Kanye West

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[quote]concrete wrote:
Why anyone would vote for Reagan or Arnold is beyond me. Btw, are you a fan of the Blue Devils or the former canidate for gov. of La. David Duke?[/quote]

With degrees in Sociology and Economics, I would say Reagan was a good candidate. They don’t get much better when you consider that the job involves dealing with the sociological and economic impact that policies will have on a population like we have in the U.S. I don’t know what Arnolds educational background is though, and Sonny Bono is a mystery.

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[quote]concrete wrote:
rainjack wrote:
concrete wrote:
dukefan4ever wrote:
What makes actors and singers think that just because they can ‘sing or act’ makes them an expert on politics, is beyond me.

Why anyone would vote for Reagan or Arnold is beyond me. Btw, are you a fan of the Blue Devils or the former canidate for gov. of La. David Duke?

What is it with the childish, pointless dumbasses today? My God - learn how to argue with some semblance of intelligence, or just don’t push the send button.

Touche’
I may be a childish dumbass, but the two sentences I posted were supposed to have a point. I foolishly dared to aim for irony. Lacking any semblance of intelligence, I now realize I was doomed to fall far short of the mark.
The first sentence would have to be rephrased for any chance at success, perhaps you would be kind enough to provide an example of how it could be done. The second sentence is, perhaps, superfluous. For those too young to remember or those who choose not to remember, David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and founder of the National Association for the Advancement of White People, ran for governor of La. as a Republican, garnering 32% of the vote in an open primary, good enough for second place, forcing a runoff against the “crook” Edwin Edwards. The irony of someone calling himself dukefan4ever labeling Kanye West an “idiot” for suggesting racism factored into the government’s response to the tragic post-Katrina conditions in La. is so obvious, it hardly requires my feeble atempt to point it out. I apologize if I insulted your semblance of intelligence.

I’m now glad I didn’t throw in an Ignatious J. Reilly reference in my previous post in this thread. Such folly would have left me open to attack by dimwitted internet bullies.[/quote]

Well done.

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[quote]concrete wrote:
rainjack wrote:
concrete wrote:
dukefan4ever wrote:
What makes actors and singers think that just because they can ‘sing or act’ makes them an expert on politics, is beyond me.

Why anyone would vote for Reagan or Arnold is beyond me. Btw, are you a fan of the Blue Devils or the former canidate for gov. of La. David Duke?

What is it with the childish, pointless dumbasses today? My God - learn how to argue with some semblance of intelligence, or just don’t push the send button.

Touche’
I may be a childish dumbass, but the two sentences I posted were supposed to have a point. I foolishly dared to aim for irony. Lacking any semblance of intelligence, I now realize I was doomed to fall far short of the mark.
The first sentence would have to be rephrased for any chance at success, perhaps you would be kind enough to provide an example of how it could be done. The second sentence is, perhaps, superfluous. For those too young to remember or those who choose not to remember, David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and founder of the National Association for the Advancement of White People, ran for governor of La. as a Republican, garnering 32% of the vote in an open primary, good enough for second place, forcing a runoff against the “crook” Edwin Edwards. The irony of someone calling himself dukefan4ever labeling Kanye West an “idiot” for suggesting racism factored into the government’s response to the tragic post-Katrina conditions in La. is so obvious, it hardly requires my feeble atempt to point it out. I apologize if I insulted your semblance of intelligence.

I’m now glad I didn’t throw in an Ignatious J. Reilly reference in my previous post in this thread. Such folly would have left me open to attack by dimwitted internet bullies.[/quote]

If you apology was directed at me, there’s no need. This is an open forum and we are all adults with strong feelings one way or the other.

BTW: The Duke in my name is for the Blue Devils of Duke U., not David Duke. I think he was an idiot also.

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[quote]concrete wrote:
Touche’
I may be a childish dumbass, but the two sentences I posted were supposed to have a point. I foolishly dared to aim for irony. Lacking any semblance of intelligence, I now realize I was doomed to fall far short of the mark.
The first sentence would have to be rephrased for any chance at success, perhaps you would be kind enough to provide an example of how it could be done. The second sentence is, perhaps, superfluous. For those too young to remember or those who choose not to remember, David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and founder of the National Association for the Advancement of White People, ran for governor of La. as a Republican, garnering 32% of the vote in an open primary, good enough for second place, forcing a runoff against the “crook” Edwin Edwards. The irony of someone calling himself dukefan4ever labeling Kanye West an “idiot” for suggesting racism factored into the government’s response to the tragic post-Katrina conditions in La. is so obvious, it hardly requires my feeble atempt to point it out. I apologize if I insulted your semblance of intelligence.

I’m now glad I didn’t throw in an Ignatious J. Reilly reference in my previous post in this thread. Such folly would have left me open to attack by dimwitted internet bullies.[/quote]

I am well aware of what you were trying to say. I must still beg the question - what relevance does Ronald Reagan - who
gave up acting to be one of the greates Presidents we will ever see - or Arnold have in this argument? Their political endeavors go just a tad beyond running their mouth off in front of a camera.

