Kanye West

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READ AT YOUR OWN RISK

Lots of tangents and lots of vollies on this thread, I’m gonna add a few more.

DOES President Bush care about black people?

I don’t think he spends the majority of his time thinking of ways to better the black mans position in america. Should he? (thats a question mark not a period)

Do white people care about black people?

I’m white and on the whole, I don’t think I spend alot of time caring about blacks. But I don’t spend time caring about whites or asians or native americans either. Should I?
I care for my family.

Does President Bush care about white people?

I doubt he spends his time pondering the plights of the average white man. Should he? Is that his duty?

Do black people care about white people?

I doubt also that the average black man is concerned with the problems facing the average white man. Should they?

I think whites stick together and blacks stick together but as far as actually caring about eachother…I don’t know, I think both groups have their moments.

But, I don’t think this has anything to do with the tragedy in New Orleans. And if people insist that it does then please provide some solid links or emperical evidence to back it up. Logic should be the measuring stick not emotion. Eller hur?

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Finally you have topped off all your senseless post with a homophobic post. Congratulations.

Because this person likes Kanye West and stands up for him because of the foolishness of your comments that makes him obsessed with him?

Are you and doogie the same person? I find the majority of your post are attacking someone.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
MuscleMachine17 wrote:
Oh btw, he has an IQ of 160, which is probably higher than everybody on this thread.
But yeah, what an idiot.

Damn, kiddo - instead of staring at a picture of Kayne West every night when you pleasure yourself, you might want to try a Playboy. or Hustler, or a Victoria’s Secret catalog.

Unless you are as gay as your posts seem to indicate. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.[/quote]

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
Some of that clip was actually cut out. The five-seconds prior to that Kanye was talking about how the media has portrayed blacks regarding this situation, and he made a very valid point. I don’t know if this is the proper platform for him to attack the president though, as it is a trajedy and we should be putting our efforts into helping as many as we can, rather than getting into a huge fight over politics.[/quote]

I agree. Not the time to try and get that message out. I didn’t really agree with everything he was saying, that they’re getting rescue workers there slower to the blacks? But he’s right about the media and he should have held off at this occasion.

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Go kill yourself, ouch.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I can’t tell you the number of times I walk into my local gym and the gym manager has found his favorite “scream metal” station. You know, the type of music that involves no vocal talent AT ALL, plenty of random guitar chords played at max volume and some guy screaming his ass off in inaudible “lyics” that don’t even rhyme? THAT’S CRAP. If you want to talk about crap, talk about Brittany Spears’ entire greatest hits album. Crap? How about every wannabe “rock artist” who hits the scene, all sounding the same.

Hip Hop has had its dark days as well, however, anyone who would describe that entire genre as “crap” is either a dumbass, extremely biased, or clueless. Maybe they are all three.

Damn Prof, I usually like your posts but you basically just called yourself a dumbass, extremely biased, or clueless. I’m gonna go with extremely biased.

No, you just labeled yourself as illiterate. I listen to some rock music, therefore, I would never call all Rock “crap”. Go kill yourself.[/quote]
Wow someone is on the rag! Hmmm illiterate, eh? Didn’t you just post THATS CRAP–there is an actual “genre” if you will of music called screamo which is basically what you referred to then called it crap flat out, then a few words later you say that anyone that anyone that describes an entire genre as crap is one of three things. I actually agree all your posts up till this and I love old soul and hip hop among other genres.
" go kill yourself" --what the fuck is that? I kind of respected you in your postings up to this point but man go fuck yourself and I hope you have the chance to say that in person someday.

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If someone as smart as Anna Nicole Smith thinks that Kanye’s a genius, who are we to argue?

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/videoplayer/newVid/small_player/cbsnews_videoplayer.shtml?clip=/media/2004/11/16/video655943.wmv&sec=207&vidId=207&title=Anna$@$Nicoles$@$Antics&hitboxMLC=entertainment

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[quote]dcb wrote:
If someone as smart as Anna Nicole Smith thinks that Kanye’s a genius, who are we to argue?

