Keeping a Girl from Saying 'Well Expect to Pay for It'

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

She makes more than I do, (most) everything I have we accumulated together.

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Marriages where the woman contributes 60% or more to household income have extremely high divorce rates.[/quote]

Source? So is there a time frame I should be worried? Been together 23 years, married 18 and it is not nearly the struggle now as it was in our younger years. Of course if you want to look at it that way, anyone can fuck you over at any time.[/quote]

http://www.demogr.mpg.de/Papers/workshops/041125_paper07.pdf[/quote]

Curious, they state it as the independence effect, saying she will be able to maintain her lifestyle. While I agree having a good job will make her less dependent, neither of us is maintaining our lifestyle if we divorce.

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

I do agree with the worn out thing, one girl I was into last year before…

She was all over this new guy in the lacrosse team and then started slobbering some other guys face right next to him.

Slag is the only word I’d give her now. Probably one of my best bullet dodge at university so far.[/quote]

Let me see if I get this:

  1. You want a “nice” girl who will fool around with you and be casual about it.

  2. BUT the girl hasn’t been sleeping with too many guys, especially the rest of the dudes on the lacrosse team. She saves her special “casual about sex” ethics for you, because you’re such a catch.

  3. So she puts out enough, but not too much, all while NOT getting her emotions involved or anything silly like that because you really want a F buddy here. Sex does not equal intimacy. It’s more like a handshake, but everybody is naked.

  4. And you don’t want to actually take her out because you are a poor student, but if you do buy her dinner, like on a traditional date type-o-thing, then this is now some form of prostitution where you are paying for sex.

Things sure have gotten complicated.

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

There are no happily married guys, just ask the guys who have never been married.
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QFT[/quote]

Now Ed you have met me and the wife.

Would you be unhappy married to her?

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
2) According to that DAMN sexual market value chart, if anything ever happens to my husband, I should get myself a golden retriever and a vibrator. Cool. I’m a dog person. Thanks for the tip, Orion.
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Sorry Edgy, I think the economics of this scenario involve option A above, or being a trophy wife to some dude in his 70’s. The downside of that is I don’t have any daddy issues, but the upside is those guys probably won’t bitch about buying me dinner.

You are rockin’ a great beard these days, I gotta say.

Derek - About the divorce thing - We’ve thought about getting divorced a few times, but neither of us wants the kids. :slight_smile:

Testy I’m not questioning the integrity of your personal marriage, just poimting out statistically they don’t last.

You could Have a very happy marriage

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Testy I’m not questioning the integrity of your personal marriage, just poimting out statistically they don’t last.

You could Have a very happy marriage [/quote]

Fair enough I didn’t take it personally, it just seems like the guys who have never been married that say there are no happy marriages.

What is your take on her being able to maintain her lifestyle? I maintain that both will be poorer although she will most likely come out with the better deal.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Derek - About the divorce thing - We’ve thought about getting divorced a few times, but neither of us wants the kids. :slight_smile:
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Lol, nice.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

You are rockin’ a great beard these days, I gotta say.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Now Ed you have met me and the wife.

Would you be unhappy married to her?[/quote]

you two are different, and do not represent the majority of the persons regarding this discussion.

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Now Ed you have met me and the wife.

Would you be unhappy married to her?[/quote]

you two are different, and do not represent the majority of the persons regarding this discussion.[/quote]

Lol, but the blue print is sound.

And Puff, at this point when they are teenagers I can see your point.

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, pulling out if my ass, my ass!

Umh…

Movin on:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract

The thing that really interests us, superimposed on that study:

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Orion FINALLY posts a chart that validates all the crazy nut jobs who actually take the plunge and marry their first love while still poor college students. Nice. I know you had to dig deep after putting up that SMV chart, but I like these statistics a lot better.

So, um, getting back to one of the topics of this thread…

How exactly DO you assess who would or wouldn’t make a good marriage partner? Just considering the degree of give-and-take that has to happen in an LTR especially if you’ve cohabitated – which is always bound to bring up a number of issues – how do you go from that?

I’m looking for something a little more useful than “if you’re having doubts, maybe you shouldn’t”.

I can generally tell within the first 30 minutes of meeting a girl whether there’s long term relationship potential, but that’s a product of experience. I don’t have the experience to say whether a long term relationship is marriage potential.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, pulling out if my ass, my ass!

Umh…

Movin on:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract

The thing that really interests us, superimposed on that study:

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Orion FINALLY posts a chart that validates all the crazy nut jobs who actually take the plunge and marry their first love while still poor college students. Nice. I know you had to dig deep after putting up that SMV chart, but I like these statistics a lot better.
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Did I ever say one unkind word, regarding these “crazy nut jobs”?

No, I think these girls at least did it the right way.

Two of the best relationship type girls I know had 2-3 partners and maybe 1 drunken make out session and got married at around 27.

