Kara Bohigian 225x7 Raw Bench

Pinto · June 27, 2006, 2:39pm

Free will, my man, you can critisize whoever you want. But one can’t help but find these critiques to be of minimal merit when they are leveled by internet Monday morning quarterbacks at the strongest (pound-for-pound) and perhaps the most consistent female bencher around now. Her lifts stand up to judging again and again- in a competetive landscape known for bombouts. Who’s opinion carries more weight in this matter then?- Internet commentators or real PL judges in several feds, on several occasions, in meets all over the country that actually have seen these lifts in person from three different angles?

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
so… by this logic, I can’t critisize anyone stronger than me? [/quote]

WideGuy · June 27, 2006, 2:56pm

Alot of shitty attitudes here boys. I don’t understand why?

BTW RC I left my oil in you girls nightstand as I was using it to lube up my arm and fist fuck her asshole till it was loose enought to easily catch and hold all my urine…yeah I dunno either she just seems to like that. So if you could get that back for me I’d really appreciate it. Also I think my posing trunks are under her bed, they’re pink;-)

mertdawg · June 27, 2006, 2:57pm

[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
What is it about “being interested in powerlifting” that you think will add 120 pounds to a bench press. I have seen some damn strong body builders bench over 400 raw and without a shirt or an arch at my gym. If you are strong you are strong period.

Likewise, their are powerlifters like myself who have been training for years and can’t do even 400 raw. Of course, the guys that are all benching over 400lbs. are juiced and I am natural but this is another story…

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In this case of the highschool gymnast, I was simply pointing out that she did not particularly devote time to the bench press. A lot of kids will go in to a weights class and they will jump on the bench press every day. She benched a few sets once or twice a week for a semester. She was also putting in 90 minute gymnastics workout in every morning from 5:30-7:00.

Mr_Bear · June 27, 2006, 2:59pm

I’m seriously considering stopping posting on this site. There seems to be an apparent hatred for any type of strength feat. Any time one is posted people start bitching about something.

This was a freaking training video. She wasn’t bouncing the weight, and still people find reasons to complain. I have no clue why anyone complains about people arching. It isn’t like getting an insane arch is incredibly easy. It’s not like everyone can do it, and those who do are cheating while those who don’t are taking the moral high road.

There may be a ton of disagreement in the PLing community, but you walk into a powerlifting gym, and everyone is pulling for one another. Everyone wants everyone else to be stronger, even though that may mean someone becomes stronger than you.

It is usually the exact opposite on this site. People sit behind their keyboards and flex their mind muscles, hoping that no one works hard and becomes stronger than them, especially a girl.

Bear

Adamsson · June 27, 2006, 3:12pm

[quote]Pinto wrote:
Free will, my man, you can critisize whoever you want. But one can’t help but find these critiques to be of minimal merit when they are leveled by internet Monday morning quarterbacks at the strongest (pound-for-pound) and perhaps the most consistent female bencher around now. Her lifts stand up to judging again and again- in a competetive landscape known for bombouts. Who’s opinion carries more weight in this matter then?- Internet commentators or real PL judges in several feds, on several occasions, in meets all over the country that actually have seen these lifts in person from three different angles?

Adamsson wrote:
so… by this logic, I can’t critisize anyone stronger than me?

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And since she is doing well in her field of competition, it is impossible to discuss equipment-use and the likes in that contex?

supermick · June 27, 2006, 4:46pm

Kara is a powerlifter and Not a goddess, although im sure some of you think otherwise.
No-one in this thread is personally attacking her, its more critising her gear, ROM, maybe shes been on test etc. IMO there is nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong with having a different point of view but all the overprotective posts are a bit pukeworthy to be honest.
If i posted a vid of me benching i’d expect criticism - why should she be different? As long is it wasnt personal i wouldnt bat an eyelid.

