Kai at 9 Weeks Out - 297lbs & Lean KABOOM!

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:
I think that pros are getting too much juice,
last beautiful MO was Haney then muscle-freaks parody,
300 lb is a weight for a 6’3’’ guy with BIG bones,
300 lb makes a small guy GROTESQUE like a cartoon,
yes , we are talking of BBing , of “not functional mass” at the end of the day,
but there are some grades of “not functional mass”; the Beautiful and the Worst.
Since 90’s somatonorm ,insuline, makes bigger muscles and bigger bellies.
who said that the freakest has to become Olympia???
personally i found Oliva,Arnold,Mentzer, (an Oliva under GH would be much more freak than today freaks,believe me),Zane,Baldwin muc h more better than today grotesque cartoons.

a link in my mind; when BB was an underground sports less money=less drugs.
now more merchandise, more sponsors,more bullshit training “theories”, more prizes= more drugs.
BUT the bodybuilder of the street , the non competitive bber (95% of us)see the pros like aliens,
no training transfert (can’t train like them),
no identity transfert (don’t wanna look like them).
yes, we like muscles but human not cow-drugged look like mucles…
I can imagine a 320 lbX5’ pro in next ten years; surely it can bench 500x10 but could he walk or needs a moto-chair to go from a room to enother?
no offence guys ,just my personal view.[/quote]

Why are you here?

for your same reasons (I thinK); to learn more about bb and to write my opinions on it.
someone call it freedom of speaking…

Meet Roelly Winklaar.

well m8, if I have to fly for 5000 miles (I live In Italy) I would prefer to meet some breasted chicks LOL

There are many pros today who could hang with Haney aside from his back.

You sound like someone who doesn’t even follow bodybuilding today…so why comment on it when you are that clueless?[/quote]

wrong, I follow modern bodybulding but this doesn’t mean that I like today pros look.
and believe my words, I’m not the only.[/quote]

That sounds depressing.

[quote]Simonidas wrote:
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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Bodybuilding overall needs to go back to the old days, I’m tired of looking at these mass monsters coming in at 280lbs on stage with a 45 inch slin/gh gut. Guys are killing themselves to get up to these ridiculous weights and then having a hard time getting down to contest shape (i.e trey brewer), just for the sake of saying “oh i was 310 in the offseason.” Maybe they shouldn’t come in so lean as well, but as long as the fans continue to demand these monstrous guys that are shredded it will continue to be this way. I really hope bodybuilding can get back to the classic physiques which were truly beautiful instead of these blocky creatures they now call a bodybuilder.[/quote]

Dude, your post would fit in if this were around 2002, but there are just too many guys who do have that X-frame winning lately to even write what you did.

They are cheering on Ced McMillan, not Markus Rhul, to win the O in the future.

That last vid you posted is also a little off. They were often catching off season bodybuilders and making an issue of their stomach not being flat. Guess what, when you weigh 280lbs or more and are eating POUNDS of food every 3 hours or so, your stomach won’t be flat unless you go several hours with no food and start dieting for a contest.

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Yes bodybuilding is starting to realize its flaws and I’m very glad guys like Ced, Ed Nunn and Toney Freeman are starting to win over guys with huge guts. I very much so realize that its impossible to keep a tight waist at that weight, that’s why as I said bodybuilding should go back to the old days and penalize the guys who obviously don’t have a tight waist and I think we would begin to see the beautiful physiques again. [/quote]

Not everyone has the same goals or inspiration that you do. People like Kai Greene keep me motivated, just like Silvio Samuel, Coleman, Dennis James or Branch Warren. Those are the guys whose videos I have at home. I don’t have training videos of people who are way less developed than I am.[/quote]

[b]Sorry, but when he’s talking about physique from the old days, he’s referring to the likes of Arnold, Shawn Ray, etc.

Why do you even go talking about “training videos of people that are way less developed than you are”…or is Shawn Ray shit compared to you?

You are a very smart person and do know a lot about bodybuilding and the sports itself, but I think you are also too arrogant for what you have “accomplished” in this sport.

Take it for what it is[/b][/quote]

x2

guess I’m not the only one who understand you in this (proper?) way… NOW you can say everything, but still - it sounded fuckin stupid in the original. And I answered for that.

