Just Kicked a Prick Out of My Office

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I kicked a bunch of lawyers out of a meeting once. I was Director of Litigation for an insurance company and they insisted they meet me b/c they weren’t getting any new work. Well, they unilaterally started changing an agreed fee structure and my response was to pull all the files - which they tried to fight by contacting the clients, our customers.

One thing lead to another and after a few choice words, I arose from my seat, looked at my assistant and said, “Patty, show these guys to the door”…and I walked out of the meeting. The look on their faces (and my assistant’s) was priceless - it was a mixture of “he can’t do that” and “…he just did”. We had a claim manager at that meeting and she found me later and said she couldn’t believe I did that - with amusement and admiration in her eyes.

I generally fucking hate lawyers. And the only thing worse than a lawyer, if you can believe such a creature exists, is doctors. Doctors are the more arrogant pricks on the planet. It’s a wonder their mothers even love them. When I handled medical malpractice claims, our lawyers spent as much time working on a doctor’s demeanor as they did working on the facts of the case. Ok, I exaggerate, but as a group, they are the most aloof and arrogant - far worse than lawyers. [/quote]

A deal is a deal; telling them to fuck themselves is the correct approach.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Is this the thread where we post how tough we are in professional and business situations?

lol[/quote]

No, just venting because my first instinct was to kill.

[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I kicked a bunch of lawyers out of a meeting once. I was Director of Litigation for an insurance company and they insisted they meet me b/c they weren’t getting any new work. Well, they unilaterally started changing an agreed fee structure and my response was to pull all the files - which they tried to fight by contacting the clients, our customers.

One thing lead to another and after a few choice words, I arose from my seat, looked at my assistant and said, “Patty, show these guys to the door”…and I walked out of the meeting. The look on their faces (and my assistant’s) was priceless - it was a mixture of “he can’t do that” and “…he just did”. We had a claim manager at that meeting and she found me later and said she couldn’t believe I did that - with amusement and admiration in her eyes.

I generally fucking hate lawyers. And the only thing worse than a lawyer, if you can believe such a creature exists, is doctors. Doctors are the more arrogant pricks on the planet. It’s a wonder their mothers even love them. When I handled medical malpractice claims, our lawyers spent as much time working on a doctor’s demeanor as they did working on the facts of the case. Ok, I exaggerate, but as a group, they are the most aloof and arrogant - far worse than lawyers. [/quote]

But truthfrully, I can say nothing because anyone affiliated with the insurance industry is operating at the absolute bottom of the moral barrel.

I fixed your post:)[/quote]

Well, that was profound. Not defending the insurance industry - I hated it. But you really shed no light on your feelings. And, I fail to see where you changed my post at all.

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I kicked a bunch of lawyers out of a meeting once. I was Director of Litigation for an insurance company and they insisted they meet me b/c they weren’t getting any new work. Well, they unilaterally started changing an agreed fee structure and my response was to pull all the files - which they tried to fight by contacting the clients, our customers.

One thing lead to another and after a few choice words, I arose from my seat, looked at my assistant and said, “Patty, show these guys to the door”…and I walked out of the meeting. The look on their faces (and my assistant’s) was priceless - it was a mixture of “he can’t do that” and “…he just did”. We had a claim manager at that meeting and she found me later and said she couldn’t believe I did that - with amusement and admiration in her eyes.

I generally fucking hate lawyers. And the only thing worse than a lawyer, if you can believe such a creature exists, is doctors. Doctors are the more arrogant pricks on the planet. It’s a wonder their mothers even love them. When I handled medical malpractice claims, our lawyers spent as much time working on a doctor’s demeanor as they did working on the facts of the case. Ok, I exaggerate, but as a group, they are the most aloof and arrogant - far worse than lawyers. [/quote]

Okay BG serius question for a moment, I have worked in the medical field going on 20 years. My opinion on the Dr statement above is a little different. My question is

Do you find that statement really breaks down to older Dr’s? I find that Drs now in there mid 30’s-40’s are of a little different mindset. I do agree that the older generation were arrogant pricks and I have worked with 100’s over the years. Just wondering if you have any dealings with the newer younger generation.