RickJames · June 27, 2006, 5:10pm

[quote]supermick wrote:
Kara is a powerlifter and Not a goddess, although im sure some of you think otherwise.
No-one in this thread is personally attacking her, its more critising her gear, ROM, maybe shes been on test etc. IMO there is nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong with having a different point of view but all the overprotective posts are a bit pukeworthy to be honest.
If i posted a vid of me benching i’d expect criticism - why should she be different? As long is it wasnt personal i wouldnt bat an eyelid.[/quote]

Maybe it’s because I’m actually around people that lift everyday, but to me, it was no big deal that she arched, reduced ROM, used a shirt, etc. It is what it is. If you can’t figure out that what she did is impressive for a female (or even most guys her size), you probably don’t spend a lot of time around women or people that lift. I know what it takes to arch, reduce ROM, and all the other tricks powerlfiters use, and I know the difference between that and flat backing a close grip bench.

It seemed that people got their panties in a wad about how she was lifting when it was, in fact, a training video with no claims attached. This lead to some very ignorant comments from a lot of people. Luckily we have several people aspiring to be the next Captain Obvious, so facts from the video were quickly pointed out. With some of the comments made, you’d start to think people here couldn’t imagine Kara able to bench 95lbs in any other way, shape, or form.

This of course harkens back to the one thread about the bodybuilder benching 225 for, what, 47 reps? That, too, was just a performance. Those that have actually benched something for an appreciable number of reps had a good idea of what that would translate to the way they lift. I think it’s just a basic misunderstanding on a lot of people’s parts on how different ways of lifting can relate to each other.

Julius_Caesar · June 27, 2006, 5:21pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
Of course, the guys that are all benching over 400lbs. are juiced and I am natural but this is another story…

This is sarcastic right? You dont really think guys have to be juicing to bench 400 … right?[/quote]

I said that most of the guys who train in the gyms that I have gone to that bench over 400 lbs. are juicing, not that a 400 lb. raw and drug free bench isn’t possible.

Julius_Caesar · June 27, 2006, 5:27pm

[quote]RickJames wrote:

Right on man! Not only that, but they should also stay in the kitchen and make babies, because there’s no way they could do a man’s job either.

Come off it. I imagine everyone stronger than you is on shit too. Kara has competed many times under drug tested conditions, so unless your proof is something more than “she’s broken the glass ceiling of powerlifting I was trying to keep her under”, please bring a wee bit more evidence before accusing her of something. I have seen girls with smaller BMI’s than Kara bench 200 raw with a pause drug free. Just because this chick benches more than you is no excuse for you to go accusing her of illegal activity.
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What would you like me to say? That men and women are equal in strength? Everyone knows that is bullshit, perhaps they are afraid to say it because they want to be PC, but I really don’t give a fuck about that.

There is a direct relationship between testosterone and strength levels. Why do you think that steroids work in the first place? If you give a woman steroids, she will produce something that she would not be able to produce otherwise. If you give a man test, he will make more than he could naturally.

supermick · June 27, 2006, 5:42pm

[quote]RickJames wrote:
supermick wrote:
Kara is a powerlifter and Not a goddess, although im sure some of you think otherwise.
No-one in this thread is personally attacking her, its more critising her gear, ROM, maybe shes been on test etc. IMO there is nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong with having a different point of view but all the overprotective posts are a bit pukeworthy to be honest.
If i posted a vid of me benching i’d expect criticism - why should she be different? As long is it wasnt personal i wouldnt bat an eyelid.

Maybe it’s because I’m actually around people that lift everyday, but to me, it was no big deal that she arched, reduced ROM, used a shirt, etc. It is what it is. If you can’t figure out that what she did is impressive for a female (or even most guys her size), you probably don’t spend a lot of time around women or people that lift. I know what it takes to arch, reduce ROM, and all the other tricks powerlfiters use, and I know the difference between that and flat backing a close grip bench.
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This is still no reason why we cant be critical? Its impressive but nothing is beyond reproach, be it a picture, building or bench press.

Your moulding peoples opinions to fit your arguement. Training video? so what? We can still critise. People have made the point that her denim makes her a LOT stronger. It does. No one said she was piss poor without, which is what your hinting at.

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This of course harkens back to the one thread about the bodybuilder benching 225 for, what, 47 reps? That, too, was just a performance. Those that have actually benched something for an appreciable number of reps had a good idea of what that would translate to the way they lift. I think it’s just a basic misunderstanding on a lot of people’s parts on how different ways of lifting can relate to each other. [/quote]
I can see where you coming from in that you feel your opinion is more informed than your average lifter due to your lifting experience but other matters have been addressed ontop of this in this thread. Some good points have been raised regarding different feds, gear, chemicals etc, mostly from people who are not impressed with that training video. Shes a strong girl, no doubt and i have nothing but respect for a chick who spends time in the gym, roids or not, but that style of lifting and the paraphanalia around it are not for some people. Me included.
Nothing wrong with a little critcism.