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
You sell a commodity when its hot, not when it has bumps and bruises, 4 cats and a bitter attitude.
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Didn’t know you liked cats. Zing!!![/quote]

I actually do.

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:

[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
If i could go back and rethink my decisions to have meaningless sex, I would–that kind of behavior has pushed me in the sociopathic direction. [/quote]

You make a good point. I also look back and wish I hadn’t played around so much. You really can lose your feelings later on.[/quote]

How old are you guys? As a 42 year old man I don’t think a week goes by when I don’t kick myself for not having fucked more randoms before I got married and/or done more with the ones I did fuck. Just this morning I was bemoaning not taken that blonde girl with the pug nose and floury backside from behind and gotten her to blow me.

Did I say not a week goes by? Okay…it’s more like 2 days…

I had 26 partners for reference so you guys can make up a believable number to tell me how if I’d had as many as you studs I wouldn’t feel this way…

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:

[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
If i could go back and rethink my decisions to have meaningless sex, I would–that kind of behavior has pushed me in the sociopathic direction. [/quote]

You make a good point. I also look back and wish I hadn’t played around so much. You really can lose your feelings later on.[/quote]

How old are you guys? As a 42 year old man I don’t think a week goes by when I don’t kick myself for not having fucked more randoms before I got married and/or done more with the ones I did fuck. Just this morning I was bemoaning not taken that blonde girl with the pug nose and floury backside from behind and gotten her to blow me.

Did I say not a week goes by? Okay…it’s more like 2 days…

I had 26 partners for reference so you guys can make up a believable number to tell me how if I’d had as many as you studs I wouldn’t feel this way…
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Your just a horny old man, doesnt matter if you banged a thousand.

[quote]sen say wrote:
I don’t think a week goes by when I don’t kick myself for not having fucked more randoms before I got married and/or done more with the ones I did fuck. [/quote]

this.

me and Sen agree on this point.

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:
I don’t think a week goes by when I don’t kick myself for not having fucked more randoms before I got married and/or done more with the ones I did fuck. [/quote]

this.

me and Sen agree on this point.[/quote]

Answer is above your post.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Life is not fair thats for sure.

How do you put the number of dicks to make a slut?

What about women who forgo relationship to get a degree? And just want some dick now and then on the way?

What is your theory on the high divorce rate?

Who is to blame?[/quote]

Well, I think arranged marriages were not all that bad.

Here is why:

A girl in her late teens or early twenties (and 24 was considered to be tempting the gods), was married to an older man with as good prospects as could be managed and then HER parents still paid HIM in order that he would take her.

Because marrying as a man is, indeed, a sacrifice.

Not for a manboy looking for female validation and the occasional mercy pussy, but a man.

Then he got her years of youth and beauty and in turn worked his ass off to provide for their children.

Incidentally, her prime years where also the years of her highest fertility.

When she no longer was the freshest apple on the tree, they had already raised several kids, the sexual pair bonding was strong because they did not know any better and he was older than her anyways so probably not as likely to stray, given his 14 hour backbreaking job.

Plus, working in the house 8-10 hours a day and unprocessed food probably meant that she did not look like a beached whale at 35.

Do you realize how far away we are from that?

Point two, what about women who forego dick to get a degree.

Well, that is her choice, but women are hypergamic, always, and that poses a problem.

The more degrees she has, the more success she has, the more she wants from a partner. Such men exist, but if women fuck upwards, men necessarily fuck downwards.

That means while she has less and less options, the guys she is interested in have more and more options.

What is even worse is that some of these women operate under the illusion that it works the same for them as it does for men, meaning they think their accomplishments count for anything. They might, to a degree, if youth and beauty are still there, if not it is irrelevant.

The men she would be interested in could either fuck her or the buxom, easy going waitress with the cute dimples.

And that waitress does not have a laundry list of achievements she expects from a man.

Point three:

How much dick maketh a slut?

Dunno?

Just pointed out that more dick = less likely stable marriage.

In conclusion: No matter whether a woman wastes her prime years getting a degree or tons of dick, she is throwing away the years of her maximum fertility and sexual magnetism. It is the the 20s when the power in the marketplace shifts from women to men and if you made sure that the man was a few years older it would be pretty even for the next 10-15 years.

Clever, huh?

Now, she waits into her 30s, where she has a few years of high value left, if she is lucky, while he still has decades.

The sheer disparity is a problem, she also has to deal with men who did not get it in their 20s and are determined to get whats theirs in the 30s and all of that in an environment where she can leave at the drop of a hat, which makes marriage a risky proposition.

What these women actually should do is transfer 100000$ * to a third party in case she leaves the marriage, acknowledging the mans sacrifice and risk and yet a lot are still pretty much the spoiled rotten princesses they were in their 20s.

*There are cultures that did that by the way

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:
I don’t think a week goes by when I don’t kick myself for not having fucked more randoms before I got married and/or done more with the ones I did fuck. [/quote]

this.

me and Sen agree on this point.[/quote]

We is smart.