[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Greenie!!!
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Hi! IH dragged me back here for this thread. Which was highly entertaining.
Just ignore me, Orion.
I’m out of here for real this time.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Greenie!!!
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Hi! IH dragged me back here for this thread. Which was highly entertaining. [/quote]
Welcome back …for the time being
And on that note…
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Anyway, Orion you’re closing on 40… are you still good in bed?[/quote]
Nooooo!?!
I only got my act together at 30-35, or at least what is my act now.
I am not still anything, I flat out sucked when I was younger.
I was just too damn nice.
It all depends on the partner though, sometimes it flat out does not work.
edit: thats a lot of flat outs for just one post…
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Just ignore me, Orion.
I’m out of here for real this time.[/quote]
Fuck, that came 30 seconds too late.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Look, I am closing in on 40. [/quote]
This is all I got out of your post. I would have sworn you were Mak’s age. Your posts so need to be taken in a different tone now…dammit.
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Sorry?[/quote]
You damn well better be sorry! Seriously.[/quote]
I swear I will develop a time machine and will no longer post anything surpassing my 30 year old self.
[quote]orion wrote:
Nooooo!?!
I only got my act together at 30-35, or at least what is my act now.
I am not still anything, I flat out sucked when I was younger.
I was just too damn nice.
It all depends on the partner though, sometimes it flat out does not work.[/quote]
I’m confused…
Are you talking about your relationships or are you talking about how well you performed in bed? wink wink
And What the fuck am I still doing here? Didn’t I jump out of the window twice already???
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Look, I am closing in on 40. [/quote]
This is all I got out of your post. I would have sworn you were Mak’s age. Your posts so need to be taken in a different tone now…dammit.
[/quote]
Sorry?[/quote]
You damn well better be sorry! Seriously.[/quote]
I swear I will develop a time machine and will no longer post anything surpassing my 30 year old self.
[/quote]
LOL. Speaking of time machines, we saw “Looper” today. Was excellent.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Just ignore me, Orion.
[/quote]
Yeah.
Cause thats gonna work.
I am not blind woman.
So back to the OP’s post… while I cannot commiserate with your situation as I am 22, you need to understand that you are in quite an interesting position of power with these college women, even if you’re not going to spend money on them.
Just some background on me… I was a former fat kid (250 lbs) at age 15, and started balding at 16, and went to college a virgin. I just graduated in May at about 200 lbs… still balding, but with hours of fodder with stupid/funny sex stories and a bit of a reputation as that asshole that girls like for some reason.
I had a vengeance against women for their years of ignoring me, and blamed them for my lack of self confidence. Once I got some confidence, the women started lining up. I’m not sure if the sleeping with women led to confidence or vice versa, but they are correlated.
I dove into the PUA world for a while because I thought it would make me happy… ( it did for a short while, but not the point)
The biggest thing that you can show these women is confidence and a lifestyle that they aren’t used to. What do you have to gain from them? Sex with 20 year olds. It’s as fun as it sounds.
What do they have to gain from you? I can’t answer that because I don’t know you personally, but there are things that they are going to expect. So a couple of things I would recommend are as follows:
- Dress like you’re 28. Don’t try to pass as a college kid. You arent one.
- Walk around whenever you are out and about like your penis is 15 inches long, even if it isnt.
- Don’t be afraid to try to connect with the women, but make it obvious that you don’t need them. Imagine if it were an interview and you are the interviewer, not the interviewee, that she has to pass your standards, not the other way around.
- Explore adult, mature things, because these are things that will be different about you than the athlete in the college gym getting written up in the paper (me.)
Also, she will want to tell her friends about the cool thing that you’re doing that you can include her in, it will justify your existence in her life to her friends, which, regrettably, is more important than it should be.
- Women are attracted to confidence and not neediness, as well as status. You have status as a 28 year old, the fact that you know things and have things that she could potentially want should give you confidence, and since you arent trying to marry these girls, you should give 0 fucks about if it works with one of them. By giving this special amount of fucks, you can allow yourself to become vulnerable (because you wont care if she doesnt like you or shuts you down), and that might give you that connection that you need for sex with a sorostitute.
Hope this helps,
The Fatman
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Just ignore me, Orion.
[/quote]
Yeah.
Cause thats gonna work.