And tell me where THE HELL, you saw DVDs with BBers less developed then you are? I’m talking about fucking official DVDs that you didn’t take to your own, private collection at home cause you are way bigger than BBers on it?
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It doesn’t matter what you thought. I’ve written enough on these boards for no one to believe I was writing that I was better than Shawn Ray. I mean, shit, we get it, some of you have nothing better to do but nitpick everything I ever write.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

That sounds depressing. [/quote]

For real. Why follow something you despise?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

That sounds depressing. [/quote]

For real. Why follow something you despise? [/quote]

because it’s only food avalaible.
and yes, it’s depressing to watch some cow bellies…

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

That sounds depressing. [/quote]

For real. Why follow something you despise? [/quote]

because it’s only food avalaible.
and yes, it’s depressing to watch some cow bellies…[/quote]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume your progress so far has been about as depressing.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

That sounds depressing. [/quote]

For real. Why follow something you despise? [/quote]

because it’s only food avalaible.
and yes, it’s depressing to watch some cow bellies…[/quote]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume your progress so far has been about as depressing.[/quote]

you can but you are wrong.

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

That sounds depressing. [/quote]

For real. Why follow something you despise? [/quote]

because it’s only food avalaible.
and yes, it’s depressing to watch some cow bellies…[/quote]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume your progress so far has been about as depressing.[/quote]

you can but you are wrong.
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This is cute. keep it up.

FTR, I enjoy bodybuilding for the pure freakness of it. Big guts are a price to pay for being a mass monster. Personally, I think it adds another layer of competition and enjoy the fact that there are several top pros with bigger guts with bigger muscles everywhere along with a crop of “smaller” pros with tighter waistlines but with equally smaller builds overall. I’d prefer the tighter waistline look myself, but I like the idea of mass monsters as they add a different look and another layer of competition and make the sport more interesting as a whole.

And I was unaware it’s impossible for one to think pro bodybuilders have distended guts but make impressive progress oneself.

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

That sounds depressing. [/quote]

For real. Why follow something you despise? [/quote]

because it’s only food avalaible.
and yes, it’s depressing to watch some cow bellies…[/quote]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume your progress so far has been about as depressing.[/quote]

you can but you are wrong.
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Why do people post answers like this when a simple picture would clear it all up? I mean, most of us who ARE making progress keep updated pics in our hubs. Nobody expects you to look like a pro, either. We can recognize decent progress when we see it.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I enjoy bodybuilding for the pure freakness of it. Big guts are a price to pay for being a mass monster. Personally, I think it adds another layer of competition and enjoy the fact that there are several top pros with bigger guts with bigger muscles everywhere along with a crop of “smaller” pros with tighter waistlines but with equally smaller builds overall. I’d prefer the tighter waistline look myself, but I like the idea of mass monsters as they add a different look and another layer of competition and make the sport more interesting as a whole.

And I was unaware it’s impossible for one to think pro bodybuilders have distended guts but make impressive progress oneself. [/quote]

Your last statement = ridiculous, since that isn’t what anyone said. However, if we were to poll all of these guys who love to come in here for the apparent whole purpose of talking shit about certain pros while claiming everyone loved the 60’s (they didn’t), I am willing to bet 99% of them look either untrained or like weekend warriors.

People who really work hard at this, understand how hard those fuckers work even if we may not want to look exactly like them.

The moment someone comes in boasting “all drugs” through a megaphone, you can guarantee they still wear a size medium t-shirt.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I enjoy bodybuilding for the pure freakness of it. Big guts are a price to pay for being a mass monster. Personally, I think it adds another layer of competition and enjoy the fact that there are several top pros with bigger guts with bigger muscles everywhere along with a crop of “smaller” pros with tighter waistlines but with equally smaller builds overall. I’d prefer the tighter waistline look myself, but I like the idea of mass monsters as they add a different look and another layer of competition and make the sport more interesting as a whole.

And I was unaware it’s impossible for one to think pro bodybuilders have distended guts but make impressive progress oneself. [/quote]

Your last statement = ridiculous, since that isn’t what anyone said. However, if we were to poll all of these guys who love to come in here for the apparent whole purpose of talking shit about certain pros while claiming everyone loved the 60’s (they didn’t), I am willing to bet 99% of them look either untrained or like weekend warriors.

People who really work hard at this, understand how hard those fuckers work even if we may not want to look exactly like them.

