Kai at 9 Weeks Out - 297lbs & Lean KABOOM!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Bodybuilding overall needs to go back to the old days, I’m tired of looking at these mass monsters coming in at 280lbs on stage with a 45 inch slin/gh gut. Guys are killing themselves to get up to these ridiculous weights and then having a hard time getting down to contest shape (i.e trey brewer), just for the sake of saying “oh i was 310 in the offseason.” Maybe they shouldn’t come in so lean as well, but as long as the fans continue to demand these monstrous guys that are shredded it will continue to be this way. I really hope bodybuilding can get back to the classic physiques which were truly beautiful instead of these blocky creatures they now call a bodybuilder.[/quote]

Dude, your post would fit in if this were around 2002, but there are just too many guys who do have that X-frame winning lately to even write what you did.

They are cheering on Ced McMillan, not Markus Rhul, to win the O in the future.

That last vid you posted is also a little off. They were often catching off season bodybuilders and making an issue of their stomach not being flat. Guess what, when you weigh 280lbs or more and are eating POUNDS of food every 3 hours or so, your stomach won’t be flat unless you go several hours with no food and start dieting for a contest.

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Yes bodybuilding is starting to realize its flaws and I’m very glad guys like Ced, Ed Nunn and Toney Freeman are starting to win over guys with huge guts. I very much so realize that its impossible to keep a tight waist at that weight, that’s why as I said bodybuilding should go back to the old days and penalize the guys who obviously don’t have a tight waist and I think we would begin to see the beautiful physiques again. [/quote]

Agreed 100% man, what does it matter if youre 300lbs on stage or not if you still look like a fatass?

Obesity epidemic catches onto bodybuilding! [/quote]

What the hell are you even talking about? Kai Greene looks obese to you?

WHO on the pro stage currently looks like what you just wrote?

It matters a whole lot if they are 300lbs and lean like many of these guys are. Please, point out all of the “fat asses” on the Olympia stage.
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That last post of mine was a joke. Obviously no one up there is anywhere near obesity, but big distended guts in IFBB pro bodybuilding aren’t really that cool man.

Just to reinforce my point, Jay cutler won the olympia, then he lost, he shrunk his waist, still came in at 270 ish i believe, then he won again. You can’t deny that.

And at a physique point of view, you make your waist small to make your arms/legs/chest/back look BIGGER! Isn’t that a given?

I’m a big fan of Pro BB’ing and always will be, but i definately think that the future of bodybuilding should support more mass on the appendages than on the waistline.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

That last post of mine was a joke. Obviously no one up there is anywhere near obesity, but big distended guts in IFBB pro bodybuilding aren’t really that cool man.

Just to reinforce my point, Jay cutler won the olympia, then he lost, he shrunk his waist, still came in at 270 ish i believe, then he won again. You can’t deny that.

And at a physique point of view, you make your waist small to make your arms/legs/chest/back look BIGGER! Isn’t that a given?

I’m a big fan of Pro BB’ing and always will be, but i definately think that the future of bodybuilding should support more mass on the appendages than on the waistline. [/quote]

Which for the most part it has. However, if they really wanted to change standards, Cutler shouldn’t have won AT ALL.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jason van Wyk wrote:
I believe the obesity comment was a joke, but “fatass” looked like a reference to the very large stomachs of today’s very large pros, which are for many people quite unsightly. So not to say that they have the body composition of someone obese, but rather a distended stomach of similar girth. [/quote]

Most of these guys aren’t looking like that on stage at the Olympia. If you are talking about Kai’s off season appearance, I really have to wonder how some of you are gaining if your stomach looks stage ready all day long, all year long, no matter what your meal frequency is.

He’s 300lbs and eating pounds of food every 2-3 hours. I have never seen someone at that height, that filled out and if you guys can point out the “obesity” in these last two pics it would be greatly appreciated.

Boo fucking hoo, guys who weigh 300lbs don’t look as dainty as someone 100lbs lighter. That is a far cry from the statement I responded to…and I assume that poster can speak for themselves as well.[/quote]

Kai is far from an inspiration, to make the type of gains he has made in the past few years without a huge amount of abuse of drugs is impossible. These huge guts look terrible, it is indeed one of the factors that is ruining the sport. As for the person who said that deadlifting and squatting builds your midsection, very wrong. You will not get a gh/slin gut from deadlifting and squatting, go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.

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[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jason van Wyk wrote:
I believe the obesity comment was a joke, but “fatass” looked like a reference to the very large stomachs of today’s very large pros, which are for many people quite unsightly. So not to say that they have the body composition of someone obese, but rather a distended stomach of similar girth. [/quote]

Most of these guys aren’t looking like that on stage at the Olympia. If you are talking about Kai’s off season appearance, I really have to wonder how some of you are gaining if your stomach looks stage ready all day long, all year long, no matter what your meal frequency is.

He’s 300lbs and eating pounds of food every 2-3 hours. I have never seen someone at that height, that filled out and if you guys can point out the “obesity” in these last two pics it would be greatly appreciated.