CBSNews.com / CBS News Video [/quote]

Damn. I apologize.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
Wow someone is on the rag! Hmmm illiterate, eh? Didn’t you just post THATS CRAP–there is an actual “genre” if you will of music called screamo which is basically what you referred to then called it crap flat out, then a few words later you say that anyone that anyone that describes an entire genre as crap is one of three things. I actually agree all your posts up till this and I love old soul and hip hop among other genres.
" go kill yourself" --what the fuck is that? I kind of respected you in your postings up to this point but man go fuck yourself and I hope you have the chance to say that in person someday.
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You respecting me is not my goal in life. You being that offended is actually pretty damn funny considering that comment is used randomly by many people I know as almost slang for “stop being stupid”. But then, I forget that some of you are so literal that, By Golly, any use of words that doesn’t line up directly with the Queen’s English will have many of you looking like a deer caught in head lights at “what’s up”.

I have never heard of “screamo” used a title for an entire genre of music. If anything, it should stand for a subgroup of rock or alternative music, not a genre all to itself. Is it “rock music” or what? Is it “alternative”? Hell, can it even be classified as “music” considering much of what I have heard follows very little song structure at all?

This was written by Thunderbolt earlier:

There is no genius in rap music? I don’t expect you to justify the comments of another, but I do wonder why you choose to speak up now, but held your tongue earlier while others ripped apart rap music as if it can’t compare to any other genre of music.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Wow someone is on the rag! Hmmm illiterate, eh? Didn’t you just post THATS CRAP–there is an actual “genre” if you will of music called screamo which is basically what you referred to then called it crap flat out, then a few words later you say that anyone that anyone that describes an entire genre as crap is one of three things. I actually agree all your posts up till this and I love old soul and hip hop among other genres.
" go kill yourself" --what the fuck is that? I kind of respected you in your postings up to this point but man go fuck yourself and I hope you have the chance to say that in person someday.

You respecting me is not my goal in life. You being that offended is actually pretty damn funny considering that comment is used randomly by many people I know as almost slang for “stop being stupid”. But then, I forget that some of you are so literal that, By Golly, any use of words that doesn’t line up directly with the Queen’s English will have many of you looking like a deer caught in head lights at “what’s up”.

I have never heard of “screamo” used a title for an entire genre of music. If anything, it should stand for a subgroup of rock or alternative music, not a genre all to itself. Is it “rock music” or what? Is it “alternative”? Hell, can it even be classified as “music” considering much of what I have heard follows very little song structure at all?

This was written by Thunderbolt earlier:
As for his musical ‘genius’ - there is no genius in rap music or pop music period. It doesn’t take much talent to appeal to the lowest common denominator and string together ‘dirty wordies’ so moronic teenagers will spend $20 on CD because it makes them feel tough. If that is ‘genius’, then we are available for the title.

There is no genius in rap music? I don’t expect you to justify the comments of another, but I do wonder why you choose to speak up now, but held your tongue earlier while others ripped apart rap music as if it can’t compare to any other genre of music.

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Is this the same Professor X that normally posts on this site? I’m starting to think that you are his little borther posting for him or something. You make no fucking sense at all. zero. I don’t even know what your referring to in your post about being literal. The real professor x seemed rather intelligent, I thought.
You are the one that stated the gym guy put on a “scream metal” station. That seems like a classification to me. I’m sure on that station there are a bunch of genres of metal including screamo, and no metal is not rock to most that listen to it. I personally think genre classification is lame. I either like it or don’t. Although in my personal opinion/classification I have a difference between rap and hip hop although most people think they are the same. To me rap is all that BS rapping about your ride, your grill, being in da club. To me hip hop is having something to say with good beats behind it–common, nas, etc.
I didn’t jump in earlier because I could care less if people on here think rap is crap. Music is one of those things in life that you’re not going to sway someone’s opinion by telling them, they will hear it and either feel it or not.
I jumped in because I thought your post was funny because you basically called yourself out and I was pointing that out. I mainly just thought it was funny and wasn’t trying to make anything of it, just ribbing ya really for contradicting yourself.
Relax go home, get laid. I’m going to do the same.

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[quote]provy07 wrote:
Finally you have topped off all your senseless post with a homophobic post. Congratulations.

