Kai at 9 Weeks Out - 297lbs & Lean KABOOM!

Scott_M · August 25, 2010, 1:10am

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
will people believe they aren’t lying about the dosages anyway?[/quote]

From my experience… no they won’t believe the cycles unless they are out of this world.

People WANT to hear 5 grams of test and a cocktail of anabolics, enough insulin to kill an elephant and 10k worth of GH a month, that’s sits well with them because then they can point at that as being why the pros are pros.

If a pro posted something like this

and there are guys that aren’t even top 5 most developed in their local gym are running MUCH more than that, their egos are shattered and they cry BS.

One of the biggest abusers I’ve ever seen post their honest cycles is a pro that nobody here has every heard of and he’s only pro because he comes from a very small country… likely wouldn’t be top 15 at a national qualifier.

Kai uses drugs yes, how much I don’t know… but that is not the sole factor turning him into a freakazoid otherwise there would be hundreds walking the earth like that. There is about 3 lol

buzza · August 25, 2010, 8:36pm

[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

That sounds depressing. [/quote]

For real. Why follow something you despise? [/quote]

because it’s only food avalaible.
and yes, it’s depressing to watch some cow bellies…[/quote]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume your progress so far has been about as depressing.[/quote]

you can but you are wrong.
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Why do people post answers like this when a simple picture would clear it all up? I mean, most of us who ARE making progress keep updated pics in our hubs. Nobody expects you to look like a pro, either. We can recognize decent progress when we see it.[/quote]

wow!
so if someone is making good progress it doesn’t mean nothing if you (or “we”, mah…?)don’t see it, LOL, this is fantastic, unreal at least.
nevermind, dude, soon I post my pix of 6 month ago and now.
Saint Thomas was not the only, at the end of the day.

buzza · August 25, 2010, 8:45pm

about professor X and others:

guys, really juices went into your heads, you went OFF-TOPIC , topic was Kay Greene size (and his BELLIE :-),
i wrote that today pros IMO get too much juice and are grotesque oversized,you wrote I’m not making progress (because for someone-you?- just DRUGS make you progressing???) and Scott asked my pics.
well, at the end of the day, STEROIDS bellies is a VERY HOT topic!

Mike/against GH&insuline bellies

PS; these products are illegal in EC, is it the same over the pond?

buzza · August 25, 2010, 9:08pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I enjoy bodybuilding for the pure freakness of it. Big guts are a price to pay for being a mass monster. Personally, I think it adds another layer of competition and enjoy the fact that there are several top pros with bigger guts with bigger muscles everywhere along with a crop of “smaller” pros with tighter waistlines but with equally smaller builds overall. I’d prefer the tighter waistline look myself, but I like the idea of mass monsters as they add a different look and another layer of competition and make the sport more interesting as a whole.

And I was unaware it’s impossible for one to think pro bodybuilders have distended guts but make impressive progress oneself. [/quote]

Your last statement = ridiculous, since that isn’t what anyone said. However, if we were to poll all of these guys who love to come in here for the apparent whole purpose of talking shit about certain pros while claiming everyone loved the 60’s (they didn’t), I am willing to bet 99% of them look either untrained or like weekend warriors.

**** pls, read below

People who really work hard at this, understand how hard those fuckers work even if we may not want to look exactly like them.

****no man, you are wrong, I had and have many friends (some of them did very well at EUROpean level) who get steroids and for them it’s all simplier; they growth much more in less time, they need less rest for supercompensation, they can come back very late the night and slamming the weights the morning after.
pls, speak with a sport doctor and you will note that your statements are really wrong.

The moment someone comes in boasting “all drugs” through a megaphone, you can guarantee they still wear a size medium t-shirt.[/quote]

LOL!
cut your juice in half man, your mental health will thanx you
this winter I ordered in USA my last shoulder pads, Armor Flex,it is 3XL alias XXXL and it was too tight on my neck and chest (it suits a 50’ chest as per producer fitting guide) so I give it to my team.
medium size shirt? yes, when I was 11 years old, LOL!
and -MOST IMPORTANT-you lost the point at 110%.
I’m drug FREE and I don’t blame all drugs; I just wrote that since SOMANOTORM and insuline went into 90’s irongame bellies and size of today pro went grotesque.

