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Donzi,

I value your battles. I hate mediocrity and mindlessness. I don’t have similar yearnings for the law of the jungle. . . I suppose it is possible to not lose your self-respect and individualism while paying attention to most of those values society holds dear. But as it relates to being a mindless drone and eating up popular culture, no thanks, keep it, not for me.

I’ll be a law-abiding citizen, makes life simpler, in the long run it adds to my freedom (don’t have to figure out who is going to threaten my life next and how I will win). Passions can be pursued that fill the void, have aggression: box, have rage: meditate, fed up with society: volunteer.

In any case I wish you well, particularly with your wife.

Perhaps turning the question on its head is important, don’t ask what is stopping you from having peace; instead ask how you can achieve peace.

All the best

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Buy a bike and join a MC gang.

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…why not move the family to the USA?

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In China the collective is really emphasized but their athletes certainly are wolves. You act one way in society and one way individually, isn’t that an option? I personally see societal collectiveness as an unbelievable strength, and I don’t think it has to turn one into a mediocre, valueless POS.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
When I read this thread and muse on the collective psyche of countries like Sweden, and individuals (worldwide) that share their collective mentality, it reminds me why the sheep of this world so desperately need the sheep dogs, regardless how long it’s been since the last wolf sighting. The numbers of the wolf may ebb and flow but one thing is for sure, they, the wolves, will not go extinct.

Donzi, whatever you do, don’t become that which you abhor; don’t let your bark metamorphize into a bleat. [/quote]

…juvenile bravado, that’s what it is, this sheepdog mentality. Nothing is stopping Donzi from being who he is, except for his own insecurities. Chest beating does nothing to alleviate that, at least not permanently. If he truly feels this strongly about what he wrote, he should pack up and leave, and take his family with him. If that is not an option, i’m sure there are ways to tap into his manliness, like weekend retreats to Viking battle re-enactments, or something like that…

…either way, it’s still baffling to me that people have to depend on circumstance, ideology or nationality for a sense of self and/or purpose in life. Being your own man inspite of circumstance, ideology or nationality, with an innate sense of self and purpose; that makes a man an alpha male. Everything else is bullshit…

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This post really hit home for me. While I can’t say much about my country of origin (due to my occupation, even had to blank out my faces in my training log) I know exactly what he is saying. I grew up in one of the most socialized countries in the world, where you were given assistance in everything: education, health care, car insurance, whatever.

Long story short, I used to think countries like the US (very individualistic) were full of assholes who could care less about their fellow citizens. But after doing some traveling there, I found that people were more helpful and generous than I’ve ever experienced. It’s probably because americans seem to rise to the occasion to offer help, instead of standing by and watch. Even if it isn’t in their best interests, they do what needs to be done, without caring what others think. Like another poster said, they are less susceptible to the sheep mentality.

If you ever travel to europe and get to live in some of the more socialist states, you’ll began to see a pattern of behavior that just doesn’t make sense (given the fundamentals their society is founded on). It’s almost as if someone put something in the drinking water, making most people mindless and docile, never questioning or reacting when the situation calls for it.

There’s a lot of America-hate in the world today, especially where I used to live, and I don’t really understand it. They’re not perfect, but when it comes to doing the right thing when nobody else is, they really do shine.

Anyway, I hope this makes sense gramatically. :slight_smile:

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I think you would like this movie OP.

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Lixy lives in Sweden, nuff said.

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i think your search for the ‘viking spirit’ you spoke of three years ago is telling.

the vikings gave up pillaging the moment they realized that buying and selling was more profitable. they hung up the waraxe, settled down, and converted to christianity.

it seems its in man’s nature to get soft and opt for comfort. in a way, you HAVE found the viking spirit, for better or for worse.

that being said, there are a lot of people who ‘hide’ behind societal values. they say things and act in a manner they never, ever would if there was any real chance they would get physical retaliation. the douche with the radio knew you most likely would never assault him, so it gave him bravado.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
pushharder wrote:
When I read this thread and muse on the collective psyche of countries like Sweden, and individuals (worldwide) that share their collective mentality, it reminds me why the sheep of this world so desperately need the sheep dogs, regardless how long it’s been since the last wolf sighting. The numbers of the wolf may ebb and flow but one thing is for sure, they, the wolves, will not go extinct.

Donzi, whatever you do, don’t become that which you abhor; don’t let your bark metamorphize into a bleat.

