Just Go to Bed Honey...

[quote]gonta wrote:
Just a few insignificant comments -

firstly, nicely written but you obviously have a lot of pent up hostility.[/quote]

Yeah, I think I do.

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It really isn’t about the noise is it? Be honest. You are frustrated in general. Come on if it is really about the noise there is an easy solution - there are other neighbors - talk to them. If they are bothered by the noise then get them all to speak to the noisy one - or if you need to all get together and phone the cops. [/quote]

Its not about the noise, it was more about the lack of respect and blatant dissing without fear of retaliation. I was made painfully aware that I am indeed bound by unnatural laws that stress my moral fibers to the point of deformation (I know thats called strain but it sounded better;))

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The cops will not ignore 4 or 5 calls about noise.[/quote]

Perhaps, I did call them three times that night and they weren’t phased.

I’m still lifting and starting training for some bobsled competitions but I think I need some MA again. I have no excuse because there is a great training facility right next to the powerlifting gym.

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You were very wise not to “kick down the door” as someone else suggested. your wife and daughter would have loved to see you being hauled away by the police.

I know - i would have loved to punch the shit out of the guy as well but self control is the secret to life. Anyway, I feel for you as I am in a similar position - a stranger in a strange land - that is.

Good luck. i for one would love to hear more from you in the future about how you are coping.[/quote]

Thanks for the feedback and added perspective, it helps.

I must admit that as usual, there is more to the story than is readily apparent. My frustration has been building since the age of 17 when I began to learn about the world as it really is and not as I was either led to believe or perceived it to be. I spent the first 20 years of my life doing what I was either told to do or was convinced to do.

Once I began doing things my way even at my own proffesional or societal stature oriented ‘expense’ (degree in Philosophy instead of engineering) I found out that most people are not willing to break from the majority. I personally find no comfort in numbers. I would rather stand alone on solid ground than fade away in a crowd of uncertainty. I know my view is one sided and a bit jaded but I have been on both sides of the fence and I know for a fact that the majority is wrong 99.99% of the time. I won’t hazard a guess as to the reasons why because I only have so many hours in the day and brain cells to fire. My own pursuits usually take all the brain power I can muster. I find it hard enough to figure out my own true motivations much else a society’s majority. Instead I try and focus on the things that can be manipulated like my own behavioural patterns and situational responses. Because of this, I often put an unneeded amount of thought into even the smallest of actions to ensure that I am not acting for emotional or selfish reasons.

My frustration is indeed the root of my problems with doing things the Swedish way at the current time. I can deal with frustration and can apply the afforementioned techniques to help dispel the aggressive tendencies but I fear once again their is more to the story. I fear that the frustration I feel is a byproduct of my desire to pursue strength instead of weakness, to maintain purity of action and strength of conviction, and most importantly to remain true to my beliefs.

I have grown fond of the feelings of isolation and social dis-integration. It reminds me that I am not on the path followed by the majority. This makes the odds pretty good that I am indeed following the right path, or at least one suited to my personal goals.

If at the end of my journey I find nothing but a sea of frustraion and an oceanliner full of blank faces screaming FUCK YOU then I can take solice in the fact that I will only spend a few moments drowning, and not a lifetime. Because I’ll be damned if I’m gonna board a sinking ship, I’d rather die a wicked death at the hands of a formidable enemy than surrender my life to a majority of baffoons.

I’ve only scratched the surface of what is really causing my frustrations and is driving my pursuits in life. I don’t know how deep or how long this spring of insight will run but as long as it continues to trickle into my soul I’ll follow it. Mostly, in the hopes that I’ll end up spilling into an ocean of fortitude and strength, filled with men and women that can swim on their own; without the fear of drowning.

Hire an electrician to put a breaker on the apartment in question. Pay big bucks and have it done on the sly. Pick a time, and if it is noisy simply go to the basement or such and shut them down.

Make sure it is not easy to spot, because once it is found it is worthless. Maybe it should be in a little box with a key. Be sure to turn it on again before anyone can come to investigate!

