In those situations Ive found that girls must feel like the more guys they fuck the more desirable they must be (so horribly mistaken they are).
Also Ct Rock is fucking hilarious as usual…bwahah. Outrages, but funny. “put that in your slot”
I think others have been talking about the boards here, orion. T Nation’s boards.
Going back to an earlier post, do you really think women can’t recognize their own shortcomings (or maybe that specifically I can’t)? Here again, I think some portion of the population is capable of self-reflection and insight, some portion is not, and that it correlates with intelligence rather than gender. I have a good many faults or negative traits, some due to my psycho-bio makeup and some due to my background. Perhaps I share some of my less appealing qualities with many or even most other women, but that doesn’t make me helpless against them or driven by them. The “dark side” you used to describe men’s negative aspects fits what I see as my own must-be-controlled elements better than the idea that I am driven to seek impregnation by one man and support from another. I DO seek to pair-bond advantageously, and have throughout my adult life. But I know that the men I’ve been involved with were seeking that as well. My mind and my biology are in sync there, very easy to control.
I think that’s what the NAWALT men are saying in this thread. It’s GOOD to find someone pretty to fuck (men’s biological imperative) just make sure they’re smart and honest and nice, too, and want the same things you do.
Lastly, batman730, I liked your post. It gave me interesting things to think about during a longish drive today.
Which is why I love TNation.
Here is a suggestion for selecting for qualities that might decrease the odds of some opportunistic bitch getting her talons into you. Although his baby seems a trifle self-centered and possibly neglectful insofar as sex-type stuff goes. So maybe find a baby who likes to go out dancing SOMETIMES.
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
In those situations Ive found that girls must feel like the more guys they fuck the more desirable they must be (so horribly mistaken they are).
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There is a reason for that.
If she is a 6 or so and only fucks 8 or 9s she starts to believe that she herself is an 8 or 9 herself.
What she usually does not realize is that there are two categories for men , the just fuck and the relationship material category.
Now she wants to settle down and discovers that not only will no 8 marry her, she also has zeor practice how to deal with a man on a day to day basis and how to keep him.
In fact, all the qualities that made it easy for her to get laid out of her league, basically the aggressive sluttiness make it next to impossible.
To be fair, they are very young when they enter this tailspin and they are told that its a-ok and that it will help her grow as a person and assorted bullshit, as if a penis could magically transfer wisdom.
[quote]orion wrote:
as if a penis could magically transfer wisdom. [/quote]
Interesting imagery that is.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I think others have been talking about the boards here, orion. T Nation’s boards.
Going back to an earlier post, do you really think women can’t recognize their own shortcomings (or maybe that specifically I can’t)? Here again, I think some portion of the population is capable of self-reflection and insight, some portion is not, and that it correlates with intelligence rather than gender. I have a good many faults or negative traits, some due to my psycho-bio makeup and some due to my background. Perhaps I share some of my less appealing qualities with many or even most other women, but that doesn’t make me helpless against them or driven by them. The “dark side” you used to describe men’s negative aspects fits what I see as my own must-be-controlled elements better than the idea that I am driven to seek impregnation by one man and support from another. I DO seek to pair-bond advantageously, and have throughout my adult life. But I know that the men I’ve been involved with were seeking that as well. My mind and my biology are in sync there, very easy to control.
I think that’s what the NAWALT men are saying in this thread. It’s GOOD to find someone pretty to fuck (men’s biological imperative) just make sure they’re smart and honest and nice, too, and want the same things you do.
Lastly, batman730, I liked your post. It gave me interesting things to think about during a longish drive today.
Which is why I love TNation. [/quote]
I believe that women can recognize a lot of their shortcomings, but some are a lot more diffcult to see than others.
Men are relatively easy that way, our impulses are relatively direct and primitive, i.e. easy to see for what they are and block them.
Obviously some men are better at this then others.
Women, I dont know.
If most of their own consciousness is feelings they basically are, to a large degree, what they feel.
Nothing wrong with that per se, it is a finely honed system after all, but I think it makes it next to impossible to see some parts of yourselves, to feel about your feelings so to speak, for that you would need a mirror and this society does not give you one, in fact it encourages you to “follow your heart”.
Next, replace it with “follow your dick” and see if it makes sense.
Then, the whole Nawalt thing:
At least in these here parts, in a divorce, she automatically gets the kids, that means she also gets the house to raise the kids in and of course a large part of his money too.
The result is that there are men who sleep in their car or in an empty appartment for months because after the lawyers are through with them and of course the alymony they have no money to buy a fucking bed.
50% of all marriages will get divorced, in 70% of all cases the woman files for it.
So, are all women like that?
The answer is, who cares?
How many chambers in a revolver need to be loaded for you to refuse to play Russian Roulette?
Maybe you get one of the good ones, maybe you get the Lady of the Thousand Cocks.
snowboarding analogy as the season’s almost upon us–what would you rather ride, fresh tracks or where everyone else has been before you?
