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[quote]Scott M wrote:
I understand the preference for a different look, myself personally I would MUCH rather look like Lee Labrada than Dorian Yates… but good lord if I couldn’t stand modern bodybuilding I probably wouldn’t be on a bodybuilding forum and click on a thread about a current top pro who fits in with the very thing I have issue with and post about it lol

If Cedric McMillan wins the Olympia in the next few years(a Lee Haney 2.0) are we going to still hear that stuff? [/quote]

They will find something new to bitch about.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Scott M wrote:
I understand the preference for a different look, myself personally I would MUCH rather look like Lee Labrada than Dorian Yates… but good lord if I couldn’t stand modern bodybuilding I probably wouldn’t be on a bodybuilding forum and click on a thread about a current top pro who fits in with the very thing I have issue with and post about it lol

If Cedric McMillan wins the Olympia in the next few years(a Lee Haney 2.0) are we going to still hear that stuff? [/quote]

They will find something new to bitch about.[/quote]

What they NEED to do is ditch the Undies. I want the Arnold style shorts back, i dont care if your glutes are striated

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[quote]buzza wrote:
I think that pros are getting too much juice,
last beautiful MO was Haney then muscle-freaks parody,
300 lb is a weight for a 6’3’’ guy with BIG bones,
300 lb makes a small guy GROTESQUE like a cartoon,
yes , we are talking of BBing , of “not functional mass” at the end of the day,
but there are some grades of “not functional mass”; the Beautiful and the Worst.
Since 90’s somatonorm ,insuline, makes bigger muscles and bigger bellies.
who said that the freakest has to become Olympia???
personally i found Oliva,Arnold,Mentzer, (an Oliva under GH would be much more freak than today freaks,believe me),Zane,Baldwin muc h more better than today grotesque cartoons.

a link in my mind; when BB was an underground sports less money=less drugs.
now more merchandise, more sponsors,more bullshit training “theories”, more prizes= more drugs.
BUT the bodybuilder of the street , the non competitive bber (95% of us)see the pros like aliens,
no training transfert (can’t train like them),
no identity transfert (don’t wanna look like them).
yes, we like muscles but human not cow-drugged look like mucles…
I can imagine a 320 lbX5’ pro in next ten years; surely it can bench 500x10 but could he walk or needs a moto-chair to go from a room to enother?
no offence guys ,just my personal view.[/quote]

Why are you here?

Meet Roelly Winklaar. There are many pros today who could hang with Haney aside from his back.

You sound like someone who doesn’t even follow bodybuilding today…so why comment on it when you are that clueless?

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…and I still find it hilarious that the same people dissing pro bodybuilders today would have been the same ones in the 80’s claiming Haney was too big. Haney was damn near 260lbs on stage…which at the time was unheard of aside from a very select few.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
You’re body can only get so big before you die from health issues. I can’t see freaks much bigger than the dudes today. The organs just won’t be able to support a body that big. [/quote]

LOL. You do realize they said the same thing at every single interval throughout bodybuilding history? They used to think no one could build arms measuring 19" until Leroy Colbert did it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
You’re body can only get so big before you die from health issues. I can’t see freaks much bigger than the dudes today. The organs just won’t be able to support a body that big. [/quote]

LOL. You do realize they said the same thing at every single interval throughout bodybuilding history? They used to think no one could build arms measuring 19" until Leroy Colbert did it.[/quote]

Not going to debate you X but seriously, the true freaks came around once slin entered the game, and the further one pushes the body to it’s limits, the more chance for injury or death. Biggest thing between the dudes from the 80s and freaks from today is drugs. And I have no hate for that because it’s something I could see myself doing anyways but we will leave it there.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
You’re body can only get so big before you die from health issues. I can’t see freaks much bigger than the dudes today. The organs just won’t be able to support a body that big. [/quote]

LOL. You do realize they said the same thing at every single interval throughout bodybuilding history? They used to think no one could build arms measuring 19" until Leroy Colbert did it.[/quote]

Not going to debate you X but seriously, the true freaks came around once slin entered the game, and the further one pushes the body to it’s limits, the more chance for injury or death. Biggest thing between the dudes from the 80s and freaks from today is drugs. And I have no hate for that because it’s something I could see myself doing anyways but we will leave it there. [/quote]

There’s nothing to debate. You aren’t looking at the big picture. You have no clue what medical breakthroughs in the future (especially gene therapy) could lead to in terms of bodybuilding.

