I say keep it simple; after all, the body
can only push, pull, and squat, the rest is superfolus??? Any Thoughts? ::::----::::
It depends
-Ian King
Sorry, but I agree.
Hey, the correct spelling of the word is SUPERFLUOUS!
Please proofread your own posts, Joey Z.!
Yuri Dubowik, one of Brooks Kubik’s friends is a strongman in Canada. He says all you need in a workout is a push, a pull & a squat.
I think it is ludicrous, all this talk of wave loading, sled pulling, kettleballs, odd objects, burpies, snatches, and freaking bent presses. Sounds like Mr Burns’ personal 1921 Red Baron workout. I train real basic and real hard, but I ain’t affraid of using machines unlike some of the flat earth ludites around here. I have heard the experts and posters on this site say that machines don’t work, cuz they are not made correctly (are the people at Nautilus and Medx just a bunch of fools? Are all the gym majors really not just jocks with PHDummies?) and they suggest snatches and swiss ball exercise. I read one of the experts saying that the Nautilus 4way neck is dangerous , so trainers should do jump shrugs. That is some ridiculous bullshit.
From pushing down(dips) to pushing up(shoulder press) gives 180 degrees to work with and the muscles used when you change angles obviously hits different muscles. Try squating like a powerlifter and you’ll get big & strong hamstrings, ass, and lower back. Squat narrow like a bodybuilder and your quads will grow. Same movement, very different results.
Wow Colin, you’re just as smart as hetyey! Are you a fat bartender too?
Hey Paul, how are the snatch jumps and fucking moron kettleball drags? I love training like a total fucking retard with my snatchy flips and such because it is the same routine used by a completly anonomous luge team member that some glorified gym teacher trains. You are cool and cutting edge because you are doing the phys ed routine Eugene Sandow followed before penicillin was discovered.
Can’t argue with logic like that, Colin! You are truly wise…and about 13 years old, huh? Sorry, I’m not wasting my time arguing with a kid. I knew everything at 13, too.
basics have worked for 100 years and will work for the next 100 years. I don’t think this shit is that complicated. you lift heavy multi-joint movements, rest and eat= you put on size. variation is needed but most of the shit people talk about is not. example (about nutrition but I still think its valid on this thread) someone asked if they could use fruit juice as a carb source sometimes, I said yeah, I get ripped, called names, I respond back asking if anyone REALY thought in the long run it would realy matter in terms of size gains and fat loss if he used juice sometimes, out of the people that ripped me NONE responded, ONE person wrote back and said they did not think it would matter ( ofcourse it would not)!!! point is this shit ain’t complicated and it ain’t that serious lift, eat and rest!!!
peace
hetyey225
P.S. paul can’t you here mommy calling you to take out the trash, she’ll take you for DQ if you do it right away!!
I agree. KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid! What exercises your select depends on what you’re training for, but when you stop and look at it, it really comes down to pushing, pulling, and squatting. I do all 3 every workout in some form or another.
Well, yeah.
I suppose simplicity works, so long as you don’t bother to ask how, or why, or why not, how often, which is better, or how can I improve? If everything is simple, then you have all your answers; what are you doing wasting your time on the forum?
Not all of us are blessed with physical advantages, great genetics, optimal recovery, youth, ideal metabolisms, perfect lifestyles ‘n’ such. So for the sorry, sad lot of the rest of us, things get as complicated & as detailed as they need to in order for us to make progress & reach the goals we set.
As for myself, I gave up "simple" lifting when I decided to submit to Ian King's workouts. In three months I've added 40% to the amount of weight I can squat, my other lifts have gone up comparably, & I'm not done yet. So for me, all those terribly complicated & intricately detailed pre-exhaust workouts with weenie weights, & squat-one-legged-without-falling-down-while-everyone's-laughing-anyway workouts have paid off, & big time. I have results I can see, results other people can see, & I have earned some major respect in the gym. So, thank you very much, I like my complicated, detailed workouts because THEY WORK.
Maybe Mark Twain put it best: details are trifles, but trifles make for perfection, & perfection is no trifle.
OUTSTANDING! My feelings exactly…(P.S. I quoted you on the thread "GREAT POST-workout snack…I sure would like to hear your opinion on that one…very similar to this thread, but more related to nutrition…)…
I’ve seen/done some of Ian King’s routines & I don’t think they’re all that complicated. What is everybody talking about?
I must say this was fun and enlightening. In between all the fighting
and name-calling, we entertained some pearls of wisdom. Although
It read as a statement, it actually was question laced with “A”
truth, not “THE” truth! Don’t forget there are thousands of species
of butterflies alone so we should not ASSUME that there is only one
best way to train. Over the past 5 months I have made some of my
biggest gains in years by applying the principle known as Occam’s razor
to my training regime.
My two favorite responses were from TS and T-Rev: TS showed us that we can take a FUNDAMENTAL MOVEMENT like the squat and mold it to fit our personal needs. T-Rev showed us that we can never stop learning. "Anything that stops growing soon withers and dies!" I ,too, am a fan of Ian King's training methods, along with Charles Polquin's, and on the HARD-CORE side, Dave Tate's. I personally think we should learn as many styles of training as possible. You just never know when you will need them. (Trust me on this!) But lately, it just seems that SIMPLE is better; however, that too may change? Joey Z. ::::----::::
Ian Kings routines look to me just like a University football routine with less volume and very special little tricks for performance (which I think have a mostly psychological value). I have yet to see one I consider not simple (unless I missed him recomending kettle ball snatches and burpies, who actually does those?).
Yes,ppl should keep things simple…
Hey colin, you are so smart. Please direct me to the articles you’ve had published and the books on training you’ve written. What Olympic and professional athletes have you worked with? I mean, since you’re more knowledgable that King or Davies, I assume you’re a professional trainer or coach, right?
Oh, I see, you’re just an internet loudmouth who likes to spout off on forums to make up for the fact that girls won’t talk to you, is that it?
I’m flattered to have been quoted by anyone on the forum & am glad to have posted something that somebody considered worthwhile. As for my opinions on the “Great post-workout snack” thread, I really don’t have any. When I wrote above that I “submitted” to an Ian King workout, I meant it: I submitted. The T-Editors & coaches around here are a lot more knowledgeable & experienced than I am. Until I have more experience under my own belt, I work under the assumption that they know what they’re talking about. I say “yes, sir,” check my ego at the door of the gym & obediently hit the weights as best I can. At the same time, I look to the forum for confirmation, serious questions, & success stories from the other people who are doing roughly the same thing. That way I have the guidance of the wise & the feedback of other people who are trudging along with me as guidposts along the path I’m following. So far, it’s worked for me.