she’s still a stripper”… and the rest of me says “but she’s different”.[/quote]

The medium is the message.

Either she treats you decently, whatever she says, or she does not.

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I think what I said speaks more to my own insecurities than anything. (Yes, I’m calling myself out.)

I like the girl. There was some genuine substance to it. A girl that I actually would want to see on a serious basis. Who actually got in my head and left me thinking of her pretty nonstop for a few days. But at the same time, my psyche is trying to protect me by attempting to negate all of that… by saying “if we met some other way”, or “she was really just very good at her job”, or whatever. My brain is trying really hard to convince me to not trust myself.

And at the same time, my serious, long-term girlfriend is overseas on a 2-month exchange to work in an African hospital as part of her residency. One part of it is just that I’ve been lacking female companionship, but another is now raising my doubts about the relationship, especially as it’s nearing a point where it either needs to get really serious, or we call it quits.

Which means I’m just all out confused.

(Now, ignoring how I feel about the whole thing… breaking up with a doctor to date a stripper isn’t exactly the wisest move, no matter how much ambition/drive/potential she appears to have.)

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[quote]sen say wrote:
I think bigamy should be legalized. Think about it…I am a desirable male…I’ve risen to the top of my profession…have money, shelter, food…I can support more than one woman…more than one woman wants me to support them…I’ve already got my Primary Wife…what do I care if some dumb slut banged 20 or 50 guys before age 22…I could use some slut slots to bang and to do the washing and dishes (the sluts, not their slots)…the other males out there aren’t as capable as I am…get the gummint to legalize this, send these cum buckets my way and we’ll turn this mess around![/quote]
Well I think this is what the OP is looking for, minus the marriage part which is totally unnecessary given the desired scenario.

No need for quality selection other than “bangable?” either.

Yeah money and sexy appearance draw women at some base level of psychology this entire thread is dancing around but in the realm of collecting repeat sexual partners with little emotional involvement you just have to tap in to the natural urge for sex. Everybody gets horny.

Fuck them right and they will come back. Don’t give them more than your dick and they won’t expect more.

Marriage is a totally different topic or “skill set” as referenced earlier altogether for a different thread from a different breed.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Point two, what about women who forego dick to get a degree.

Well, that is her choice, but women are hypergamic, always, and that poses a problem.

The more degrees she has, the more success she has, the more she wants from a partner. Such men exist, but if women fuck upwards, men necessarily fuck downwards.

That means while she has less and less options, the guys she is interested in have more and more options.

What is even worse is that some of these women operate under the illusion that it works the same for them as it does for men, meaning they think their accomplishments count for anything. They might, to a degree, if youth and beauty are still there, if not it is irrelevant.

The men she would be interested in could either fuck her or the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples.

And that waitress does not have a laundry list of achievements she expects from a man. [/quote]

Okay, but how does the above mesh with this statement of yours:

[quote]I have no problem if women have equal chances and opportunities either, I am just saying now that they have them it is up to them to determine what to do with that freedom and I dont see them having found a working model yet.

What I see is them following some of their basest inctincts regarding procreation and getting all worked up if there is no man willing to bail them out if that goes wrong.

What I would like to see, and God how I love to use this, them “manning up”, them “putting on their big boy pants” and find a model that surpasses the cluster fuck they have created. [/quote]

See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!

The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.

Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.

[/quote]
Yeah but the OP just wants to bang the dimpled waitress casually and repeatedly so who gives a shit about the rest.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
You sell a commodity when its hot, not when it has bumps and bruises, 4 cats and a bitter attitude.
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Didn’t know you liked cats. Zing!!![/quote]

I actually do. [/quote]

Well, Hello :slight_smile:

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[quote]SweetBabyRay wrote:
Yeah but the OP just wants to bang the dimpled waitress casually and repeatedly so who gives a shit about the rest.[/quote]

Lol, because there’s about 7 different conversations in this thread, and I think none of them have to do with the OP.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]SweetBabyRay wrote:
Yeah but the OP just wants to bang the dimpled waitress casually and repeatedly so who gives a shit about the rest.[/quote]

Lol, because there’s about 7 different conversations in this thread, and I think none of them have to do with the OP.[/quote]
Yeah well it’s the eighth and intended dynamic.

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I actually have no idea what is going on in this thread.

Is this a thread about relationships and marriage?

If so…

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I actually have no idea what is going on in this thread.

Is this a thread about relationships and marriage?

If so…[/quote]

yeeeeeessss… ?

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Ah, oh well…

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I actually have no idea what is going on in this thread.

Is this a thread about relationships and marriage?[/quote]

Also about strippers, and how many dicks it takes to ruin a marriage. And wolves.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Look, I am closing in on 40. [/quote]

This is all I got out of your post. I would have sworn you were Mak’s age. Your posts so need to be taken in a different tone now…dammit.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Look, I am closing in on 40. [/quote]

This is all I got out of your post. I would have sworn you were Mak’s age. Your posts so need to be taken in a different tone now…dammit.
[/quote]

Sorry?

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Greenie!!!

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Anyway, Orion you’re closing on 40… are you still good in bed?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Look, I am closing in on 40. [/quote]

This is all I got out of your post. I would have sworn you were Mak’s age. Your posts so need to be taken in a different tone now…dammit.
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Sorry?[/quote]

You damn well better be sorry! Seriously.