No one 25 years ago would have thought there would be some guy who is 5’7" weighing over 300lbs with abs showing. It would have bee considered impossible.

They now proved that wrong…as they have been doing for the last century.

You seem to think our current technology is as advanced as anyone will ever get.

It is way more likely that 20 years from now, on some version of the internet, guys will be talking about how they long for the golden days back when competitors were ONLY 300lbs.

Guys like Ced Mcmillan are already breaking the stereotype that taller guys can’t fill out well. Imagine someone like that coming in at 320lbs.

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I’d hate to burst anyone’s bubble but most people today would find Arnold’s physique too bulky and freaky. His body has never been admired by half the country unlike what some of you believe. I think someone once described him as a condom filled with walnuts. Arnold became popular because of his personality not his body. There is a reason that Hollywood now has all kinds of skinny action heros, muscles were never in vogue and never will be. Arnold was the exeption.

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I agree with X that we’re unlikely to be reaching a limit very soon on how much muscle the body can sustain. Take it in the opposite direction and read how amazingly resilient the body was shown to be in Nazi experiments where they removed as much of the body as they could without the subject dying - it makes for grotesque but fascinating reading. With drugs, hormones, gene therapy, there’s no reason to see 300lbs as a limit. 7ft tall 400lb+ bodybuilders with abs may not be impossible.

That said, just because something is possible doesn’t make it good or desirable, and a sport where competitors enhanced by a multitude of medical technologies can train for 12 hours a day and eat 20,000 calories to build 26, 28 (or maybe more) inch biceps might not be a very popular one.

As mentioned above, we can’t train like pros, eat like pros, mostly don’t want to look like pros and can’t take pro ‘supplements’ in 2010, let alone what might be available in 2040. There’s a big gap and it’s getting larger and EVENTUALLY there may come a point where the endorsement of a 6’6, gene-enhanced 400lb stomping gorilla man isn’t going to sell protein powder - “I eat 900g of MegaDrex a day to get big” at $40 per 900g isn’t convincing or practical. It may be that the wheel turns back to a genuine, 100% tested, natural sport because that’s where the money is.

Then again, it’s a brave new world, who knows what Mr Olympia 2039 will look like?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Simonidas wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Bodybuilding overall needs to go back to the old days, I’m tired of looking at these mass monsters coming in at 280lbs on stage with a 45 inch slin/gh gut. Guys are killing themselves to get up to these ridiculous weights and then having a hard time getting down to contest shape (i.e trey brewer), just for the sake of saying “oh i was 310 in the offseason.” Maybe they shouldn’t come in so lean as well, but as long as the fans continue to demand these monstrous guys that are shredded it will continue to be this way. I really hope bodybuilding can get back to the classic physiques which were truly beautiful instead of these blocky creatures they now call a bodybuilder.[/quote]

Dude, your post would fit in if this were around 2002, but there are just too many guys who do have that X-frame winning lately to even write what you did.

They are cheering on Ced McMillan, not Markus Rhul, to win the O in the future.

That last vid you posted is also a little off. They were often catching off season bodybuilders and making an issue of their stomach not being flat. Guess what, when you weigh 280lbs or more and are eating POUNDS of food every 3 hours or so, your stomach won’t be flat unless you go several hours with no food and start dieting for a contest.

[/quote]

Yes bodybuilding is starting to realize its flaws and I’m very glad guys like Ced, Ed Nunn and Toney Freeman are starting to win over guys with huge guts. I very much so realize that its impossible to keep a tight waist at that weight, that’s why as I said bodybuilding should go back to the old days and penalize the guys who obviously don’t have a tight waist and I think we would begin to see the beautiful physiques again. [/quote]

Not everyone has the same goals or inspiration that you do. People like Kai Greene keep me motivated, just like Silvio Samuel, Coleman, Dennis James or Branch Warren. Those are the guys whose videos I have at home. I don’t have training videos of people who are way less developed than I am.[/quote]

You talk about your EGO right? [/quote]

I’m sorry, but how the hell could you possibly have a problem with me not watching videos of people who weigh up to 100lbs less than I do?

Yes, that makes you one of the ridiculous people for acting like my own goals need to fall in line with what you think is acceptable (or else, why would you think that decision marked some issue with “ego”?).

I watch training videos of people who the look the way I would like to look for motivation to get there. Why would I find the same motivation in someone who had not reached the same level?