My experience is that newer generations have now a better understanding of the fact the medical field has become a service industry. We are now past the age of the Dr knows all and is the end all of medical care. Just wondering. [/quote]

In my experience it’s not an age related issue. And I’ve dealt with them all, old and young, nurse or neurosurgeon. It’s definitely arrogance - especially when they have been accused of doing something wrong which as we know is the basis for such lawsuits. More often than not, they have done nothing wrong. Good medicine does not guarantee good outcomes. You can still practice good medicine and have a bad outcome.

So, from the start, unless they fucked up royally, they themselves feel “wronged” by being sued. Mix the arrogance with the already “professional detachment” required to practice medicine and you have a bad mix which often makes doctors very unsympathetic to juries. And if a jury does not “like” someone, they are generally unreceptive to their “story”. All lawsuits boil down to “stories”. I used to preach to our lawyers all the time before trial, the facts are important, but what is our “story”, what is our “theme”. How do we make the jury understand these technical terms and medicine in two weeks? You need a “story”. Whoever has the most compelling story with the most compelling characters will have an advantage. On one side, you have a patient that has been harmed (malpractice or not aside) and they are naturally sympathetic. We can all think, “if not for the grace of God, there go I” and are thus easily sympathetic to their plight. On the other side, you have an aloof arrogant doctor that can easily come across as not caring. If they plaintiff has a good story to tell with their experts, guess which was the verdict will go? Our lawyers would spend an inordinate amount of time grooming doctors for their depositions and trial testimony. Likewise, we’d use consultants when necessary to work with them more. We almost never did that for any other group of insureds.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I kicked a bunch of lawyers out of a meeting once. I was Director of Litigation for an insurance company and they insisted they meet me b/c they weren’t getting any new work. Well, they unilaterally started changing an agreed fee structure and my response was to pull all the files - which they tried to fight by contacting the clients, our customers.

One thing lead to another and after a few choice words, I arose from my seat, looked at my assistant and said, “Patty, show these guys to the door”…and I walked out of the meeting. The look on their faces (and my assistant’s) was priceless - it was a mixture of “he can’t do that” and “…he just did”. We had a claim manager at that meeting and she found me later and said she couldn’t believe I did that - with amusement and admiration in her eyes.

I generally fucking hate lawyers. And the only thing worse than a lawyer, if you can believe such a creature exists, is doctors. Doctors are the more arrogant pricks on the planet. It’s a wonder their mothers even love them. When I handled medical malpractice claims, our lawyers spent as much time working on a doctor’s demeanor as they did working on the facts of the case. Ok, I exaggerate, but as a group, they are the most aloof and arrogant - far worse than lawyers. [/quote]

A deal is a deal; telling them to fuck themselves is the correct approach.[/quote]

Yes. You get it because you’re a lawyer familiar with fee arrangements. This particular arrangement was for a flat fee per file, until closure. Their bitch was that b/c they weren’t receiving the volume of work they received prior, and that the flat fee had been arrived at based in some part on the volume of work, that they were going to change over to hourly. My reply was you can either finish the files out under the agreed fee arrangement or, you can pack the files up and transfer them over to XYZ firm. One thing lead to another, they started lobbying to keep the files behind my back to the our customers, we had a meeting, I called them on it, fired them, told them to ship the files and walked out of the meeting. They tried to pull some fast shit. I did not appreciate fielding phone calls from 5 different hospitals questioning why we were transferring files from the firm. They tried an “end around” and got run over.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Is this the thread where we post how tough we are in professional and business situations?

lol[/quote]

That should totally be your avatar for awhile…

[quote]SSC wrote:
I kick guys out of Best Buy on the reg.

'Sup now fools?[/quote]

I rolled some developers off my project and sent them back to India. It was awesome

I sighed and typed loudly as I composed a polite, professional but stern letter to a contractor. Showed him!