You have the power!!! :wink:

[quote]Donzi wrote:

I’ve only scratched the surface of what is really causing my frustrations and is driving my pursuits in life. I don’t know how deep or how long this spring of insight will run but as long as it continues to trickle into my soul I’ll follow it. Mostly, in the hopes that I’ll end up spilling into an ocean of fortitude and strength, filled with men and women that can swim on their own; without the fear of drowning.[/quote]

Beneath that surface of frustrations you just scratched is a current of anger. And there is no way to spill into that ocean of solidity unless you ride the waves of your rage which are the catalist to your elemental power.

Yes it can be done. I am a woman who now swims on her own without the fear of drowning.

When your spirit is free all that rests beside it is small stuff.

All the best in your quest for freedom and autonomy.

Alpha Female

When I was in College, we had this problem in the apartment complex I lived in. There was one appartment that would turn on the music at all hours and just blast it.

we complained and complained, but nothing worked.

One day I saw a closet open in the hallway and there was a guy workign in it. Low and behold there was an electrical box.

Next time the music was booming I jimmied open the closet and started flickin breakers until I got the right one.

Once the music was off, I left the breaker off so they’d have to call the appartment office to get it fixed.

It didnt take long of this dance for them to not turn it up loud.

There has to be an electrical box somewhere you can gain access to.

Good points. I occasionally let my anger cloud the real issue, I’m aware of it though and trying to remedy the situation. I’ve come a long way and see no point in turning back.

Like the search for the 12 Bulls, I hope to end up where I started; enlightened and contented.

[quote]Donzi wrote:
Good points. I occasionally let my anger cloud the real issue, I’m aware of it though and trying to remedy the situation. I’ve come a long way and see no point in turning back.

Like the search for the 12 Bulls, I hope to end up where I started; enlightened and contented. [/quote]

Check out this site: www.enneagraminstitute.com , look up type 9.

It may facilitate the ride.

Anger clouds clarity. You are obviously aware of legal ramafications of your actions and I applaud your restraint…I also sympathize with your feelings of inadequacy. Many people would do much more because of much less. That is not necessarily the “right” answer. Like some have mentioned, work smarter not harder.

I myself have trouble remembering that people no longer fight fair and you could get hurt if you just bring your fists to a gunfight. In no way am I saying for you to use lethal force, just be aware that it is easy for the other person to be waiting with a little piece of metal.

Stay safe…not just for you, but your woman…keep her safe.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Check out this site: www.enneagraminstitute.com , look up type 9.

It may facilitate the ride.

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Type 9 = “The Peacemaker”

Samuel Colt made the only true peacemaker. :slight_smile:

Blatant disrespect and the man who turned his cheek. Not sure where I lie on this one, guys. I’m passive by nature, but telling me to fuck off while I’m asking for quiet- cuz my DAUGHTER IS SLEEPING…wow. I don’t think I could have held on. That’s disrespect to your child. GRRRRR. I salute you, for your resolve. Then I shake my head in shame. How many times does it happen before you get in the habit? What kind of man do you become? Do our children really get to see “superdad” back down time and again because we failed to act just once?

I’m not challenging your manhood by any means, but please for the sake of the rest of the free world at least throw some vaseline on his windshield to show him that while you didn’t get violent, you didn’t lay down, either.

OR, just give in to the sweet animalistic rage and squish his rude ass.

I can relate to how you feel. There is more then one person on this earth I would relish beating the hell out of! Persons that are inconsiderate of others such as in your case or I think the lowest form of scum, liars! The idea of spending twenty or more years sitting in-between three concrete walls and one iron gate is a powerful behavior modification!

The problem with retaliation is that it has to be done anonymous.

This guy has your number, knows where you live.

Anything you do now, will come back at you. You have already made your physical presence known with what might look to be a try at intimidation. I dont know what the laws are in Sweden, but they might have something in the books about intimidation.