…juvenile bravado, that’s what it is, this sheepdog mentality. Nothing is stopping Donzi from being who he is, except for his own insecurities. Chest beating does nothing to alleviate that, at least not permanently. If he truly feels this strongly about what he wrote, he should pack up and leave, and take his family with him. If that is not an option, i’m sure there are ways to tap into his manliness, like weekend retreats to Viking battle re-enactments, or something like that…

…either way, it’s still baffling to me that people have to depend on circumstance, ideology or nationality for a sense of self and/or purpose in life. Being your own man inspite of circumstance, ideology or nationality, with an innate sense of self and purpose; that makes a man an Alpha Male. Everything else is bullshit…

Wouldn’t have expected many to understand my post so don’t sweat it. You sound a little sensitive and defensive.

What’s your take on Dutch mentality in this regard? I have friends who have visited Denmark and relayed comments about the Danes that are similar to Donzi’s about the Swedes.[/quote]

…my take on things like these is that you don’t put up with shit you think is wrong eventhough if that conflicts with societal norms. What you perhaps fail to take into account is the scale of society in these smaller european northern countries. We are forced to find ways to cope with eachother because we are like rats in a box, and in everyday life find it difficult to escape eachother…

…this situation requires us to keep the peace, so to say. In general this works, but there are always people who feel they don’t have to mind others, and i do not accept anymore that rocking the boat is not done. If it increases my quality of life, i’ll rock the boat. Ofcourse, my views on minding other people are universal, so i personally will not annoy my neighbours in any way (-:…

…furthermore, i resent the implication (-: that, somehow, the american male represents the opitome of the noble masculine archetype. This archetype does not exist but in the minds of those who believe in the american dream-meme, and that meme is a powerful one. What is striking about all of this, is that american culture is utterly homogenous, which requires a conforming of the individual to the culture [almost always by choice ofcourse]. From my pov this means that, by definition, it’s the american populace that is sheeple who need a sheepdog to watch over them…

…it is therefore not the non-american who is in need of breaking free, but the american himself who isn’t even aware of the shackles that bind him to a predetermined way of life…

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I am no expert on relationships.

However, as I hope to benefit from the goodwill of the Forum, I must contribute. One must give to receive.

The OP spells out why I have not returned to Sweden (I’m not Swedish, yet I speak it fairly well.) I wish to express my thanks for his clarification on my behalf, even if unknowingly.

It may help to know that extramarital dalliances are often the result of dissatisfaction within the primary relationship. In other words, you were not ‘being the Man’ she married. This is not intended as insult, but as object for contemplation.

How much of your core identity have you sacrificed for her? She can’t tell you to put it back; this might be the best she can do.

In your shoes, I would take bold action, but not without careful consideration of possible consequences.

Keep in mind that children survive their parents. By being true to yourself (and openly informing them of this at the time), you can retain their respect and your honor.

Worth considering. Right now, I’m in a country where women take their pet goldfish to psychologists for counseling. Go figure.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Donzi wrote:
In fact, people here don’t settle their differences at all. They merely ignore them and hope they will just go away.

Same fuckin’ thing happens here in MN…but then it is inhabited by Swedes too.

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Yep.

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How long did it take you to learn Swedish ?
I don’t think I’ve ever even heard what it sounds like.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
…it is therefore not the non-american who is in need of breaking free, but the american himself who isn’t even aware of the shackles that bind him to a predetermined way of life…

This sounds like mostly babble from a whiny bastard.

I do agree that the “sheeple-izing” of American society, in general, is in full swing. We have a great pre-established pattern to go by to make it easier. In Europe.

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…since when is speaking your mind, and be frank about it being a ‘whiny bastard’? This is exactly the kind of forced conformist behaviour i was referring to: either you agree with me, or you be damned!

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
pushharder wrote:
…it is therefore not the non-american who is in need of breaking free, but the american himself who isn’t even aware of the shackles that bind him to a predetermined way of life…

This sounds like mostly babble from a whiny bastard.

I do agree that the “sheeple-izing” of American society, in general, is in full swing. We have a great pre-established pattern to go by to make it easier. In Europe.

…since when is speaking your mind, and be frank about it being a ‘whiny bastard’? This is exactly the kind of forced conformist behaviour i was referring to: either you agree with me, or you be damned![/quote]

since it was pseudo-enlightened bs

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[quote]NycMan wrote:
How long did it take you to learn Swedish ?
I don’t think I’ve ever even heard what it sounds like.[/quote]

Sure you have. Have you ever seen Sesame Street? You know the muppet chef? You know how he talks? That sounds like Swedish.