Because this person likes Kanye West and stands up for him because of the foolishness of your comments that makes him obsessed with him?

Are you and doogie the same person? I find the majority of your post are attacking someone.
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Evidently you have reading problems. I don’t know if you are a product of public education, but I think you skipped reading class ot least a few times in your life.

Doogie and I are hardly the same person.

with regards to your comments about MuscleTeen, or whatever his name is - you have not read all of his posts. I am not the only one to call attention to his less-than-healthy pre-occupation with Mr. West.

Now run along and try picking on someone that shares the same reading level as you. You might wind up picking on a third grader - but I’m sure he’ll go easy on you.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
Is this the same Professor X that normally posts on this site? I’m starting to think that you are his little borther posting for him or something. You make no fucking sense at all. zero. I don’t even know what your referring to in your post about being literal. [/quote]

You don’t understand the concept of being literal? How old are you? If someone says, “Go fuck yourself”, do you start looking for vasoline?

[quote]

I didn’t jump in earlier because I could care less if people on here think rap is crap. Music is one of those things in life that you’re not going to sway someone’s opinion by telling them, they will hear it and either feel it or not.[/quote]

Most people know what they like or don’t like. If someone had simply said, “I don’t like rap”, very few would have even raised an eyebrow at this thread. The difference was the degradation…that so many, including yourself, seem to be unable to see. Why would anyone feel motivated to say that Rap has no genius? All of the people I grew up with, a few like Nas who appear to me to be poets that very few can match aren’t masters of an art form? Those are the words of someone who turns their nose up when rap is discussed. It is someone who turns their nose up at what gave me motivation growing up…so naturally, some feelings are involved. It is amazing to me that this is understood by so few people.

Why do some of you think that anyone is standing up for Kanye West? To me, he is above average, but he is by no means “legendary”, at least not yet. I think, for the moment, even Eminem has him as far as originality in lyrics or story telling.

We had one earlier poster, not in this thread, talk about “dressing gangster”. I asked him what that meant and he never responded back. Some of you have no concept of how this isn’t just music, but often a culture. You know the white tee-shirts that you see some white kids wearing now with the platinum chain? You know, the kids who grew up richer than than most kids could ever dream but want to act like they are straight from the hood? We wore those. I wore them in high school, and even when I first got to college. Why? because I was broke. A new Hanes tee-shirt doesn’t cost much. Buy a gold chain at the flea market, throw on a clean white tee shirt, some jeans, and a new pair of sneakers, and you are basically set to impress. “Pop culture” has taken those same cultural styles and, as a result, has cheapened what instigated it.

I will still wear a jersey when just going out and it doesn’t mean “gangster” like some seem to falsley believe. If you want to know why some people get pissed when an entire genre is crapped on, that’s why. If it needs to be explained any deeper than that, then you will simply never get it.

Pop culture isn’t real. If it goes pop, it isn’t anything like what gave it influence.

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Prof X is just being pissy today he’ll be cool tomorow

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
storey420 wrote:

You respecting me is not my goal in life. You being that offended is actually pretty damn funny considering that comment is used randomly by many people I know as almost slang for “stop being stupid”. But then, I forget that some of you are so literal that, By Golly, any use of words that doesn’t line up directly with the Queen’s English will have many of you looking like a deer caught in head lights at “what’s up”.

[quote]

In this statement you refer to “that comment” being used as slang. Which comment? I made several. That was my confusion. I am 30, I grasp the concept of being literal.
Why do you lump me in with this shit? I think Nas is brilliant and love that type of hip hop. I think Kanye is alright. Little John obviously has some excellent skills as a producer to keep cranking out hits but I personally think his music is shite and laughable. This whole thread went awry when people starting pairing his music/art with his statements–no correlation. If Mike Myers had made that statements would we be critiquing his acting ability? I hope not but in light of this thread, I’m sure some would. That is why I stayed out of this thread because it took that turn.