I am not blind woman.
[/quote]
You two should just fuck and get it over with.
[quote]That_Was_LIGHT wrote:
So back to the OP’s post… while I cannot commiserate with your situation as I am 22, you need to understand that you are in quite an interesting position of power with these college women, even if you’re not going to spend money on them.
Just some background on me… I was a former fat kid (250 lbs) at age 15, and started balding at 16, and went to college a virgin. I just graduated in May at about 200 lbs… still balding, but with hours of fodder with stupid/funny sex stories and a bit of a reputation as that asshole that girls like for some reason.
I had a vengeance against women for their years of ignoring me, and blamed them for my lack of self confidence. Once I got some confidence, the women started lining up. I’m not sure if the sleeping with women led to confidence or vice versa, but they are correlated.
I dove into the PUA world for a while because I thought it would make me happy… ( it did for a short while, but not the point)
The biggest thing that you can show these women is confidence and a lifestyle that they aren’t used to. What do you have to gain from them? Sex with 20 year olds. It’s as fun as it sounds.
What do they have to gain from you? I can’t answer that because I don’t know you personally, but there are things that they are going to expect. So a couple of things I would recommend are as follows:
- Dress like you’re 28. Don’t try to pass as a college kid. You arent one.
- Walk around whenever you are out and about like your penis is 15 inches long, even if it isnt.
- Don’t be afraid to try to connect with the women, but make it obvious that you don’t need them. Imagine if it were an interview and you are the interviewer, not the interviewee, that she has to pass your standards, not the other way around.
- Explore adult, mature things, because these are things that will be different about you than the athlete in the college gym getting written up in the paper (me.)
Also, she will want to tell her friends about the cool thing that you’re doing that you can include her in, it will justify your existence in her life to her friends, which, regrettably, is more important than it should be.
- Women are attracted to confidence and not neediness, as well as status. You have status as a 28 year old, the fact that you know things and have things that she could potentially want should give you confidence, and since you arent trying to marry these girls, you should give 0 fucks about if it works with one of them. By giving this special amount of fucks, you can allow yourself to become vulnerable (because you wont care if she doesnt like you or shuts you down), and that might give you that connection that you need for sex with a sorostitute.
Hope this helps,
The Fatman
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Well put. Great advice.
At 28 myself, it’s just starting to dawn on me that my SMV (for lack of a better term) has gone up quite a ways from college at an engineering school with a 10:1 ratio of males to females.
That’s not to say I didn’t get any, but it’s not like the girls were going out of their way to talk to me (like they are these days).
I’ve been dressing well for years (highly suggest learning how to do that, it’s amazing how much different people treat you when you wear clothes that look good and fit right; also, many girls appreciate a genuine compliment on her clothes from a straight guy who knows what he’s talking about), and I’ve had the good job and the nice luxury-sports car for awhile. And while that stuff matters, it only serves as icing on the cake.
What’s actually seemed to make the most difference is 1) good posture [standing overhead presses help quite a bit with this] and 2) maintaining an air of bemused indifference… a touch of wit, good eye contact, a few smiles. You show that you know how to play the games, and that you choose not to. It just comes across as mature and experienced, the exact opposite of being jaded or desperate.
And, of course, it’s imperative you stroke her self-worth by letting her feel sexy and wanted, without letting her feel she has power over you. You want her to choose to be with you because of how you make her feel/how she feels when she’s around you. You create an experience for her, and she keeps coming to you for that experience.
It wouldn’t be fair. She does my kegel program from prior post:
M W F OFF
70 sets X 30 reps (warm up)
80 sets X 40 reps
50 sets X 20 (without farts)
When you’re peeing, make the pee stop. 20 sets X 30
(use a spotter to prevent & watch for internal bleeding )
She will snap his ding ding like a carrot.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Just ignore me, Orion.
[/quote]
Yeah.
Cause thats gonna work.
I am not blind woman.
[/quote]
You two
should just fuck and get it over with.
[/quote]
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Look, I am closing in on 40. [/quote]
This is all I got out of your post. I would have sworn you were Mak’s age. Your posts so need to be taken in a different tone now…dammit.
[/quote]
What’s wrong with Maks’s age?!
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Nooooo!?!
I only got my act together at 30-35, or at least what is my act now.
