Doctors Planning Exit Under Obamacare

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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In a survey by a top research firm, six in 10 physicians said it is likely many doctors will retire earlier than planned in the next one to three years.

The same percentage say the practice of medicine is in jeopardy as medical experts lose control of their clinics and compensation with the implementation of the Affordable Health Care for America Act, or Obamacare.

The survey found physicians are pessimistic about the future of medicine.

Fully half expect their incomes to fall dramatically in the next one to three years.

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Obamacare is a clusterfuck and he is already backpedaling on promises/ implementation of it. No one with a brain thinks Obamacare is a good idea.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
Obamacare is a clusterfuck and he is already backpedaling on promises/ implementation of it. No one with a brain thinks Obamacare is a good idea. [/quote]

Any doctor I talk to is against it. My chiropractor told me he’s going to a cash-basis with as many established patients as possible. I already deal cash-only with him. Off the grid, it works for both of us.

I think we’ll be seeing more and more of this as new grads start their careers off. But I’m sure Obamacare has this angle covered.

Rob

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So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors.

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It’s a very complicated problem indeed.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

Not to work for minimum wage?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

I’m assuming you made it through medical school and now practice as a doctor pro bono.

Most likely, they became what they are for the same reason all hard working people get where they are.

Government price setting in any industry will send the hard working scattering to other fields.

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Mrs. Jewbacca works for cash, up front. Does not accept insurance or process it in any way.

Patients who are eligible for Mediwhatever fill out extensive forms waiving certain rights, since it is illegal to provide certain care at a higher price and without going through gubmint channels unless those forms are filled out. (Actually, just to be safe, everyone fills those forms out to make sure the waiver is made.)

There is the potentiality of forcing doctors to accept ObamaCare, at which time she will cease providing any care, as she simply does not want to screw with it, let alone hire 3-4 back office drones to process all the bullshit. By eliminating all the extra overhead, her charges are (ironically) about what the government would pay, but she actually gets to make a profit, instead of paying drones and shuffling paperwork.

Her billing department is her nurse who accepts the credit card or whatever up front.

Oh, and she does not need the money, nor does her work for the money. We just decided against this because you get a much better class of people when they have to foot the bill themselves.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

And that reason would be…?

Zecario, you really should sharpen your reading skills. Note please that this particular article comments on what 60% of doctors perceive what others will do. It does not say that 60% of doctors will retire.

In my first comments, years ago, about this disaster Obamacare, I commented that of 850,000 practicing physicians in th US, some 250,000 would be over 55 and close to retirement between 2014 and 2016. If their margin drops, what inducement keeps them from retiring a few years early?

–Altruism? Yes, I have done my share, and I have had my teeth kicked in for the effort.
–Spiritual enrichment, of the kind that comes when unique skills save a life, or prevent deformity or paralysis? Ok, I have already checked that box.
–Less paperwork, less time battling insurance companies, which now occupies about one-fourth of my work week of 80 hours or more? No, Baucus and his team of infants saw a mess and redesigned 15% of the economy to give absolute power to the chief cause of that mess: the government will take your money and give it to insurance companies, who have complete control over your choices.

What Obamacare offers is a new class, simultaneously entitled and under-served, emboldened by 20,000 new regulations designed to deprive them–and not doctors alone–of their rights and access to meaningful medical care. (Distinguished from that crap called “health care”]

So if there is a doctor shortage, you, Zecario, won’t mind that your diagnois and treatment planning for say, ileal lymphoma, will be conducted by a nurse-practitioner with absolutely no meaningful experience, but who holds sanctions on your care.

You see, naive Zecario, when the whole edifice crumbles, those who “designed” and devolved Obamacare will have to blame someone, and it will be doctors, and not idiot politicians, who will be demonized. “It would have worked if only greedy doctors had only…”

The war on doctors is begun.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

The best doctors get paid the most because they are good at their specialization, work hard, skilled, veterans of their trade and take pride in their work. They often work longer hours and see more patients. Doctors work hard for their money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

What incentive would there be to work harder, longer, and advance your skills as a physicians, if there is no reward? People should be rewarded for being the best at something. Do the best usually also love their career? Yes.

If my pay were capped, I would also do the bare minimum the law requires for that pay. It is pretty simple human nature. And anyone who hails the care in Europe or Canada has never been there for care. It is atrocious unless you have the money to pay in cash - then you can get reasonable care. Otherwise good luck.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

You’re dumber than I remember.[/quote]

Edit: And my memory tells me you were pretty fucking dumb.[/quote]
That’s because this forum, quite obviously, doesn’t screen posters for intelligence. Lucky for you, no?

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

The best doctors get paid the most because they are good at their specialization, work hard, skilled, veterans of their trade and take pride in their work. They often work longer hours and see more patients. Doctors work hard for their money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

What incentive would there be to work harder, longer, and advance your skills as a physicians, if there is no reward? People should be rewarded for being the best at something. Do the best usually also love their career? Yes.

If my pay were capped, I would also do the bare minimum the law requires for that pay. It is pretty simple human nature. And anyone who hails the care in Europe or Canada has never been there for care. It is atrocious unless you have the money to pay in cash - then you can get reasonable care. Otherwise good luck.[/quote]
Let’s apply that to all jobs.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]
Government price setting in any industry will send the hard working scattering to other fields.[/quote]
They can always become teachers.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

You’re dumber than I remember.[/quote]

Edit: And my memory tells me you were pretty fucking dumb.[/quote]
That’s because this forum, quite obviously, doesn’t screen posters for intelligence. Lucky for you, no? [/quote]

No, it’s very unlucky for me. Because of it we get monstrously ignorant posts like the one you made.

You’re a raging liberal with all that goes with it – we understand that – but regardless of one’s location on the political spectrum your post was…monstrously…ignorant. You played the Stupid Man.[/quote]
No, it’s lucky for you because you can actually think, for a brief moment, that you are better than someone else. Isn’t that the whole point of this forum? A bunch of people who are programmed to believe the same thing coming here to commiserate and pat each other on the back for being so much smarter than people who are probably more successful than they’ll ever be. It’s like a Dungeons and Dragons club for guys who claim to lift weights. Didn’t they let you in on the joke?

And what is this “all that goes with” being a liberal? Are you profiling?

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pats Zecarlo on the back and backs away.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So now we know why 6 out of 10 doctors became doctors. [/quote]

The best doctors get paid the most because they are good at their specialization, work hard, skilled, veterans of their trade and take pride in their work. They often work longer hours and see more patients. Doctors work hard for their money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

What incentive would there be to work harder, longer, and advance your skills as a physicians, if there is no reward? People should be rewarded for being the best at something. Do the best usually also love their career? Yes.

If my pay were capped, I would also do the bare minimum the law requires for that pay. It is pretty simple human nature. And anyone who hails the care in Europe or Canada has never been there for care. It is atrocious unless you have the money to pay in cash - then you can get reasonable care. Otherwise good luck.[/quote]
Let’s apply that to all jobs. [/quote]

It does apply to all jobs, so why are you dissing on the doctors? Who spent 12+ years in schooling. And not just anyone can become a physician. Not sure exactly where you argument is… Oh wait you don’t have one.