I’m still a little freaked out by the “no fat on the pads of teh feet” comment.
Can we agree to never talk about that again?
Kthxsguyz.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m still a little freaked out by the “no fat on the pads of teh feet” comment.
Can we agree to never talk about that again?
Kthxsguyz.
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There’s none inside the mouth either. The more difficult people to numb up for any intraoral procedure are people who are either extremely lean (which means no extraneous tissue to inject into) or those who are extremely obese (so much extra tissue you can barely see the cheek side of the teeth).
I think we should discuss things like that…because things like that are what turn me off from competing. Smiling on stage while feeling like absolute shit doesn’t sound like fun to me.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I agree with X in that the judges are ultimately responsible for how lean these guys get because they have the final decision.
However, those of you writing that the competitors shouldn’t get as dry as they do for health reasons need to stop bullshitting. If you like the 6% look over the 3% look than, ok, great, but this health crap is ridiculous. Bodybuilding isn’t about health. It’s not necessarily healthy to be 290 pounds of muscle, either.
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There are far greater health consequences due to the last few weeks of contest prep than ANYTHING these guys do the rest of the year. Diuretics use is far more acutely dangerous than injectible anabolics.[/quote]
That’s all well and good, but what are the alternatives? Penalizing competitors for coming in too shredded? Can you imagine the clusterfuck of judging that would result?[/quote]
For a while, they tried “banning” diuretics from competition…but they didn’t really enforce it much (even though Jay Cutler was busted once but I think he fought it) and since the judges kept awarding “grainyness”, competitors went right back to using them.
Like has been stated, I doubt any straight guy gives a flying shit about “ripped glutes”. Just like those posing trunks, a few things need to change.[/quote]
But whether or not anyone cares about ripped glutes, does the alternative of penalizing guys for being too shredded maked any sense to you?
Because, to me, that is the only alternative if you don’t like how ripped these guys get.[/quote]
No, all they have to do is ban diuretics again and actually enforce the issue instead of getting scared the moment someone threatens to sue.
See, before they did it randomly…which means you could bust one guy but the winner was usually clearly using diuretics…but if he didn’t get randomly tested, he still won.
The problem is and always has been with the judges.
I am just glad it has been several years since a tragedy because of shit like that…which I can only assume means guys are getting smarter in their use of some of these substances.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m still a little freaked out by the “no fat on the pads of teh feet” comment.
Can we agree to never talk about that again?
Kthxsguyz.
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X 2 BIGTIME!
LOL Ive been thinking about that since I read it!
I can just feel my feet now, without fat pads’ rushing up a concrete drive and stepping on a stray bit of gravel, right under the heel arghh!
Fuckin skeleton feet! (puke)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m still a little freaked out by the “no fat on the pads of teh feet” comment.
Can we agree to never talk about that again?
Kthxsguyz.
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There’s none inside the mouth either.
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Ah Jesus!
Thats it’ dinner is off, I’m done…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No, all they have to do is ban diuretics again and actually enforce the issue instead of getting scared the moment someone threatens to sue.
See, before they did it randomly…which means you could bust one guy but the winner was usually clearly using diuretics…but if he didn’t get randomly tested, he still won.
The problem is and always has been with the judges.
I am just glad it has been several years since a tragedy because of shit like that…which I can only assume means guys are getting smarter in their use of some of these substances.[/quote]
I suppose that is an option. But like I said, I can only imagine the clusterfuck that would become judging after that. Politics are already known to take priority over who has the best physique, I imagine the scandals involving who gets tested and who doesn’t to turn many off from the sport.
I guess you could always choose to test the top few competitors that placed, but it still seems a bit much when most of the fans simply want to see the biggest, leanest physiques possible.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
If no one had ever come into a contest with ripped glutes it would never have been rewarded. Someone had to set a precedent.
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Thank Rich Gaspari for that…lol… [/quote]
And Renel Janvier.
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m still a little freaked out by the “no fat on the pads of teh feet” comment.
Can we agree to never talk about that again?
Kthxsguyz.
[/quote]
X 2 BIGTIME!
LOL Ive been thinking about that since I read it!
