Karate Guys

danh,

So true! I do think it’s usually “kids” that think that having a black belt makes them invinceable.

This is largely due to the Hollywood myth. The lone black belt who beats up 7 or 8 guys at one time.

Then there is the Bruce Lee myth that has been spread by his widow and others for monetary purposes.

Quick story, on the set of the Green Hornet Bruce Lee got into a real fight with stunt coordinator Gene LeBell. As some of you may know LeBell was and still is, quite proficient at Judo and other grappling arts.

Lee and LeBell started to argue about a certain stunt. LeBell took one side of the issue, stating that the stunt was not realistic. Lee as one of the stars said that it was what he wanted and he was going to show LeBell what he could do.

The two men squared off in an empty part of the studio. With in one minute, witnesses stated, LeBell had Lee on the ground tied in knots! At the time LeBell out weighed Lee by some 35lbs.

After that one encounter Lee decided that he needed to add two things to his arsenal: Grappling and weight lifting! He gained something on the order of 20lbs of muscle weight after this.
In fact, in his book, which came out after this encounter, “The Tao Of Jeet Kune Do”. Lee dedicated several pages to grappling and weight lifting.

So much for flying through the air while screaming kia, kicking four men before you hit the ground and then leaving with the girl.

ZEB

Where did you find your info about Gene LeBell beating Bruce Lee? I’ve searched everywhere and I can’t find it.

Even on LeBell’s site, he doesn’t mention this at all.

Anyway, I have seen smaller guys beat up bigger guys and vice versa but like some people have said in the above posts, most of the time it’s the person who makes the first move that “wins” in a street fight.

remy, i found it:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ray.d8/article12.html

my bad… that was something else… no i couldnt find it… sorry

remy,

Darn good question! I read it in one of my martial arts books. now I have to find the book.

danh

that’s a really good article, thanks!

I’m not really into martial arts in general but I’ve always liked Bruce Lee’s philosophy of incorporating the best elements from various forms of fighting to make a system that works best for youself.

I’ve killed people with my ninjitsu

bangs,

Hahahahahah, You just killed me!

Yeah, Ninja’s would just flip out and kill everybody.

I have a friend who’s been in lot’s of street fights (he had some issues as a kid, ok), and his advice was to make the first contact with your foot in your opponents scrotum, throw a haymaker to the adam’s apple and run like hell if they get up because you’re fighting with the wrong dude, he’s probably a Ninja and everybody knows Ninjas can suck their balls up into their stomach in the blink of an eye and all you’ll get by trying to kick them there is a severed leg and a numchuck up your ass. I hate Ninjas.

ZEB,

Where was this bar you worked at? I also was a bouncer at a bar that claimed to be the ‘largest in the USA’.

johnny,

I stated, “I worked as a bouncer in the largest bar in my county”. This bar held about 800 people comfortably. Many times the bar would go over that limit, which only meant more problems for obvious reasons.

It was like a cow town in there on Friday and Saturday night. Every single weekend I was involved in at least one altercation. And witnessed several more outside of the place. I would always show up for work with my cup on. I also learned that it was wise to carry a mouth piece in my pocket. I chipped several teeth and had two knocked completly out. I also suffered numerous cuts from broken bottles. And had assorted scrapes and stitches.

I am sure some of you may find it hard to believe, but it seemed that fighting was the sport of the day back at that bar. why did I do it? I was Working my way through college and the pay was great. Also, I was young and foolish and thought I could do anything. As I progressed I learned the best ways to stay in one piece and get the job done.

I found that my best weapon was not strength, speed or even skill. My greatest weapon was my ability to communicate. I could have been in triple the confrontations had it not been for my ability to talk people down from the point of physical action. However, when it was time to fight, I did not waste anytime. Those of you who stated that the element of surprise is important were correct in my view. In many cases while I had to play the peace maker, I was prepared for the other person to attack, using the element of surprise. Which, would take away their surprise!

With this stated, it was rare that a good little man ever beat even a fair big man. In fact, I found that traditional martial arts (this was pre Gracie days) were sometimes a detriment as the person was perhaps over confident from all the sparring (pretend fighting) that he did.

I found that weight started to make a difference when one guy out weighed his opponent by as little as 20-25 pounds. Naturally the stronger the smaller man was the more it made up for the weight differential. However, in most cases the greater the weight disparity the faster the fight would end. With the smaller guy losing more quickly.

There were exceptions to this rule, but there are always exceptions to every rule. We only become misguided when we look at these exceptions and begin to think that they are in fact the rule, instead of the exception. Yes, a strong well trained boxer/wrestler who weighed in at 170lbs. absolutely thumped a local tough guy who weighed in at 250lbs. one evening. However, this stands out in my memory as one of only a few exceptions to the rule.

To get a good idea of the place I worked at watch the movie “Road House”. While the Karate in that movie is pure fantasy, you get a good idea of what a rough and tumble place looks like.

If you worked at the biggest bar in the “country” you have me beat. I would love to hear some of your stories!

Sorry ZEB,

I guess I read too fast and responded too quickly. I thought I read country..not county. My bar had a capacity of 7,000 people with 60 security personel. I don't have very many good stories to tell because most fights were stopped in seconds. Not enough time to perform Karate kicks or anything else.


I wonder what kind of martial art this guy practices. He looks formidable.

Dude, look at that … stick of dynamite? Don’t dis, he’d probably kick your ass.

DI

“I’m a karate man. Karate men bruise on the inside. But you don’t knw that because you a big Barry White lookin’ motherfucker!” ~ Billie Ray Valentine (AKA. Eddie Murphy)

Macaijah,

that’s the perfect example of the fools i’m talking about…

look at his feaking elbows! no amount of training can make his ass win a fight against his little sister, much less a bigger man.

I dont know Martial Arts but I do know bulldogg!

Did you know a Wolverine can take down a bear.

I couldn’t resist replying to this post, man I must be bored. First off, conditioning is ALWAYS a factor- even in a 30 second fight. Do a set of burpees/squat thrusts as fast as you can for 30-45 seconds, you’ll be breathing hard as hell. Add adreneline to that and you’ll be gassed quick if you’re not in shape. And some fights do last, sometimes they don’t get broken up and you gotta fight, so you better be in shape. The majority of martial arts out there don’t work in real world scenarios (kung fu, tae kwon do, aikido, hapkido, karate, and others)-sorry to offend but if train in these styles you probably already know that or at least FEAR that. The elements you see used in Pride/UFC style events are what works-whatever name you want to put on it. Standup striking= western boxing and muay thai Clinch/takedown= Greco Roman, Freestyle wrestling, Judo, Muay Thai Ground fighting= BJJ, Wrestling. I may have left some out but you get the idea. Obviously there are a lot of myths out there about certain “styles” of martial arts and they are perpetuated by Hollywood and various schools across the U.S. . And lastly, don’t fall for those wolverine myths, my cousin is a park ranger in Canada (seriously) and he loves wolverines. He laughs at all of the tales about wolverines killing bears and bringing down horses. The shit don’t happen. A hungry grizzly eats a wolverine every time. Sorry.