Bad examples - that is if you were trying to make a real point.

As for the D-Duke reference - I’m just about sick and tired of the goddamn race card being pulled out everytime there is a disagreement. It is just a very small way to argue. And I would hope that you could make your points without trying to turn it into a race thing. I think I made all of my points without even giving a shit about his color. An idiot is pretty much colorless in my book.

But nice try at cracking wise - you just need to try a little harder next time. Or at the very least - stop sounding like the other dumbasses that all seemed to find their way on to the poitical forum yesterday.

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To b honest I didnt read all of hte stuff in this thread, jus the first page…

but anyhows.

musically - kanye is a genius. his productions are immense, his rapping isn’t. but hes pretty fair at that as well so let him off lol. He should stick to working with other people and producing other peoples tunes.

neways in terms of what he said, I agree with the guy that said he just had the balls to say what no one else did, which I respect. you could tell he was nervous an rambled a bit, but he said what he had to say and well done to him. maybe he went a bit overboard, but at least he put in what he thinks and spoke out.

when your average person wants to say something, it will have no impact. when a celebrity (especially a frequently outspoken one) speaks their mind that can only be good…

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[quote]millasur wrote:
To b honest I didnt read all of hte stuff in this thread, jus the first page…

but anyhows.

musically - kanye is a genius. his productions are immense, his rapping isn’t. but hes pretty fair at that as well so let him off lol. He should stick to working with other people and producing other peoples tunes.

neways in terms of what he said, I agree with the guy that said he just had the balls to say what no one else did, which I respect. you could tell he was nervous an rambled a bit, but he said what he had to say and well done to him. maybe he went a bit overboard, but at least he put in what he thinks and spoke out.

when your average person wants to say something, it will have no impact. when a celebrity (especially a frequently outspoken one) speaks their mind that can only be good…[/quote]

I don’t see how further pushing race relations down the gutter is ‘good’.

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Man…

First, I like Kanye’s new goldigger track, and in doing a little research realized that he’s produced and recorded some pretty good music.

A genius though? No, I don’t think so.

Anyway, he’s hot right now, hot like hot fire. He’s pretty intelligent, from what I can tell he’s not talking so much about bling and bitches as much as he’s digging into social commentary and situations in his own life.

However, with that being said, what he did was way over the top and WRONG. He was in a position to really do something key and important, to help rally a younger set of the populus toward being more involved in this cause. All he did by opening his gash was spread animosity and hate. That’s not societal leadership, that my friends is social irresponsibility.

He’s kind of downplayed his outburst since then, stating that he’s focusing on being an entertainer, which is what he should have focused on to begin with. He hasn’t retracted his statement, and as a man I can respect that he’s not backing down from what he said. But the dude needs to think before he speaks, especially in front of such a huge forum of impressionable people.

Harry Connick Jr’s approach in my opinion is much more respectable, and has given me a greater respect for who he is. Lets hope that other influential people follow HIS lead rather than Kanye’s.

GAINER

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OK , the guy made a comment that has caused an uproar . i dont agree with him but writing beligerent words on this post wont help matters . more or less these days those in hollywood or in the music industry seem that their opinions should be taken in high regard. or we could just shrug our shoulders and say that is just one mans opinion.

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Appreciated regarding race relations, I’m not in America and race is not an issue for me. so good luck to all dem der an I hope it can be sorted out ok :S im jus as far away from bush’s stance as possible I think…

elevationgane, I could t alk to you in depth bout different tunes music etc, but anyways, I think some of the stuff he’s done is amazing, his ideas etc are all next level an the way songs off the new album change throughout the tracks… neways sorry, more to the point →

I once again appreciate what your saying, he could have done something key and important, but I think he felt what he did was Key and important, it was his chance to speak out. maybe at the wrong time and in the wrong way…

but definately seeing your point, maybe it was wrong, but respect for doing it and makinng points…

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Mike Myers looks like he is about to punch him in the face.

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Use some common sense people. What he said before was well constructed. The latter, the first clip, was obviously rushed and said with emotions. They probably gave him the cue that he was done and what does he do…tries to get another message across before his time is up. How many times have we all fumbled over words when emotions take over and we are constricted by time? We fumble words and dont usually get our points across as eloquently as possible, but thats a gross understatement.

Just remember when you were a little piss ant asking that hot girl out from the club that you didnt have a chance with…did everything come out as planned? I’d wager, not.

He was pressed for time to make a statement. It didnt come out as planned and it was evident by the way he fumbled his words and his nervous demenor. That wasnt a teleprompter speech he gave but it was still a better showing than Bush’s “Sovereignty” trainwreck…

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[quote]sikunt wrote:
Mike Myers looks like he is about to punch him in the face.[/quote]

No, he looks confused…more like a deer in the headlights. I thought the look on Chris Tucker’s face was pretty priceless though.