H_Bomb · June 27, 2006, 5:49pm

Personally, I think that was the hottest thing I’ve ever seen.

supermick · June 27, 2006, 5:59pm

[quote]H-Bomb wrote:
Personally, I think that was the hottest thing I’ve ever seen.[/quote]

lol

heavythrower · June 27, 2006, 6:23pm

[quote]RickJames wrote:
supermick wrote:
Kara is a powerlifter and Not a goddess, although im sure some of you think otherwise.
No-one in this thread is personally attacking her, its more critising her gear, ROM, maybe shes been on test etc. IMO there is nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong with having a different point of view but all the overprotective posts are a bit pukeworthy to be honest.
If i posted a vid of me benching i’d expect criticism - why should she be different? As long is it wasnt personal i wouldnt bat an eyelid.

Maybe it’s because I’m actually around people that lift everyday, but to me, it was no big deal that she arched, reduced ROM, used a shirt, etc. It is what it is. If you can’t figure out that what she did is impressive for a female (or even most guys her size), you probably don’t spend a lot of time around women or people that lift. I know what it takes to arch, reduce ROM, and all the other tricks powerlfiters use, and I know the difference between that and flat backing a close grip bench.

It seemed that people got their panties in a wad about how she was lifting when it was, in fact, a training video with no claims attached. This lead to some very ignorant comments from a lot of people. Luckily we have several people aspiring to be the next Captain Obvious, so facts from the video were quickly pointed out. With some of the comments made, you’d start to think people here couldn’t imagine Kara able to bench 95lbs in any other way, shape, or form.

This of course harkens back to the one thread about the bodybuilder benching 225 for, what, 47 reps? That, too, was just a performance. Those that have actually benched something for an appreciable number of reps had a good idea of what that would translate to the way they lift. I think it’s just a basic misunderstanding on a lot of people’s parts on how different ways of lifting can relate to each other. [/quote]

rick, i think what is going on here is more than just the usual complaining by the masses about “roids” or etc. when they see somebody extraordinary(Kara for example) doing something they cant do.

i think that the gear issue in PL has reached a critical mass, and people just do not want to deal with it anymore. it has gotten to the point that people know how ridiculous it is, and refuse to acknowledge that these people are as strong as the numbers they put up up in gear.

the general lifting community are just sick of it. if it makes you or anyone else upset that when somebody posts a video or something of somebody hitting numbers in a jacked up shirt or 4 ply squat suit 3/4 to parallel, that LOTS of people say “big deal” or “not impressed”, GET USED TO IT. either do something to change the sport, or keep it even more underground and keep the vids and proclamations off the more diverse boards such as this.

only a few more tolerant individuals, and those who are actually in the sport take this shit seriously anymore. i understand that extreme gear is a feature of the top level of this sport, but i just think it is silly for anyone to expect acceptance of this crap by people not “sold” on it.

it is like asking the average american to take world cup soccer seriously. " hey, this is the worlds best sport damnit!!! WHY dont you like it? it is BETTER than football i tell you!!!" but the average guy on the street here could care less, they do not like soccer. see the point i am making?

the hardcore PL and PL fans are running around and banging there heads against a wall, and throwing themselves on the ground and having a tantrum because most people (yes MOST) in the lifting community think the gear is out of hand.

it is funny actually.

Mr_Bear · June 27, 2006, 6:39pm

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
RickJames wrote:
supermick wrote:
Kara is a powerlifter and Not a goddess, although im sure some of you think otherwise.
No-one in this thread is personally attacking her, its more critising her gear, ROM, maybe shes been on test etc. IMO there is nothing wrong with this and nothing wrong with having a different point of view but all the overprotective posts are a bit pukeworthy to be honest.
If i posted a vid of me benching i’d expect criticism - why should she be different? As long is it wasnt personal i wouldnt bat an eyelid.