Your post made sense to you when you first posted it, huh?[/quote]

Common now! nik133 definitely talk about classics, like Arnold, Columbu etc. (or let’s say that even about Ed Nunn or Toney Freeman also).

You can say that this kind of physique isn’t your goal and that’s OK, but saying that you don’t have their videos cause they are way less developed than you are is pretty nice bullshit here…

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An interesting point that BBB raised when discussing gut growth in another thread: these bodybuilders may well be eating large amounts things that they are allergic to, and an elimination diet may reduce distention. I know that, for example, if I start drinking lots of milk, I will look bloated and gain a couple of inches on my waist.

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[quote]buzza wrote:
I think that pros are getting too much juice,
last beautiful MO was Haney then muscle-freaks parody,
300 lb is a weight for a 6’3’’ guy with BIG bones,
300 lb makes a small guy GROTESQUE like a cartoon,
yes , we are talking of BBing , of “not functional mass” at the end of the day,
but there are some grades of “not functional mass”; the Beautiful and the Worst.
Since 90’s somatonorm ,insuline, makes bigger muscles and bigger bellies.
who said that the freakest has to become Olympia???
personally i found Oliva,Arnold,Mentzer, (an Oliva under GH would be much more freak than today freaks,believe me),Zane,Baldwin muc h more better than today grotesque cartoons.

a link in my mind; when BB was an underground sports less money=less drugs.
now more merchandise, more sponsors,more bullshit training “theories”, more prizes= more drugs.
BUT the bodybuilder of the street , the non competitive bber (95% of us)see the pros like aliens,
no training transfert (can’t train like them),
no identity transfert (don’t wanna look like them).
yes, we like muscles but human not cow-drugged look like mucles…
I can imagine a 320 lbX5’ pro in next ten years; surely it can bench 500x10 but could he walk or needs a moto-chair to go from a room to enother?
no offence guys ,just my personal view.[/quote]

Thats one of the worst poems Ive ever read.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Thats one of the worst poems Ive ever read. [/quote]

How bout this, an ode to the weak,

Bodybuilding is not,
For those weak of heart,
I’m gonna go eat protein
So I can do a big fart.

Live in the past,
For that’s all you know,
Keep making excuses
While I grow, grow, grow.

Blame all the drugs,
It could’ve been you,
But you’re just not tough enough,
To push like we do.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:
I think that pros are getting too much juice,
last beautiful MO was Haney then muscle-freaks parody,
300 lb is a weight for a 6’3’’ guy with BIG bones,
300 lb makes a small guy GROTESQUE like a cartoon,
yes , we are talking of BBing , of “not functional mass” at the end of the day,
but there are some grades of “not functional mass”; the Beautiful and the Worst.
Since 90’s somatonorm ,insuline, makes bigger muscles and bigger bellies.
who said that the freakest has to become Olympia???
personally i found Oliva,Arnold,Mentzer, (an Oliva under GH would be much more freak than today freaks,believe me),Zane,Baldwin muc h more better than today grotesque cartoons.

a link in my mind; when BB was an underground sports less money=less drugs.
now more merchandise, more sponsors,more bullshit training “theories”, more prizes= more drugs.
BUT the bodybuilder of the street , the non competitive bber (95% of us)see the pros like aliens,
no training transfert (can’t train like them),
no identity transfert (don’t wanna look like them).
yes, we like muscles but human not cow-drugged look like mucles…
I can imagine a 320 lbX5’ pro in next ten years; surely it can bench 500x10 but could he walk or needs a moto-chair to go from a room to enother?
no offence guys ,just my personal view.[/quote]

Thats one of the worst poems Ive ever read. [/quote]

Seriously, Doesn’t even Rhyme!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and I still find it hilarious that the same people dissing pro bodybuilders today would have been the same ones in the 80’s claiming Haney was too big. Haney was damn near 260lbs on stage…which at the time was unheard of aside from a very select few.[/quote]

Really X? I always thought he competed around 245 and was 260 in the off season. Pretty sure that’s it actually…

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[quote]Simonidas wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Simonidas wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Bodybuilding overall needs to go back to the old days, I’m tired of looking at these mass monsters coming in at 280lbs on stage with a 45 inch slin/gh gut. Guys are killing themselves to get up to these ridiculous weights and then having a hard time getting down to contest shape (i.e trey brewer), just for the sake of saying “oh i was 310 in the offseason.” Maybe they shouldn’t come in so lean as well, but as long as the fans continue to demand these monstrous guys that are shredded it will continue to be this way. I really hope bodybuilding can get back to the classic physiques which were truly beautiful instead of these blocky creatures they now call a bodybuilder.[/quote]

Dude, your post would fit in if this were around 2002, but there are just too many guys who do have that X-frame winning lately to even write what you did.