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Kanye West is one of the better producers out there, he is a rapper as well and raps about meaningful topics but his skill creating the musical portion of songs are far superior than his rapping ability, delivery or lyrics. Quality rap/hip hop is over. Pick up Nas, Jay-z, or Biggie’s first cds and you will see how far this shithole of a genre has fallen even though it is more popular now than ever. Those that are talking about how Kanye West sucks are referring to Hip Hop or Rap in general, or anything else that someone takes hold of from a marketing aspect because it can make alot of people rich. IT FUCKING SUCKS

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Hmm. Looks as if Kanye doesn’t speak for that huge contingent of conservatives everyone knows inhabit Massachusetts - unless this is just spin from the famously conservatively biased entertainment-section reporters of the Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2005/09/09/nfl_kickoff_show_falls_short_at_gillette/

EXCERPT:

Maroon 5 came off vapidly (doing just one song, ''Harder to Breathe"), while West did one tune, ''Heard 'Em Say." Yet it was disconcerting to hear his name booed loudly by Patriots fans who evidently didn’t appreciate his nationally televised comment the other night on a Hurricane Katrina benefit that President Bush ''doesn’t care about black people." The boos were thunderous and lasted for much of his number.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

I’m not doogie, but if the guy is as much of a genius as everyone is saying - why can;t he put together a coherent sentence? I mean Mike Meyers was standing right next to him and at the very least he sounded lucid.

Kayne West sounded like an idiot - and had he been white and been as incoherent, I think ‘crack head’ would be an applicable description of the white idiot as well.

Crying “racism” whenever the idiot in question is black is just pure ignorance. [/quote]

After watching the posted video clip, Kayne reminded me of the door-to-door sales man in Office Space that tried to sell magazines to Peter at his apartment. Ends being a former programmer who makes more money. If memory serves me, I believe the dude said he was a former crack head or crack addict.

Had I not known who hell Kayne was, I would have thought he was a crack addict. In all honesty, my girlfriend and I were channel surfing and stopped when we saw the clip being played. Seeing Mike Myers, we both assumed it was a comedy skit when Kayne said what he did. It took about two seconds and the reactions of Mike Myers and Chris Tucker to realize that it was live and for the benefit of the hurricane victims.

While I believe in free speech and all the BS we tend to hear with it, I dont believe a live national benefit was the right forum for his rant.

What really gets me though, is that this post has turned into a rant about racism. It seems to me that anyone on this board who makes any critical remarks about anyone of the African American race, is bound to be labeled a racist within a few posts. And anyone who comes to their defense, is a raciest as well.

Criticism is defined as “disapproval expressed by pointing out faults or shortcomings” This in no way points to the race of the person; it is only an opinion of one person in regards to another. If anything derogatory about race is mentioned, then yes, we have a racist. In this case, nothing like that was mentioned.

People may have seen his rant as one from a moron, idiot, or as mentioned above, a rambling crack head similar to the one in Office Space. But because they are critical of a “black artist” and the comments he made at a rather inappropriate time, they are automatically labeled as racist. THAT in my eyes is total BULL S***.

In my eyes, the person who throws out the race card is more than likely to be the who is racist.

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Was last night’s performance indicative of his musical genius?

That was horrible.

" Before you ask me to go get a job today,
can I at least get a raise on the minimum wage?
And I know the government administer aids,
So I guess we just pray like the minister say"

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[quote]doogie wrote:
Was last night’s performance indicative of his musical genius?

That was horrible.

" Before you ask me to go get a job today,
can I at least get a raise on the minimum wage?
And I know the government administer aids,
So I guess we just pray like the minister say"[/quote]

I could care less about his comments because I don’t look to entertainers for political opinions, but your comment makes me wonder…do you even listen to that genre of music? If not, then critiquing it is like me saying Garth Brooks sucks. I truly don’t think he is that talented, but since he has an immense following, obviously there are quite a few people out there that think he is extremely talented. Do you get my point?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
doogie wrote:
Was last night’s performance indicative of his musical genius?

That was horrible.

" Before you ask me to go get a job today,
can I at least get a raise on the minimum wage?
And I know the government administer aids,
So I guess we just pray like the minister say"

I could care less about his comments because I don’t look to entertainers for political opinions, but your comment makes me wonder…do you even listen to that genre of music? If not, then critiquing it is like me saying Garth Brooks sucks. I truly don’t think he is that talented, but since he has an immense following, obviously there are quite a few people out there that think he is extremely talented. Do you get my point?

[/quote]

Garth Brooks suck too.

All music after Led Zeppelin pales by comparison.

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you’re a rapper with millions of dollars you have no concept of reality. take off your 71k roca chain and look around you…

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You shouldn’t even be posting on the topic of Kanye West because you obviously don’t have a clue about him or his music. You’re what they refer to as a “hater” and please don’t get on here trying to defend yourself. You will make yourself look like an even bigger fool. I think you have done a good enough job of that already. You also try to claim your comments aren’t racist while it’s completely obvious your a racist redneck. Also those throwning out excuses for doogie are being completely ignorant.

He isn’t the only closeminded person on this thread either.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Was last night’s performance indicative of his musical genius?

That was horrible.

" Before you ask me to go get a job today,
can I at least get a raise on the minimum wage?
And I know the government administer aids,
So I guess we just pray like the minister say"[/quote]