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
snowboarding analogy as the season’s almost upon us–what would you rather ride, fresh tracks or where everyone else has been before you? [/quote]
Depends on how good you are with your board 
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[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
snowboarding analogy as the season’s almost upon us–what would you rather ride, fresh tracks or where everyone else has been before you? [/quote]
Depends on how good you are with your board …[/quote]
that it does. and the better you are the more the pendulum swings towards fresh tracks. i guess some practice on the groomers has its value.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Ok, then.
Perhaps things are exactly as you say they are. I am rarely arrogant enough to be 100% certain that I am right, and the other guy is wrong.
But I have to ask: What has all of this alleged “insight” done for you? Has it somehow allowed you to find a healthy, longterm, happy-making relationship?
Which kind of brings me back to my original comment: One has to wonder why the insightful gurus never seem to be the ones in successful longterm relationships.[/quote]
Also, I would really like to know how good my guess was.
Of course I do not want any details about your wife, just whether I was right or not.
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Right about what? Not sure what you’re asking.[/quote]
So, why does it work with your wife?
Statistically speaking, she must not have had too many partners before you married and the ones she had were longterm and not drunken hook ups, there should be a SMV difference slightly in your favor and you are instinctively manly enough to push her buttons, maybe with a little exotic appeal thrown in the mix, also working in your favor.
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Yeah, I guess what you wrote is true.
But then again it was also pretty much true of most of the women I was involved with. If I think about it, if you let me drop one of your “elements” for each other woman, it was true for them all. But none of those relationships lasted 20 years like this one did.
And I fail to see the insight involved in knowing that a LTR is more likely with someone who doesn’t freely have sex with others. Hell, the same thing is true for men.
Bottom line, and as Em has said over and over, it depends on what you select for. Most men have trouble seeing that you can’t make a solid relationship based on sex, but you can find your way to great sex if you truly like, respect, and value your partner. Which is not to say that attraction isn’t necessary; it is, but it’s not sufficient.
These boards filled with guys searching to find the best way to get laid. Then later they complain about how crazy, opportunistic, whatever, women are. They train like crazy for the 50 yard dash, and then wonder why they can’t complete a marathon. You want a good woman? Make that your priority and you’ll find one.
Disclaimer: Writng on my phone during a training break. May not be very coherent or eloquent expression of my views.[/quote]
Your post sounds pretty damn good to me, bud.[/quote]
Meh, what the fuck do you know? You’re just one of them happily married guys.
;-)[/quote]
There are no happily married guys, just ask the guys who have never been married.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
There are no happily married guys, just ask the guys who have never been married.
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Happily married.
For now.
As long as she does not feel any different.
Then you are in deep, deep, deep shit.
Its like jumping from a 10 floor building and thinking everything is perfectly allright because you have not hit the floor… yet.
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing.
[quote]orion wrote:
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing. [/quote]
Things are not that cut and dried in the US.
I divorced and got my kids half the time every week. Many, many judges are fucking tired of hearing custody and divorce cases. They only get half your shit if they never worked, so at least get facts straight for the region you are asking about.
[quote]orion wrote:
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing. [/quote]
I know you were addressing Testy so pardon the interjection. Also, FTR I am by no means offering a rose coloured, blanket defense for the institution of marriage. At all.
However, the survival rate for new businesses drops to around 50% within 5 years.
Of the 50% which remain, we shall not kid ourselves that all of the owners are “happy” shall we?
If your business fails, for whatever reason, you may very well stand to lose half your assets, even more depending on how you go about it.
If you are married, you may very well end up divorced in the process and lose half of whatever is left.
Does this mean that it is inherently unwise, naive etc. to start a business?
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
Life is risk.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing. [/quote]
Things are not that cut and dried in the US.
I divorced and got my kids half the time every week. Many, many judges are fucking tired of hearing custody and divorce cases. They only get half your shit if they never worked, so at least get facts straight for the region you are asking about. [/quote]
That did in no way, shape or form adresses the point I was making.
So in your area one less chamber is loaded.
Its not 4-5 out of 6, only 3-4.
Wanna play?
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing. [/quote]
I know you were addressing Testy so pardon the interjection. Also, FTR I am by no means offering a rose coloured, blanket defense for the institution of marriage. At all.
However, the survival rate for new businesses drops to around 50% within 5 years.
Of the 50% which remain, we shall not kid ourselves that all of the owners are “happy” shall we?
If your business fails, for whatever reason, you may very well stand to lose half your assets, even more depending on how you go about it.
If you are married, you may very well end up divorced in the process and lose half of whatever is left.
Does this mean that it is inherently unwise, naive etc. to start a business?
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
Life is risk.[/quote]
Well said.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing. [/quote]
I know you were addressing Testy so pardon the interjection. Also, FTR I am by no means offering a rose coloured, blanket defense for the institution of marriage. At all.