The moment someone comes in boasting “all drugs” through a megaphone, you can guarantee they still wear a size medium t-shirt.[/quote]

I’m sure while it took a lot of hard work to achieve Kai’s current physique, it was also due to a large amount of drugs. You don’t gain 70-80 pounds of contest weight in 3 years without dosing a lot of something. Kai’s physique looks marvelous in the first picture I posted,however I think that with the way that bodybuilding has morphed, it took his beautiful physique and changed it into something that is far less appealing. Let’s take a look at a post from MD:
Regarding the biggest drug users in the sport

  1. Kai Greene - of the current flock of top pros he is by far one of the worst especially when it comes to androgens. Of the guys competing in the Mr O he is on the highest amount of total test per week by a big margin.

  2. Dennis Wolf - scared to eat a single carb meal without slin

  3. Trey Brewer - not a pro, but basically added an extra gram of hormones into his stack every time he didnt place how he wanted. ended up learning the hard way that if you cant turn pro on 6 grams of gear, 20+ iu’s of gh, etc you wont necessarily turn pro with 8 grams of gear, 25 iu’s of gh…

  4. Ronnie Coleman - slammed more parabolan than most people would believe, at times went to almost 40 iu’s of gh, was a pig with slin, still wont stop using slin tren and 2+ grams of test even when he will never compete again

  5. Silvio Samuel - not sure how current he is anymore after getting jaundice and frying his liver thanks to year long use of high dosed orals without any break

Then Mike Arnold (who is the leader of the steroid forum, so I’m assuming he would know a thing or two about what pros are on):

Why Bullshit? How would you have any idea? Not to be a dick, but seriously, how do you have any clue at all?

I am not saying it’s true or not, but if you think those guys listed aren’t using massive doses of drugs, your kidding yourself. Kai greene is a given, so is Ronnie Coleman. Dennis wolf wouldn’t surprise me one bit…how else you think he gets so big while being such a lazy trainer?

All I’m saying is that I don’t like his physique, that is just as much relevant as someone posting “Hurr Durr Kai is awesome!!LOL!!11.” I think that is the main problem with bodybuilding right now, these guys just look too freaky and they are going to all lengths to get to that stage, not only does the gut bother me, but also the amount of drugs it takes to achieve that physique is also scary. All I want is for bodybuilding to go back to the old days, where it wasn’t about how much you could dose or what your stack was, but more so about the training, diet and just passion for the iron.

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I enjoy bodybuilding for the pure freakness of it. Big guts are a price to pay for being a mass monster. Personally, I think it adds another layer of competition and enjoy the fact that there are several top pros with bigger guts with bigger muscles everywhere along with a crop of “smaller” pros with tighter waistlines but with equally smaller builds overall. I’d prefer the tighter waistline look myself, but I like the idea of mass monsters as they add a different look and another layer of competition and make the sport more interesting as a whole.

And I was unaware it’s impossible for one to think pro bodybuilders have distended guts but make impressive progress oneself. [/quote]

Your last statement = ridiculous, since that isn’t what anyone said. However, if we were to poll all of these guys who love to come in here for the apparent whole purpose of talking shit about certain pros while claiming everyone loved the 60’s (they didn’t), I am willing to bet 99% of them look either untrained or like weekend warriors.

People who really work hard at this, understand how hard those fuckers work even if we may not want to look exactly like them.

The moment someone comes in boasting “all drugs” through a megaphone, you can guarantee they still wear a size medium t-shirt.[/quote]

I’m sure while it took a lot of hard work to achieve Kai’s current physique, it was also due to a large amount of drugs. You don’t gain 70-80 pounds of contest weight in 3 years without dosing a lot of something. Kai’s physique looks marvelous in the first picture I posted,however I think that with the way that bodybuilding has morphed, it took his beautiful physique and changed it into something that is far less appealing. Let’s take a look at a post from MD:
Regarding the biggest drug users in the sport

  1. Kai Greene - of the current flock of top pros he is by far one of the worst especially when it comes to androgens. Of the guys competing in the Mr O he is on the highest amount of total test per week by a big margin.

  2. Dennis Wolf - scared to eat a single carb meal without slin

  3. Trey Brewer - not a pro, but basically added an extra gram of hormones into his stack every time he didnt place how he wanted. ended up learning the hard way that if you cant turn pro on 6 grams of gear, 20+ iu’s of gh, etc you wont necessarily turn pro with 8 grams of gear, 25 iu’s of gh…

  4. Ronnie Coleman - slammed more parabolan than most people would believe, at times went to almost 40 iu’s of gh, was a pig with slin, still wont stop using slin tren and 2+ grams of test even when he will never compete again

  5. Silvio Samuel - not sure how current he is anymore after getting jaundice and frying his liver thanks to year long use of high dosed orals without any break

Then Mike Arnold (who is the leader of the steroid forum, so I’m assuming he would know a thing or two about what pros are on):

Why Bullshit? How would you have any idea? Not to be a dick, but seriously, how do you have any clue at all?