Boo fucking hoo, guys who weigh 300lbs don’t look as dainty as someone 100lbs lighter. That is a far cry from the statement I responded to…and I assume that poster can speak for themselves as well.[/quote]

Kai is far from an inspiration, to make the type of gains he has made in the past few years without a huge amount of abuse of drugs is impossible. These huge guts look terrible, it is indeed one of the factors that is ruining the sport. As for the person who said that deadlifting and squatting builds your midsection, very wrong. You will not get a gh/slin gut from deadlifting and squatting, go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

All that was written about off season just went right over your head didn’t it?

I am now interested…but what the living fuck do any of you guys look like after eating to gain?

Are these comments coming from people who got big or guys who THINK they know how?

Kai is about 5’7 and has a very short torso. There is a reason he doesn’t look the same in the last pics shown 5 weeks out. No one is denying the use of any drugs on the pro level.

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[quote]nik133 wrote:
go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

LOL, you know Kroc is probably NOT a natty right?

lol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jason van Wyk wrote:
I believe the obesity comment was a joke, but “fatass” looked like a reference to the very large stomachs of today’s very large pros, which are for many people quite unsightly. So not to say that they have the body composition of someone obese, but rather a distended stomach of similar girth. [/quote]

Most of these guys aren’t looking like that on stage at the Olympia. If you are talking about Kai’s off season appearance, I really have to wonder how some of you are gaining if your stomach looks stage ready all day long, all year long, no matter what your meal frequency is.

He’s 300lbs and eating pounds of food every 2-3 hours. I have never seen someone at that height, that filled out and if you guys can point out the “obesity” in these last two pics it would be greatly appreciated.

Boo fucking hoo, guys who weigh 300lbs don’t look as dainty as someone 100lbs lighter. That is a far cry from the statement I responded to…and I assume that poster can speak for themselves as well.[/quote]

Kai is far from an inspiration, to make the type of gains he has made in the past few years without a huge amount of abuse of drugs is impossible. These huge guts look terrible, it is indeed one of the factors that is ruining the sport. As for the person who said that deadlifting and squatting builds your midsection, very wrong. You will not get a gh/slin gut from deadlifting and squatting, go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

All that was written about off season just went right over your head didn’t it?

I am now interested…but what the living fuck do any of you guys look like after eating to gain?

Are these comments coming from people who got big or guys who THINK they know how?

Kai is about 5’7 and has a very short torso. There is a reason he doesn’t look the same in the last pics shown 5 weeks out. No one is denying the use of any drugs on the pro level.[/quote]

Your point is irrelevant, the guts that these guys have are not from “eating,” it is from drug abuse, I know that if you caught somebody after eating they would have a bigger stomach. Why did none of the old school guys have huge guts like that precontest? Because they weren’t using the same drugs as these guys which not only allows them to pack on lots of muscle but it allows them to eat more. However that is a moot point, the huge guts are still from drug abuse coupled with eating, not from eating alone.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

LOL, you know Kroc is probably NOT a natty right?

lol.[/quote]

Yes I know that Matt isn’t close to natty, however I severely doubt that he is anywhere near the amount of dosage and compounds that somebody like Kai Greene is using.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

LOL, you know Kroc is probably NOT a natty right?

lol.[/quote]

I dont know for certain, but I would assume that powerlifters have a much different drug regimen than bodybuilders.

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[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

LOL, you know Kroc is probably NOT a natty right?

lol.[/quote]

Yes I know that Matt isn’t close to natty, however I severely doubt that he is anywhere near the amount of dosage and compounds that somebody like Kai Greene is using.[/quote]

So ah… Do you ramble on about shit you have no clue about in real life too, or just the internet?

To sit here and ASSume you have any clue what or how much ANY of these guys use, powerlifters, bodybuilders, track stars, football players, baseball players, Joe Schmo at the gym, is fucking ignorant beyond belief. Maybe they take a TON and have zero sides, maybe they have elite genetics and need less than a gram a week… Very few people know, certainly not you. So to keep assuming shit, and spinning the rumor mill only “ruins” the sport, just like your hated “guts” on competitors.

Simple fact is, you don’t like Kia. Fine. If that is the case, go start a thread about JRod or something. No need to sit here, like a child, and shit on someone’s achievements because it doesn’t meet YOUR ideal. You aren’t a judge, so your opinion is ultimately doo doo, just like all ours. Why fucking up a good thread, that is celebrating this guy, with your rambling? Shit, start and “I hate Kia thread.” At least your comments will be relevant.

I’m not a huge Kia fan, and personally hope Phil whoops his fucking ass. BUT, I’m not going to make 400 posts in a thread about HIM and HIS accomplishments putting the guy down.

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[quote]Shlllink wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

LOL, you know Kroc is probably NOT a natty right?

lol.[/quote]

I dont know for certain, but I would assume that powerlifters have a much different drug regimen than bodybuilders.

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Keep ASSuming shit. You should try that at work and your marriage.