They are cheering on Ced McMillan, not Markus Rhul, to win the O in the future.

That last vid you posted is also a little off. They were often catching off season bodybuilders and making an issue of their stomach not being flat. Guess what, when you weigh 280lbs or more and are eating POUNDS of food every 3 hours or so, your stomach won’t be flat unless you go several hours with no food and start dieting for a contest.

[/quote]

Yes bodybuilding is starting to realize its flaws and I’m very glad guys like Ced, Ed Nunn and Toney Freeman are starting to win over guys with huge guts. I very much so realize that its impossible to keep a tight waist at that weight, that’s why as I said bodybuilding should go back to the old days and penalize the guys who obviously don’t have a tight waist and I think we would begin to see the beautiful physiques again. [/quote]

Not everyone has the same goals or inspiration that you do. People like Kai Greene keep me motivated, just like Silvio Samuel, Coleman, Dennis James or Branch Warren. Those are the guys whose videos I have at home. I don’t have training videos of people who are way less developed than I am.[/quote]

You talk about your EGO right? [/quote]

I’m sorry, but how the hell could you possibly have a problem with me not watching videos of people who weigh up to 100lbs less than I do?

Yes, that makes you one of the ridiculous people for acting like my own goals need to fall in line with what you think is acceptable (or else, why would you think that decision marked some issue with “ego”?).

I watch training videos of people who the look the way I would like to look for motivation to get there. Why would I find the same motivation in someone who had not reached the same level?

Your post made sense to you when you first posted it, huh?[/quote]

Common now! nik133 definitely talk about classics, like Arnold, Columbu etc. (or let’s say that even about Ed Nunn or Toney Freeman also).

You can say that this kind of physique isn’t your goal and that’s OK, but saying that you don’t have their videos cause they are way less developed than you are is pretty nice bullshit here…[/quote]

WTF? I wrote what MY GOAL is. I did NOT write that I am more developed than Ed Nunn. He disses MASS MONSTERS in his first post I responded to. I also specified a weight of 100lbs less and Ed Nunn isn’t small at all. He hits over 300lbs fucking pounds in the off season!..JUST LIKE TONEY FREEMAN

That means your dear boy even dissed some of the same people he mentioned…because those guys are not tiny.

I even specifically mentioned Sylvio Samuel who is closer 200lbs so how did you arrive at the conclusion you did unless you were simply nitpicking every word written?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:
I think that pros are getting too much juice,
last beautiful MO was Haney then muscle-freaks parody,
300 lb is a weight for a 6’3’’ guy with BIG bones,
300 lb makes a small guy GROTESQUE like a cartoon,
yes , we are talking of BBing , of “not functional mass” at the end of the day,
but there are some grades of “not functional mass”; the Beautiful and the Worst.
Since 90’s somatonorm ,insuline, makes bigger muscles and bigger bellies.
who said that the freakest has to become Olympia???
personally i found Oliva,Arnold,Mentzer, (an Oliva under GH would be much more freak than today freaks,believe me),Zane,Baldwin muc h more better than today grotesque cartoons.

a link in my mind; when BB was an underground sports less money=less drugs.
now more merchandise, more sponsors,more bullshit training “theories”, more prizes= more drugs.
BUT the bodybuilder of the street , the non competitive bber (95% of us)see the pros like aliens,
no training transfert (can’t train like them),
no identity transfert (don’t wanna look like them).
yes, we like muscles but human not cow-drugged look like mucles…
I can imagine a 320 lbX5’ pro in next ten years; surely it can bench 500x10 but could he walk or needs a moto-chair to go from a room to enother?
no offence guys ,just my personal view.[/quote]

Why are you here?

for your same reasons (I thinK); to learn more about bb and to write my opinions on it.
someone call it freedom of speaking…

Meet Roelly Winklaar.

well m8, if I have to fly for 5000 miles (I live In Italy) I would prefer to meet some breasted chicks LOL

There are many pros today who could hang with Haney aside from his back.