I am not saying it’s true or not, but if you think those guys listed aren’t using massive doses of drugs, your kidding yourself. Kai greene is a given, so is Ronnie Coleman. Dennis wolf wouldn’t surprise me one bit…how else you think he gets so big while being such a lazy trainer?

All I’m saying is that I don’t like his physique, that is just as much relevant as someone posting “Hurr Durr Kai is awesome!!LOL!!11.” I think that is the main problem with bodybuilding right now, these guys just look too freaky and they are going to all lengths to get to that stage, not only does the gut bother me, but also the amount of drugs it takes to achieve that physique is also scary. All I want is for bodybuilding to go back to the old days, where it wasn’t about how much you could dose or what your stack was, but more so about the training, diet and just passion for the iron.
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How many mouths does a piece of info have to pass through before it becomes certified hearsay?

I honestly have no doubt that plenty of pro’s and NPC guys use shocking amounts of gear. But I can almost guarentee that no one person knows intimate details about a few pros, let alone FIVE very visible ones.

And I’d be embarrassed to post something like this: “How could you not believe me, just look at them, of course theyre using a ton of shit.” Circular logic is pitiful and only people with the IQ of an inbred turkey would entertain it as fact.

BUT

Your biggest mistake is assuming that guys from the 50’s 60’s and 70’s wouldnt do whatever possible if they had the opportunity. Those guys were doing everything in their power to push the limits they just didnt have access to the pharmaceuticals because they didnt exist yet. How do you think bodybuilding got to where it is today? Do you think Yates was the first one to think “Hey, let me try to everything in my power to be the champion. For the past few years Ive only being giving this 75% of my effort I think I’ll go for 100% now.”

Every single athlete in the world who has ascended to the top of his sport has done everything possible to be the best. And in bodybuilding PEDs are accepted so they are a major part of giving 100% effort. Stop being a jaded pussy

And post a picture of Kai in contest shape you clown. Offseason guest posing vs NPC competitor is a joke. Debate team fail.

[quote]nik133 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I enjoy bodybuilding for the pure freakness of it. Big guts are a price to pay for being a mass monster. Personally, I think it adds another layer of competition and enjoy the fact that there are several top pros with bigger guts with bigger muscles everywhere along with a crop of “smaller” pros with tighter waistlines but with equally smaller builds overall. I’d prefer the tighter waistline look myself, but I like the idea of mass monsters as they add a different look and another layer of competition and make the sport more interesting as a whole.

And I was unaware it’s impossible for one to think pro bodybuilders have distended guts but make impressive progress oneself. [/quote]

Your last statement = ridiculous, since that isn’t what anyone said. However, if we were to poll all of these guys who love to come in here for the apparent whole purpose of talking shit about certain pros while claiming everyone loved the 60’s (they didn’t), I am willing to bet 99% of them look either untrained or like weekend warriors.

People who really work hard at this, understand how hard those fuckers work even if we may not want to look exactly like them.

The moment someone comes in boasting “all drugs” through a megaphone, you can guarantee they still wear a size medium t-shirt.[/quote]

I’m sure while it took a lot of hard work to achieve Kai’s current physique, it was also due to a large amount of drugs. You don’t gain 70-80 pounds of contest weight in 3 years without dosing a lot of something. Kai’s physique looks marvelous in the first picture I posted,however I think that with the way that bodybuilding has morphed, it took his beautiful physique and changed it into something that is far less appealing. Let’s take a look at a post from MD:
Regarding the biggest drug users in the sport

  1. Kai Greene - of the current flock of top pros he is by far one of the worst especially when it comes to androgens. Of the guys competing in the Mr O he is on the highest amount of total test per week by a big margin.