Works wonders

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
LOL, you know Kroc is probably NOT a natty right?

lol.[/quote]

There is no probably about it.

Who here had honestly heard of Kai Greene before 2006 or so? Certainly not me because besides his posing style he was just like every other 5’8 210 lb(stage) bodybuilder. Looked fantastic but that’s not the kind of size one needs to be at to succeed on the pro stage. When the top dog in the sport Jay Cutler is showing up 50-60 lbs heavier than that certain sacrifices need to be made to get there. You can stay 210 with a little waist with no way to support yourself through the sport or you can bulldoze your way up to 270 on stage with a larger waist and be one of the top 3-5 bodybuilders on the planet.

That is the nature of this sport and love it or hate it everyone needs to be thick to get a fair shake. People are going to do what it takes, the food, the training(you don’t get to 270-310 off season lifting light), yes the drugs… and some of those might “hurt” the aesthetics of the physique but it’s part of the standard that’s expected.

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[quote]nik133 wrote:
Your point is irrelevant, the guts that these guys have are not from “eating,” it is from drug abuse[/quote]

Did you know that the human waist can increase by up to 6 inches after a large meal?

Also, bodybuilders of the past AT MOST weighed 250 at contest condition, Arnold for example was 240 at 6’2". He did not need to eat as much food as Kai Greene to support his weight.

By the way, how do you know those bodybuilders did not have bloated stomachs pre-contest? They could of just avoided cameras after some big carb up meals.

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[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
go take a look at Matt Kroc’s contest pics and you’ll see that he has a very small waist, it is only through drug abuse that you can get a gut like that while maintaining a 6 pack.[/quote]

LOL, you know Kroc is probably NOT a natty right?

lol.[/quote]

Yes I know that Matt isn’t close to natty, however I severely doubt that he is anywhere near the amount of dosage and compounds that somebody like Kai Greene is using.[/quote]

You know this from your own experience with drug use?

You know one or both of these guys on a very personal level?

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It really isn’t right to jump the gun and say that some competitor is using a certain amount of drugs. I’ve gotten ART treatment from Derik Farnsworth, an IFBB pro. This guy is very good friends with Jay and talks to him almost everyday. You’d be surprised how much Jay is actually using. Keep in mind that I am not stating how much drugs Jay is using. Contrary to popular belief, Derik has told me that Jay laughs at how much drugs other people are using as he is not using nearly as much. You really can’t say unless you know these guys personally.

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Just in case you don’t think they know each other…

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I mean it’s pretty simple…having a large waist is due to carrying an enormous amount of mass and this enormous amount of mass that some of these pros are carrying is only allowed by the use of certain drugs.

Like it or not, insulin changed the BBing world forever.

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This argument is just plain silly, it’s not the 60’s and 70’s anymore comparing BB then and now is like hitting your head on a GD brick wall. For the idiot who keeps bringing up GH gut; if you don’t like what BB is don’t follow it no ones making you.

I’m really excited for the O after seeing Jay the other day and seeing pictures of Kai. I’m really tempted to go, but the 5 hour car ride and my lack of money seem to be a problem.

On a side note Derik is huge for how short he is and alone looks monstrous, then when you get him next to Jay he looks like a dwarf.

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I think that pros are getting too much juice,
last beautiful MO was Haney then muscle-freaks parody,
300 lb is a weight for a 6’3’’ guy with BIG bones,
300 lb makes a small guy GROTESQUE like a cartoon,
yes , we are talking of BBing , of “not functional mass” at the end of the day,
but there are some grades of “not functional mass”; the Beautiful and the Worst.
Since 90’s somatonorm ,insuline, makes bigger muscles and bigger bellies.
who said that the freakest has to become Olympia???
personally i found Oliva,Arnold,Mentzer, (an Oliva under GH would be much more freak than today freaks,believe me),Zane,Baldwin muc h more better than today grotesque cartoons.

a link in my mind; when BB was an underground sports less money=less drugs.
now more merchandise, more sponsors,more bullshit training “theories”, more prizes= more drugs.
BUT the bodybuilder of the street , the non competitive bber (95% of us)see the pros like aliens,
no training transfert (can’t train like them),
no identity transfert (don’t wanna look like them).
yes, we like muscles but human not cow-drugged look like mucles…
I can imagine a 320 lbX5’ pro in next ten years; surely it can bench 500x10 but could he walk or needs a moto-chair to go from a room to enother?
no offence guys ,just my personal view.

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You’re body can only get so big before you die from health issues. I can’t see freaks much bigger than the dudes today. The organs just won’t be able to support a body that big.

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I understand the preference for a different look, myself personally I would MUCH rather look like Lee Labrada than Dorian Yates… but good lord if I couldn’t stand modern bodybuilding I probably wouldn’t be on a bodybuilding forum and click on a thread about a current top pro who fits in with the very thing I have issue with and post about it lol

If Cedric McMillan wins the Olympia in the next few years(a Lee Haney 2.0) are we going to still hear that stuff?