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[quote]MuscleMachine17 wrote:
Oh btw, he has an IQ of 160, which is probably higher than everybody on this thread.
But yeah, what an idiot.[/quote]

no man, that’s his blood pressure…

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
In this statement you refer to “that comment” being used as slang. Which comment? I made several. That was my confusion. I am 30, I grasp the concept of being literal.
Why do you lump me in with this shit? I think Nas is brilliant and love that type of hip hop. I think Kanye is alright. Little John obviously has some excellent skills as a producer to keep cranking out hits but I personally think his music is shite and laughable. This whole thread went awry when people starting pairing his music/art with his statements–no correlation. If Mike Myers had made that statements would we be critiquing his acting ability? I hope not but in light of this thread, I’m sure some would. That is why I stayed out of this thread because it took that turn. [/quote]

Then we don’t disgaree at all. That is exactly how I feel. However, you can see that this isn’t the case with most others. The majority have used this as their one chance to bash an entire genre of music, and that is the only thing that even has me responding in this thread.

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[quote]MuscleMachine17 wrote:
Oh btw, he has an IQ of 160, which is probably higher than everybody on this thread.
But yeah, what an idiot.[/quote]

Oh, gee, that makes it ok, then!

So seriously, which IQ test do I have to take that gives me a free pass to say any dumbass thing I like and not have to be held accountable for it? Maybe Noam Chomsky could help me out on this one, but I think he’s too busy battling the illuminati at the moment.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Then we don’t disgaree at all. That is exactly how I feel. However, you can see that this isn’t the case with most others. The majority have used this as their one chance to bash an entire genre of music, and that is the only thing that even has me responding in this thread.[/quote]

Since Pro X got his precious feelers hurt because someone decided to bash a genre of music he likes, a little clarification.

Some poster early on referred to Kanye West as a musical genius.

I replied that he was not and that there are no geniuses in rap (or pop). Simple explanation: rap is a music form that relies entirely too much on recreativity, and not creativity.

That being said, in order to be an equal opportunity basher, I don’t really think there are many geniuses in music period these days, with the exception of the high end instrumentalists. Hard to say what constitutes a ‘genius’ outside of musicianship, but one reliable measure is the staying power of the music. In twenty years, which rapper from now will people be talking about? Which song? For that matter - forget rappers - will anyone from now be talked about in 20 years?

Pro X enjoys an uncanny double standard, though - he can slam country music and its boot-wearing listeners and metal music and its high level of musicianship (technically, though I am not much of a fan) with abandon, but rap is a Holy Grail, not be criticized unless you know the music.

Well, till you strap on some boots and Stetson and ride the mechanical bull at Jilley’s, Pro X, by your own standard, you can’t have an opinion on country music.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Pro X enjoys an uncanny double standard, though - he can slam country music and its boot-wearing listeners and metal music and its high level of musicianship (technically, though I am not much of a fan) with abandon, but rap is a Holy Grail, not be criticized unless you know the music.

Well, till you strap on some boots and Stetson and ride the mechanical bull at Jilley’s, Pro X, by your own standard, you can’t have an opinion on country music.[/quote]

I said I didn’t think Garth Brooks was all that talented. I didn’t say that the entire genre was worthless. That is the difference. You would do better to quote me directly.

My musical tastes are all over the place. I have Linken Park, Evanescence and System of a Down in my MP3 player right next to Kanye West, The Black Eyed Peas, and Jay-Z. I have listened to one of Garth Brooks cd’s. I borrowed one from a friend in high school just to hear where his talent was. I wrote my school’s song that year. I was very into writing music growing up and had access to a record deal my freshman year in college.

Problems between my age at the time and my parents made that fall through, but you aren’t talking to someone who doesn’t know music at all. I play three different instruments that I won’t go into now and still have at least 80 songs that I have written with over 30 already recorded that I may never do anything with professionally. You thought you knew me, didn’t you? And, yes, we are talking about singing, not rapping.

I never wrote that I hate metal music either. In fact, I wrote that I listen to some of it. The only form of music that I even question whether it can be classified as music is what has been referred to as “screamo”. What I have heard from that sounded nothing like rythm, structure or even a set key to be played in.

It was all over the place so I will forever question whether any “musical style” can be associated with what I have heard from it. Care to continue this debate?

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what do you do for a living x?

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[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
what do you do for a living x? [/quote]

I am a doctor in the military.