  2. Dennis Wolf - scared to eat a single carb meal without slin

  3. Trey Brewer - not a pro, but basically added an extra gram of hormones into his stack every time he didnt place how he wanted. ended up learning the hard way that if you cant turn pro on 6 grams of gear, 20+ iu’s of gh, etc you wont necessarily turn pro with 8 grams of gear, 25 iu’s of gh…

  4. Ronnie Coleman - slammed more parabolan than most people would believe, at times went to almost 40 iu’s of gh, was a pig with slin, still wont stop using slin tren and 2+ grams of test even when he will never compete again

  5. Silvio Samuel - not sure how current he is anymore after getting jaundice and frying his liver thanks to year long use of high dosed orals without any break

Then Mike Arnold (who is the leader of the steroid forum, so I’m assuming he would know a thing or two about what pros are on):

Why Bullshit? How would you have any idea? Not to be a dick, but seriously, how do you have any clue at all?

I am not saying it’s true or not, but if you think those guys listed aren’t using massive doses of drugs, your kidding yourself. Kai greene is a given, so is Ronnie Coleman. Dennis wolf wouldn’t surprise me one bit…how else you think he gets so big while being such a lazy trainer?

All I’m saying is that I don’t like his physique, that is just as much relevant as someone posting “Hurr Durr Kai is awesome!!LOL!!11.” I think that is the main problem with bodybuilding right now, these guys just look too freaky and they are going to all lengths to get to that stage, not only does the gut bother me, but also the amount of drugs it takes to achieve that physique is also scary. All I want is for bodybuilding to go back to the old days, where it wasn’t about how much you could dose or what your stack was, but more so about the training, diet and just passion for the iron.
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I would imagine comparing a competition photo of old kai vs. new kai would be a more fair comparison. I mean, what good is it posting what you did when the pic on the right isn’t “competition lean” so to speak.

Also, Prof. X has a fro in his avatar. Sweeeeeeet. /hijack

EDIT: Bonez beat me to the comparison fail. Oh well.

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Let’s take a look at a post from MD:
Regarding the biggest drug users in the sport

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A post from MD? By some dude who is NOT training all of the people you cited below?

Nice.

Maybe some idiot will cite your post and pass that on as fact on a another site.

“Let’s look at a post from T-Nation…[bullshit hearsay follows]”

I think Kai looks way better now than he did 3 years ago. Back then, he looked like a mediocre bodybuilder. Now hes a sexy man beast. Am I alone on this?

[quote]nik133 wrote:

All I’m saying is that I don’t like his physique, that is just as much relevant as someone posting “Hurr Durr Kai is awesome!!LOL!!11.” I think that is the main problem with bodybuilding right now, …
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Gee, Bones already got you for everything else, but this statement is hilarious…because that is NOT all you are saying. You just made a post that pretends it has any fucking clue what anyone is using or how much. You are like a walking rumor mill, spreading bullshit as truth based on what you would like things to be like. You have Sylvio’s medical records? Your source for all of this “info” is some post on another message board by someone who is NOT one of the guys mentioned?

No, guys like you in general don’t make much progress. You are too busy faulting everyone bigger than you.

[quote]Shlllink wrote:
I think Kai looks way better now than he did 3 years ago. Back then, he looked like a mediocre bodybuilder. Now hes a sexy man beast. Am I alone on this?[/quote]

I am not a Kai fan, but that doesn’t go to say that he has put on a huge amount of muscle over these past few years and is a force to be reckoned with at this O.

That last part though got very homo, so no I don’t agree that “hes a sexy man beast.”

Damn, this thread started off cool.

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Let’s take a look at a post from MD:
Regarding the biggest drug users in the sport

[/quote]

A post from MD? By some dude who is NOT training all of the people you cited below?

Nice.

Maybe some idiot will cite your post and pass that on as fact on a another site.

“Let’s look at a post from T-Nation…[bullshit hearsay follows]”

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That actually already happened… it started at Get Big which is pretty much recognized as the most “anti bodybuilding” errr bodybuilding site.

Could those guys be gassing it harder than everyone else? Yeah sure, there is going to be guys that are pretty much doing the run of the mill things and there is going to be those that are a little more reckless. Unless these guys are literally putting it into their arms/legs/glutes or in their inner circle of friends I don’t want to hear it.

I’d be willing to bet you could put all the top 25 pro bodybuilders 200+ lbs and up cycles on a sheet of paper without any names attached and we’d have a REALLY hard time matching up who’s doing what. It’s not a straight line correlation with better=more all the time.

There’s not much reliable information about pro drug usage that I know of. There’s the odd snippet like Toney Freeman talking about how he uses short cycles now, or Hidetada Yamagishi’s arrest, where they found him in possession of tren, test, anavar, winstrol etc. And even if a pro does detail his cycle plans, like Dave Palumbo did, will people believe they aren’t lying about the dosages anyway?