I can just feel my feet now, without fat pads’ rushing up a concrete drive and stepping on a stray bit of gravel, right under the heel arghh!
Fuckin skeleton feet! (puke)[/quote]
I can’t get the image of Jay slamming his foot in the ground at the beginning of a lat spread or back double bi, and how much that must fucking hurt.
You ever jump off the swings as a kid and when you land it sends these little painful shock waves up your legs and through your spine? That shit hurt, and that is what I imagine walking on bone feels like.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m still a little freaked out by the “no fat on the pads of teh feet” comment.
Can we agree to never talk about that again?
Kthxsguyz.
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There’s none inside the mouth either. The more difficult people to numb up for any intraoral procedure are people who are either extremely lean (which means no extraneous tissue to inject into) or those who are extremely obese (so much extra tissue you can barely see the cheek side of the teeth).
I think we should discuss things like that…because things like that are what turn me off from competing. Smiling on stage while feeling like absolute shit doesn’t sound like fun to me.[/quote]
I get what your saying, and agree to a degree, but… The guys who can’t win on shape and size, but do ‘well’ because of conditioning, are always going to try and get paper thin.
It would be like a dog chasing it’s tail no? We’d end up right back where we were?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think we should discuss things like that…because things like that are what turn me off from competing. Smiling on stage while feeling like absolute shit doesn’t sound like fun to me.[/quote]
I agree with this. I think it is pretty contradictory to display an elite physique on the outside while feeling like total shiza on the inside. I think that’s why I like the idea of competitors coming in with higher BF%. I think the feeling inside should match the masterfully crafted outside.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think we should discuss things like that…because things like that are what turn me off from competing. Smiling on stage while feeling like absolute shit doesn’t sound like fun to me.[/quote]
I agree with this. I think it is pretty contradictory to display an elite physique on the outside while feeling like total shiza on the inside. I think that’s why I like the idea of competitors coming in with higher BF%. I think the feeling inside should match the masterfully crafted outside.[/quote]
The problem with this line of thinking is that everyone would start coming in smaller as well as less conditioned. Simply weighing close to 300 pounds can put a strain on the body regardless of how lean a competitor is.
I really dont get why so many people complain about stuff they never experienced.
Im pretty sure jay kai and all the others really dont mind “feeling like shit”
These guys are in there cause they love the extreme
Just like guys competing at the x games like the extreme and always try to push the envelop with their moves.
[quote]zraw wrote:
I really dont get why so many people complain about stuff they never experienced.
Im pretty sure jay kai and all the others really dont mind “feeling like shit”
These guys are in there cause they love the extreme
Just like guys competing at the x games like the extreme and always try to push the envelop with their moves.
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Although testing for diuretics and things like DNP or anything that could potentially be fatal to a competitor sounds like a good idea. Lets not forget that other sports do take extreme measures as well. I play college baseball and can tell you that AAS use is pretty normal for half of the team.
I can say with certainty that 40 percent of my team mates play while on amphetamines and are all addicted to stimulants such as chewing tobacco, caffeine pills, 3 or 4 redbulls a day etc,etc. Although not as serious as urgent diuretic use this is only div 3 college games. I can only imagine what the pros are doing but in all fairness it could just be arrogant college kids.
[quote]zraw wrote:
I really dont get why so many people complain about stuff they never experienced.
Im pretty sure jay kai and all the others really dont mind “feeling like shit”
These guys are in there cause they love the extreme
Just like guys competing at the x games like the extreme and always try to push the envelop with their moves.
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Meanwhile, guys like Nasser, Paul Dillet and even Lee Priest have admitted how much damage can be caused by contest prep.
They may like what doing well at a contest brings to them, but I seriously doubt you will find even one guy saying it feels great to be that depleted on stage. They may like performance (as kai clearly does in many aspects) and as such will deal with what comes in order to do what they love, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t change anything.
I literally grew up around this shit even though I haven’t competed. I am now training with the guy whose pic I posted in the T-Cell from that Branch Warren show so yes, I do think I know a little about what these guys go through even if I haven;t stepped on stage myself yet.
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
I really dont get why so many people complain about stuff they never experienced.