I expect you excuses

Mike/7.23’ wrist circumference aka mesomorfo (mesomorph) so fuck the juices!LOL

buzza · August 25, 2010, 9:12pm

[quote]nik133 wrote:
I am not saying it’s true or not, but if you think those guys listed aren’t using massive doses of drugs, your kidding yourself. Kai greene is a given, so is Ronnie Coleman. Dennis wolf wouldn’t surprise me one bit…how else you think he gets so big while being such a lazy trainer?

All I’m saying is that I don’t like his physique, that is just as much relevant as someone posting “Hurr Durr Kai is awesome!!LOL!!11.” I think that is the main problem with bodybuilding right now, these guys just look too freaky and they are going to all lengths to get to that stage, not only does the gut bother me, but also the amount of drugs it takes to achieve that physique is also scary. All I want is for bodybuilding to go back to the old days, where it wasn’t about how much you could dose or what your stack was, but more so about the training, diet and just passion for the iron.
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indeed 110%.

Mike from Italy

DoubleDuce · August 25, 2010, 9:31pm

So, anyone here know for a fact how much gear I’m on?

countingbeans · August 25, 2010, 9:45pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, anyone here know for a fact how much gear I’m on?[/quote]

Yes you silly goose.

You don’t stop with the 486,382 grams a week your brains will be melted from the juices.

DoubleDuce · August 25, 2010, 9:52pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, anyone here know for a fact how much gear I’m on?[/quote]

Yes you silly goose.

You don’t stop with the 486,382 grams a week your brains will be melted from the juices.[/quote]

Probably more than that. Gear wise I have gotten so I use a ton.

Rock for stone carry 50,000 grams.
All my bands 10,000 grams.
Plates and bars 300,000 grams
power cage and bench 100,000 grams
raps and shit 1,000 grams

Adding it all up, you seem to be in the right neighborhood. Maybe your right, I do seem to use a ton of gear. Is it really too much?

JayPierce · August 25, 2010, 10:58pm

[quote]buzza wrote:
wow!
so if someone is making good progress it doesn’t mean nothing if you (or “we”, mah…?)don’t see it, LOL, this is fantastic, unreal at least.
nevermind, dude, soon I post my pix of 6 month ago and now.
Saint Thomas was not the only, at the end of the day.[/quote]
I said ‘we’ as in most of us on these message boards. If you’re making good progress we have no problem admitting it and wouldn’t tear you down just for spite. Hell, someone called me out on my progress just the other day, saying my gut was bigger than it should be. So… I posted a fresh picture shot from a better angle with better light, and early in the morning so my stomach was empty… both pics are still in my hub for all to see.

If you’re making progress, great. But the short smart-assed answers do nothing for your credibility. Just makes us doubt you even more.

And the comments about juicing make you seem extremely juvenile as well. You have no idea who is natural and who isn’t, and claiming all the big guys are on gear just makes you sound like some little 150 pounder who thinks he’s the shit because he’s natural.

nik133 · August 26, 2010, 1:36am

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:

All I’m saying is that I don’t like his physique, that is just as much relevant as someone posting “Hurr Durr Kai is awesome!!LOL!!11.” I think that is the main problem with bodybuilding right now, …
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Gee, Bones already got you for everything else, but this statement is hilarious…because that is NOT all you are saying. You just made a post that pretends it has any fucking clue what anyone is using or how much. You are like a walking rumor mill, spreading bullshit as truth based on what you would like things to be like. You have Sylvio’s medical records? Your source for all of this “info” is some post on another message board by someone who is NOT one of the guys mentioned?

No, guys like you in general don’t make much progress. You are too busy faulting everyone bigger than you.[/quote]

Your stupidity is only surpassed by your ego. I visit many forums and I have not once seen anybody speak like you do, people might say you’re an asshole and a douchebag, but there very well might be something medically wrong with you (i.e aspergers).