You sound like someone who doesn’t even follow bodybuilding today…so why comment on it when you are that clueless?[/quote]

wrong, I follow modern bodybulding but this doesn’t mean that I like today pros look.
and believe my words, I’m not the only.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:
I think that pros are getting too much juice,
last beautiful MO was Haney then muscle-freaks parody,
300 lb is a weight for a 6’3’’ guy with BIG bones,
300 lb makes a small guy GROTESQUE like a cartoon,
yes , we are talking of BBing , of “not functional mass” at the end of the day,
but there are some grades of “not functional mass”; the Beautiful and the Worst.
Since 90’s somatonorm ,insuline, makes bigger muscles and bigger bellies.
who said that the freakest has to become Olympia???
personally i found Oliva,Arnold,Mentzer, (an Oliva under GH would be much more freak than today freaks,believe me),Zane,Baldwin muc h more better than today grotesque cartoons.

a link in my mind; when BB was an underground sports less money=less drugs.
now more merchandise, more sponsors,more bullshit training “theories”, more prizes= more drugs.
BUT the bodybuilder of the street , the non competitive bber (95% of us)see the pros like aliens,
no training transfert (can’t train like them),
no identity transfert (don’t wanna look like them).
yes, we like muscles but human not cow-drugged look like mucles…
I can imagine a 320 lbX5’ pro in next ten years; surely it can bench 500x10 but could he walk or needs a moto-chair to go from a room to enother?
no offence guys ,just my personal view.[/quote]

Thats one of the worst poems Ive ever read. [/quote]

did not want to write a poem, glad you understood it as it is not written in my language LOL
thanx for compliments to my english!

Mike from Italy

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From 3rd page:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Bodybuilding overall needs to go back to the old days, I’m tired of looking at these mass monsters coming in at 280lbs on stage with a 45 inch slin/gh gut. Guys are killing themselves to get up to these ridiculous weights and then having a hard time getting down to contest shape (i.e trey brewer), just for the sake of saying “oh i was 310 in the offseason.” Maybe they shouldn’t come in so lean as well, but as long as the fans continue to demand these monstrous guys that are shredded it will continue to be this way. I really hope bodybuilding can get back to the classic physiques which were truly beautiful instead of these blocky creatures they now call a bodybuilder.[/quote]

Dude, your post would fit in if this were around 2002, but there are just too many guys who do have that X-frame winning lately to even write what you did.

They are cheering on Ced McMillan, not Markus Rhul, to win the O in the future.

That last vid you posted is also a little off. They were often catching off season bodybuilders and making an issue of their stomach not being flat. Guess what, when you weigh 280lbs or more and are eating POUNDS of food every 3 hours or so, your stomach won’t be flat unless you go several hours with no food and start dieting for a contest.

[/quote]

Yes bodybuilding is starting to realize its flaws and I’m very glad guys like Ced, Ed Nunn and Toney Freeman are starting to win over guys with huge guts. I very much so realize that its impossible to keep a tight waist at that weight, that’s why as I said bodybuilding should go back to the old days and penalize the guys who obviously don’t have a tight waist and I think we would begin to see the beautiful physiques again. [/quote]

Not everyone has the same goals or inspiration that you do. People like Kai Greene keep me motivated, just like Silvio Samuel, Coleman, Dennis James or Branch Warren. Those are the guys whose videos I have at home. I don’t have training videos of people who are way less developed than I am.[/quote]

[b]Sorry, but when he’s talking about physique from the old days, he’s referring to the likes of Arnold, Shawn Ray, etc.

Why do you even go talking about “training videos of people that are way less developed than you are”…or is Shawn Ray shit compared to you?

You are a very smart person and do know a lot about bodybuilding and the sports itself, but I think you are also too arrogant for what you have “accomplished” in this sport.

Take it for what it is[/b][/quote]

x2

guess I’m not the only one who understand you in this (proper?) way… NOW you can say everything, but still - it sounded fuckin stupid in the original. And I answered for that.

And tell me where THE HELL, you saw DVDs with BBers less developed then you are? I’m talking about fucking official DVDs that you didn’t take to your own, private collection at home cause you are way bigger than BBers on it?

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[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Thats one of the worst poems Ive ever read. [/quote]

How bout this, an ode to DRUG ABUSE,

Bodybuilding is not,
For those weak of heart,
I’m gonna go eat protein
So I can do a big fart.

Live in the past,
For that’s all you know,
Keep making excuses
While I grow, grow, grow.

Blame all the drugs,
It could’ve been you,
But you’re just not tough enough,
To push like we do.

[/quote]

lol