Im pretty sure jay kai and all the others really dont mind “feeling like shit”
These guys are in there cause they love the extreme
Just like guys competing at the x games like the extreme and always try to push the envelop with their moves.
[/quote]
Although testing for diuretics and things like DNP or anything that could potentially be fatal to a competitor sounds like a good idea. Lets not forget that other sports do take extreme measures as well. I play college baseball and can tell you that AAS use is pretty normal for half of the team. I can say with certainty that 40 percent of my team mates play while on amphetamines and are all addicted to stimulants such as chewing tobacco, caffeine pills, 3 or 4 redbulls a day etc,etc. Although not as serious as urgent diuretic use this is only div 3 college games. I can only imagine what the pros are doing but in all fairness it could just be arrogant college kids.[/quote]
I think most of us are aware that other sports are just as UNhealthy. It is only the general public who seem to think that one sport is somehow more noble and “healthier” than another…but that doesn’t change how dangerous those specific substances are.
Very few people on the planet are going to be rushed to the hospital with a heart attack simply because they use steroids one time but that could very well happen with diuretics and often has.
I see ur point PX and im not saying its not healthy or dangerous but really just that this is an extreme
Some ppl die racing cars
Boxing isnt really healthy either, at least not when ur getting ur face stomped
Football takes its toll pretty fast on the body, etc etc
Ppl broke their bones practicing new extreme tricks on bikes
Bodybuildin is no different
[quote]zraw wrote:
I see ur point PX and im not saying its not healthy or dangerous but really just that this is an extreme
Some ppl die racing cars
Boxing isnt really healthy either, at least not when ur getting ur face stomped
Football takes its toll pretty fast on the body, etc etc
Ppl broke their bones practicing new extreme tricks on bikes
Bodybuildin is no different[/quote]
Guy, no one said we should erase ALL risk. Just the shit that can kill you (and has killed others) within seconds to minutes of using it depending on the route given.
I am not sure why people are arguing against that.
You put a desire to see people more ripped over their own personal lives?
A lot of the same look can be achieved without diuretics, although many do rely on them. Banning those particular drugs wouldn’t necessarily fix the issue at hand.
The issue with trying to adjust the judging is you get into a situation almost like the figure girls where sometimes the harder physique is rewarded and sometimes a softer look is, they have to guess. With bodybuilding it’s straight forward and the biggest, leanest, driest guy on stage is going to get rewarded(usually).
Is that in the best interest of the competitors health? No way and if there was a realistic way to get them to compete at safer body fat or conditioning levels I’d be all for it, but I don’t see it happening.
Something worth considering on top of the last week tweaks here is that generally guys are running higher dosages, and adding in some of the more notorious drugs for side effects… tren, masteron all the orals etc which may be contributing to the overall health detriment here.
Guys like Levrone, Cutler, Coleman to me have the right idea of trying to give the body a semblance of normalcy during the offseason because they know that prep is going to probably hurt them. Blasting year round like some guys do(many of them have to) is going to come back to haunt them I imagine.
A lot of the same look can be achieved without diuretics, although many do rely on them. Banning those particular drugs wouldn’t necessarily fix the issue at hand.
The issue with trying to adjust the judging is you get into a situation almost like the figure girls where sometimes the harder physique is rewarded and sometimes a softer look is, they have to guess. With bodybuilding it’s straight forward and the biggest, leanest, driest guy on stage is going to get rewarded(usually).
Is that in the best interest of the competitors health? No way and if there was a realistic way to get them to compete at safer body fat or conditioning levels I’d be all for it, but I don’t see it happening.
Something worth considering on top of the last week tweaks here is that generally guys are running higher dosages, and adding in some of the more notorious drugs for side effects… tren, masteron all the orals etc which may be contributing to the overall health detriment here.
Guys like Levrone, Cutler, Coleman to me have the right idea of trying to give the body a semblance of normalcy during the offseason because they know that prep is going to probably hurt them. Blasting year round like some guys do(many of them have to) is going to come back to haunt them I imagine.
Im not pro diuretic but i just think in this sport being as lean as possible is part of the equation.