As for my points, you’re saying it’s not fair for me to make assumptions, however the entire human existence is based on assumption, even at this very moment you ASSUME that the chair you sit on won’t break, there is nothing that says it won’t, you just assume. Likewise when somebody like Kai Greene adds 70-80 pounds of CONTEST WEIGHT in ONLY 3 YEARS, I can safely assume that he is on high doses. Dexter Jackson started in 1990 competing at around 140 pounds and he now competes at 220-225, his competition weight has fluctuated 80-85 pounds in 20 YEARS, not 3 20!!!

Addressing the point that they are so close that they are going to do whatever it takes to win, well then are you telling me that guys like Ed Nunn, Toney Freeman, Cedric Mcmillan, Shawn Ray, Arnold didn’t want to win bad enough since they clearly had/have awesome physiques but no gut?

LMAO at the food gut though, I have never once heard such a ridiculous claim, that can easily be settled if I just post a picture of Kai on stage with his gut hanging out.

I’m sure Kai worked hard for his gains (however there are many guys that work just as hard if not harder but have no where near his gains), but there is no denying that drugs had a huge hand in his quick rise to the top (coming from almost last at a pro show to winning the Arnold Classic in 3 years). His gut is out of control and all in all it sends a bad message (rush things and if you can’t win take more drugs).

At the end of the day my opinion won’t be popular and I’m sure all your nuthuggers will come and blast me for what an idiot I am. Bodybuilding needs to get back to the small waists and aesthetic bodies, this would help it be more mainstream= more money, more coverage, better for the fans. Yes bodybuilding is about size, but it’s also about the shape, symmetry, presentation, posing and many other aspects which are completely overlooked today. As for my progress if you insist I will post a picture.

pja · August 26, 2010, 2:02am

Part of being genetically suited to bodybuilding is how well one respond to PEDs. It is quite possible
that it was only 3 years ago that Kai had enough cash to start using what everybody else uses or perhaps even less than that but more than he was using before and because of his genetics has been able to make the most out of this increased usage. Making that assumption is just as valid as assuming he takes more than other just because of his progress.

Also your statement about chairs is a bit ignorant. While I agree there is no guarantee that it won’t break, it was designed to hold a certain load. So the analysis used to design the chair would tell you that unless the design load is exceeded, which is more than likely very conservative, the chances of it breaking are very slim. So that assumption you make is based upon the laws of physics which in turn have been backed by data. The only data which you have is that he gained 80 lbs in 3 years. Unless you have some mathematical model of weight gained by a individual, which would be a function of many variables including some quantification of genetic makeup, your assumption cannot be said to be on the same grounds as the one made about the chair.

cyruseven75 · August 26, 2010, 2:56am

fuck you bastards for ass fucking my thread.

some of the bullshit written on here calling out predictions on AAS and GH is flat out slander.

nik133 you’re obviously bringing your own biased opinion into the discussion, calling for tiny waists and a return to days gone by is just one viewpoint of how BB should be.

aesthetics are subjective, much like a Picasso in a gallery full Monet. Calling out guys like Kai for having a gut is just nutty talk, there are times when he and others don’t have tiny waists but on contest day his abs will be fine.

in terms of why Kai is getting bigger ans surpassing others, if you think it’s all drugs well then i feel sorry for how the world looks from your view. Kai was a natty BB for a long ass time it’s only in the last few yrs he’s had access to the gear others had.

might it be that his potential for growth and freakishness is the combo of his will, diet, genetics, the gear he now can afford, and the sum of these parts leaves him AHEAD of the others?

it is these factors plus other unquantifiable things that separates guys like dorian, haney, colman from the others? has kai proven himself to be there yet, no…but he sure is looking the part lately.

i’m not looking to reply again or banter, leave this thread for Kai updates, go flood BBdotcom w/ the Zane BS, he should have been a figure competitor (joke and i’m done).

Professor_X · August 26, 2010, 2:33pm