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sighed and typed loudly as I composed a polite, professional but stern letter to a contractor. Showed him![/quote]

Yeah, but that is the Canadian equivalent of going postal.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
People that do paper first are psychotics.[/quote]

OR they thought you were handing out candy.[/quote]

You 2 are on a roll. LMAO!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sighed and typed loudly as I composed a polite, professional but stern letter to a contractor. Showed him![/quote]

Yeah, but that is the Canadian equivalent of going postal.

[/quote]

Oh yeah? Well what’s the Austrian equivalent of going postal?

Oh, wait, yeah, It’s “Commando.”

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sighed and typed loudly as I composed a polite, professional but stern letter to a contractor. Showed him![/quote]

Yeah, but that is the Canadian equivalent of going postal.

[/quote]

Oh yeah? Well what’s the Austrian equivalent of going postal?

Oh, wait, yeah, It’s “Commando.”
[/quote]

you would not like us when we are angry

Wait…are you saying then that Arnold wasn’t even angry then!!! Holy shit then, you’re right…I don’t want to see you when you’re angry!

[
I fixed your post:)[/quote]

Well, that was profound. Not defending the insurance industry - I hated it. But you really shed no light on your feelings. And, I fail to see where you changed my post at all. [/quote]

Your right. I am internet retarded and just responded when I mEAnt to alter. Mostly pointing out that over generalizations are not the smartest thing in the world. You were part of the insurance industry. You say you hated it, presumably because of the culture and the people involved.

Do you consider yourself an unethical scumbag concerned only with putting as much money in your pocket as possible, or do you think that is an unfair generalization of those involved with the insurance industry? Drs I cant speak for, I know none personally and do not work in a professional setting with any. I know a shitload of lawyers, most of whom are intelligent, respectabe morally upright people.

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sighed and typed loudly as I composed a polite, professional but stern letter to a contractor. Showed him![/quote]

Aaah. The ever popular sternly worded note. I’m no stranger to sending those myself. It’s a little, literary finger wag.

However, I must admit I once made a supplier cry. I didn’t even use bad words or a loud voice.

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sighed and typed loudly as I composed a polite, professional but stern letter to a contractor. Showed him![/quote]

Aaah. The ever popular sternly worded note. I’m no stranger to sending those myself. It’s a little, literary finger wag.

However, I must admit I once made a supplier cry. I didn’t even use bad words or a loud voice.[/quote]

I’ve been working on my “Mom Voice.” It’s not really my style, but it’s surprisingly effective.

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sighed and typed loudly as I composed a polite, professional but stern letter to a contractor. Showed him![/quote]

Aaah. The ever popular sternly worded note. I’m no stranger to sending those myself. It’s a little, literary finger wag.

However, I must admit I once made a supplier cry. I didn’t even use bad words or a loud voice.[/quote]

You are an animal.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If this happens again, after they refuse to leave, instead of cursing at them, calmly lock the door and tell them they cant leave.

Then beat them up with baseball bats. Then throw them out and trash their motorcycles [/quote]

Damn, I love my people.

Great movie… Best quote- “Do somebody hard like coffee cake” “I can’t do coffee cake!” “Put a screen over your face and throw shit at it!”

[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
[
I fixed your post:)[/quote]

Well, that was profound. Not defending the insurance industry - I hated it. But you really shed no light on your feelings. And, I fail to see where you changed my post at all. [/quote]

Your right. I am internet retarded and just responded when I mEAnt to alter. Mostly pointing out that over generalizations are not the smartest thing in the world. You were part of the insurance industry. You say you hated it, presumably because of the culture and the people involved.

Do you consider yourself an unethical scumbag concerned only with putting as much money in your pocket as possible, or do you think that is an unfair generalization of those involved with the insurance industry? Drs I cant speak for, I know none personally and do not work in a professional setting with any. I know a shitload of lawyers, most of whom are intelligent, respectabe morally upright people.[/quote]

I think I did many unethical things under the flag of my employer. Generalizations, like stereotypes, always have a bit more than a kernel of truth to them. We may consider ourselves “moral”, but I assure you when a master is paying your wages, you do more than your fair share of rationalizing what is right and wrong without any regard to true morality.