I am not still anything, I flat out sucked when I was younger.
I was just too damn nice.
It all depends on the partner though, sometimes it flat out does not work.[/quote]
I’m confused…
Are you talking about your relationships or are you talking about how well you performed in bed? wink wink
[/quote]
Both.
Just too damn nice.
Though with some women I simply refuse to be responsible for the outcome.
Only so much you can do with a dead fish.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Point two, what about women who forego dick to get a degree.
Well, that is her choice, but women are hypergamic, always, and that poses a problem.
The more degrees she has, the more success she has, the more she wants from a partner. Such men exist, but if women fuck upwards, men necessarily fuck downwards.
That means while she has less and less options, the guys she is interested in have more and more options.
What is even worse is that some of these women operate under the illusion that it works the same for them as it does for men, meaning they think their accomplishments count for anything. They might, to a degree, if youth and beauty are still there, if not it is irrelevant.
The men she would be interested in could either fuck her or the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples.
And that waitress does not have a laundry list of achievements she expects from a man. [/quote]
Okay, but how does the above mesh with this statement of yours:
[quote]I have no problem if women have equal chances and opportunities either, I am just saying now that they have them it is up to them to determine what to do with that freedom and I dont see them having found a working model yet.
What I see is them following some of their basest inctincts regarding procreation and getting all worked up if there is no man willing to bail them out if that goes wrong.
What I would like to see, and God how I love to use this, them “manning up”, them “putting on their big boy pants” and find a model that surpasses the cluster fuck they have created. [/quote]
See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!
The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.
Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.
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I did get into how women are emotional opportunists, yes?
The whole, “she will only like me for my money” is flawed insofar as that is not how it works unless you deal with an unabashed goldigger.
Believe it or not, but as a 38 year old male I positively can fuck a 26 year old waitress and I will be the best deal she can get.
As far as she knows, I guess.
And her feelings will be “real”, as “real” as female feelings get anyway.
You cannot have it both ways, either I am fucked up beyond repair or I am easily taken in by a golddigger.
Thats either/or, not either/and, given the specific way I would be fucked up.
Also, my fiscal value to a large degree is my SMV.
I am a utility.
Like a washing machine.
Either I deliver, or I can be repaired at a reasonable cost, or I am replaced.
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Or, as a 38 year old male, you can stop mistaking youth for value and realize that the earnest, motivated young men who secured the earnest, motivated young women have culled that herd and now only the undesirables are left. You can recognize that many single, childless waitresses who are interested in older men are going to be lodestones if you try to build a future with them. Childless waitresses at age 26 can be assumed to have at least mild character flaws, otherwise they would be doing or attempting to do something more than score a man with enough income to support a decent car. If she’s a mom, it’s different, but of course we know what THEY are after.
You target women who seem to be in limbo, with nothing better to do than wait for a man with higher SMV than theirs, and then wonder that they are not delightful, thoughtful people. Except you DON’T wonder that, because you’ve decided that this is just how women are. Only capable of the most rudimentary thinking and planning ("oh! he’s nice! I feel something! I think it’s love! I will try to keep him! oh! I feel something! It’s a GROUCHY feeling! I don’t like him now! I will get a lawyer and DUMP HIM but keep his money!).
But again I say that this does not represent the whole of womankind.
Also please note that many women waitress and there is nothing wrong with that, it’s the combination of low goal attainment and willingness to shop in the old man store that suggests Likely Future Problems to me.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Point two, what about women who forego dick to get a degree.
Well, that is her choice, but women are hypergamic, always, and that poses a problem.
The more degrees she has, the more success she has, the more she wants from a partner. Such men exist, but if women fuck upwards, men necessarily fuck downwards.
That means while she has less and less options, the guys she is interested in have more and more options.
What is even worse is that some of these women operate under the illusion that it works the same for them as it does for men, meaning they think their accomplishments count for anything. They might, to a degree, if youth and beauty are still there, if not it is irrelevant.
The men she would be interested in could either fuck her or the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples.
And that waitress does not have a laundry list of achievements she expects from a man. [/quote]
Okay, but how does the above mesh with this statement of yours:
[quote]I have no problem if women have equal chances and opportunities either, I am just saying now that they have them it is up to them to determine what to do with that freedom and I dont see them having found a working model yet.