However, the survival rate for new businesses drops to around 50% within 5 years.
Of the 50% which remain, we shall not kid ourselves that all of the owners are “happy” shall we?
If your business fails, for whatever reason, you may very well stand to lose half your assets, even more depending on how you go about it.
If you are married, you may very well end up divorced in the process and lose half of whatever is left.
Does this mean that it is inherently unwise, naive etc. to start a business?
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
Life is risk.[/quote]
True, but in my business much more depends on me and I would look at a business partner just as critically as I would at a potential wife.
Furthermore, I would never, ever sign a contract he could opt out at any second, for no apparent reason, while ruining me in the process.
Precisely because life is risk you take a long hard look at the deals that are offered and the people you would make them with.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing. [/quote]
Things are not that cut and dried in the US.
I divorced and got my kids half the time every week. Many, many judges are fucking tired of hearing custody and divorce cases. They only get half your shit if they never worked, so at least get facts straight for the region you are asking about. [/quote]
That did in no way, shape or form adress the point I was making.
So in your area one less chamber is loaded.
Its not 4-5 out of 6, only 3-4.
Wanna play?[/quote]
Lol
Okay this is like the game of did you read in a book or do you have personal experience?
I have been married with two children then divorced, remarried a lady with 3 children who was divorced. I have spent a lot of $ and time with lawyers about this topic. Again in the US laws vary from state to state, so the playing field is variable.
You have painted a picture of women that I cant agree on, not all women in the US that I have came across have #1 get married #2 have kids as their goals in life.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
You have painted a picture of women that I cant agree on, not all women in the US that I have came across have #1 get married #2 have kids as their goals in life. [/quote]
Na, that is not quite true.
I have no problem whatsover if a woman does not want kids and wants to fuck around.
I especially like them if they are upfront about it, whether they have sex with me or not.
If you want me to zero in on the ones I do call sluts, to their face if necessary, are the ones riding the cock carousel in their 20s and then decide they are all grown up now and wonder “why all the good men are gone”.
The men who will not take her are not “kidults”, they are not “Peter Pans”, they are not “afraid of strong women”, they are not losers, they are in fact grown up enough to know that even an X box and internet porn are better than a life with her at her side.
Given that that also positively wreaks havoc demographically, at least in Western Europe, is a big fat plus in my book.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
So Testy I have the same question for you:
50% of all marriages are divorced and we shall not kid ourselves that all of the rest are happy shall we?
If she decides, for whatever reason, that its over, it is over and you lose half your shit, maybe more.
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
And if any single one of you has a prenub or some money squirreled away that your wife does not and never will know about I just want you to know that this guy is a fucking hypocrite.
But, also a steely eyed, well prepared realist, so I can overlook a little bit of lieing. [/quote]
I know you were addressing Testy so pardon the interjection. Also, FTR I am by no means offering a rose coloured, blanket defense for the institution of marriage. At all.
However, the survival rate for new businesses drops to around 50% within 5 years.
Of the 50% which remain, we shall not kid ourselves that all of the owners are “happy” shall we?
If your business fails, for whatever reason, you may very well stand to lose half your assets, even more depending on how you go about it.
If you are married, you may very well end up divorced in the process and lose half of whatever is left.
Does this mean that it is inherently unwise, naive etc. to start a business?
How many chambers have to be loaded for you to decide that Russian Roulette is not your cup of tea?
Life is risk.[/quote]
True, but in my business much more depends on me and I would look at a business partner just as critically as I would at a potential wife.
Furthermore, I would never, ever sign a contract he could opt out at any second, for no apparent reason, while ruining me in the process.
Precisely because life is risk you take a long hard look at the deals that are offered and the people you would make them with. [/quote]
I never suggested that anyone rush into marriage based primarily on some half-baked notion of romance, soul mates or straight up lust. I would suggest that everyone should evaluate a potential mate at least as carefully and critically as they would a business partner. One might even look for many of the same qualities the would in a prospective spouse as they would in a business partner, obviously with a few marked differences, IMO.
I will concede that the nature of marriage makes you more vulnerable and greatly reduces your autonomous control of the outcome. However, if you choose your spouse well in the first place your choices and behaviour absolutely will have a significant impact on the health and success of your union. Admittedly, in some cases someone who appears to be a good mate at in the beginning can later display some unforeseeable qualities or behaviours that may doom the marriage regardless of your input. However, the same can be said of the unforeseeable fluctuations of the marketplace which may coincide to render your business model obsolete, regardless of your input.
I absolutely agree that you must take a long, hard, considered look at the significant risks in your life. I would also say that many people fail to do this when when they choose to get married. Thus many marriages are set up to fail from the outset, just as are many businesses.
This just proves that you shouldn’t be stupid, not that you shouldn’t get married or start a business.