What I see is them following some of their basest inctincts regarding procreation and getting all worked up if there is no man willing to bail them out if that goes wrong.
What I would like to see, and God how I love to use this, them “manning up”, them “putting on their big boy pants” and find a model that surpasses the cluster fuck they have created. [/quote]
See, when you choose the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples, you’ve selected for someone who is not particularly driven. When she selects the older man who gives off money vibes, she’s given clear indication of her priorities. I don’t think it’s your SEXUAL market value which has increased, it is your FISCAL value. She is going to attempt to secure your wealth. But that’s okay, right, because she’s at the height of her SMV, buxom and dimpled and relatively unsullied. Excellent, a terrific catch! Except she’s lazy and not self-motivated. So the easiest thing for her is…well, YOU. It’s probably not going to be a pleasant divorce, that being the case!
The woman with the handsome credentials, on the other hand, can take you or leave you. Yes, she wants to be with someone, but not someone she doesn’t both like and respect. Why would she tolerate anything less? She doesn’t need anyone’s money. I would imagine she can get fucked if that is her desire, unless she is heinous, which is rare in successful people.
Studies show, by the way, that later marriages between well educated people have the greatest chance of long term success.
[/quote]
I did get into how women are emotional opportunists, yes?
The whole, “she will only like me for my money” is flawed insofar as that is not how it works unless you deal with an unabashed goldigger.
Believe it or not, but as a 38 year old male I positively can fuck a 26 year old waitress and I will be the best deal she can get.
As far as she knows, I guess.
And her feelings will be “real”, as “real” as female feelings get anyway.
You cannot have it both ways, either I am fucked up beyond repair or I am easily taken in by a golddigger.
Thats either/or, not either/and, given the specific way I would be fucked up.
Also, my fiscal value to a large degree is my SMV.
I am a utility.
Like a washing machine.
Either I deliver, or I can be repaired at a reasonable cost, or I am replaced.
[/quote]
Or, as a 38 year old male, you can stop mistaking youth for value and realize that the earnest, motivated young men who secured the earnest, motivated young women have culled that herd and now only the undesirables are left. You can recognize that many single, childless waitresses who are interested in older men are going to be lodestones if you try to build a future with them. Childless waitresses at age 26 can be assumed to have at least mild character flaws, otherwise they would be doing or attempting to do something more than score a man with enough income to support a decent car. If she’s a mom, it’s different, but of course we know what THEY are after.
You target women who seem to be in limbo, with nothing better to do than wait for a man with higher SMV than theirs, and then wonder that they are not delightful, thoughtful people. Except you DON’T wonder that, because you’ve decided that this is just how women are. Only capable of the most rudimentary thinking and planning ("oh! he’s nice! I feel something! I think it’s love! I will try to keep him! oh! I feel something! It’s a GROUCHY feeling! I don’t like him now! I will get a lawyer and DUMP HIM but keep his money!).
But again I say that this does not represent the whole of womankind.
Also please note that many women waitress and there is nothing wrong with that, it’s the combination of low goal attainment and willingness to shop in the old man store that suggests Likely Future Problems to me.
[/quote]
You do not know who or what I target.
The only thing that I claimed was that the men a highly succesful woman would be interested in have options.
Lots of them.
Easy, uncomplicated options.
That thins out her potential targets even more.
Success, in terms of a career, comes at a price for a woman.
Also, she is not shopping in the “old men store”, she is shopping in the “perceived high status makes my vajaijai tingle” store.
The old part (38? Really?) is entirely irrelevant, or else no 25 year old would fuck Sean Connery.
And they would.
I consider these truths to be self evident, that sexual market values are not equal - and it’s strange how this seems so hard to swallow for some people, so let’s try it from this angle:
You can very well “believe” that it’s all relative, good girls vs bad girls, men getting more assholish these days and whatnot.
But you should accept the biological base for all of that.
That’s the starting position we all begin and regularly default to.
Most players never(!) leave that constellation, and those who get the picture often don’t bother.
[Biological] sexual market value isn’t the end of it, it’s “merely” the billion ton granite foundation.
Platonic love, “finding prince charming who can appreciate my real character after all those man-children” etc all this can potentially still work, just like christmas can still be fun.