I too wish the world was less civil and that confrontations could be settled man to man. Alas this is not the case. We are forced to live in their world of laws.

My suggestion is to try to deal with this through the apartment complex you live in, and after a while plan out something REALLY good.

You have to look like the good guy, not the HOT HEADED American which you will be played, judged, and condemned.

Learn the rules, then learn how to break them.
I actualy did the same thing that you speculated to do. My neighbor was doing the same thing at the same time as yours. So every sunday morning, I would go to my sisters house for coffee and chat.Before I left though, I would turn on my stereo.Its a Carver pre-amp and amplifier. 375 watts at 8 ohms,about 425 at 6 ohms w/ a zero db. signal.Oldschool polk S.D.A. towers. The music- Slayer “Divine Intervention”. So loud and obnoxious it will make your blood boil. Then hit the repeat button on the c.d. player and leave for the day, locking the doors behind me.
It worked realy well. She is one of those types that can serve it up in heaps, but realy doesn’t like it when it comes back even hotter.Upon the inital confrontation about the noise, I made it clear to her son and boyfriend that they were bothering me and my action was in response to theirs.Also that anything else they might have a problem with should just be dropped, or I was going to stomp the guts out of both of them.
It was been a very quiet and considerate relationship ever since. All it took was a little territorial pissing.

Does he own a car? You have a baby. Babies shit. Need I say more.

I did end up retaliating the next morning. My basketball was flat but I found a 1.5" inch thick broomstick that made a good marching stick. My daughter and I marched around banging on the wood floors in the apartment from 8:00am till about 10:00am with a few brief intermissions. It was quite obnoxious and quite obvious as to my intentions, but it was also quite legal.

And I will not back down every time, but I must choose my battles wisely. I’m a stranger in a strange land and like someone pointed out; I need to study up on the laws if I really want to pursue some further action.

[quote]mindeffer01 wrote:
It worked realy well. She is one of those types that can serve it up in heaps, but realy doesn’t like it when it comes back even hotter.Upon the inital confrontation about the noise, I made it clear to her son and boyfriend that they were bothering me and my action was in response to theirs.Also that anything else they might have a problem with should just be dropped, or I was going to stomp the guts out of both of them.
It was been a very quiet and considerate relationship ever since. All it took was a little territorial pissing.
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Humm. Eye-for-an-eye + possible physical intimidation. Would it have worked if only one half of the formula was there???

Warning

Useless dribble below, read at your own risk and don’t expect any resolution.


It’s been a touch over three years since I wrote the post about my loud neighbor.

It was one of those things that took on a life of its own…kind of like a stream of consciousness but with a clear direction.

Since then I moved apartments, changed jobs, had another child and achieved a new level of comfort. I also fell into a deep slumber of sorts. Or as I was warned a long time ago…I grew to like the velvet handcuffs that society provides…but tonight my slumber has been disturbed.

I have nothing to complain about…good job, hot wife, great kids, money in the bank, a few hobbies…but…something is wrong.

My picture of the world has undergone a metamorphosis. You see, I am not renegade, or a rebel. I am a normal guy who abides by society’s unwritten rules. I just happen to have a few rules of my own as well. Things like honor, integrity, and respect have a place in my daily existence. Normally I am able to just superimpose my rules with society’s code and the result is an almost undetectable matrix of the two. But, sometimes there is a glitch…

My first experience with this phenomenon occured when I was just a young child in New Orleans. I was in catholic school like all good irish kids and I was forced to go to confession for the first time. I sat face to face with the priest.

He asked me to confess my sins and I shared a few but then I asked him a question as well. I always wondered why he used a golden chalice and wore expensive robes, his response was that he was honoring Jesus by using expensive things in his daily services.

That people would see a higher meaning to what was said if it was valuable as well…it was at this point that I saw the cracks. And once you see them they can’t be unseen. What he really was saying to my young developing mind was that if Jesus just conformed he would not have been crucified…and neither will I…so long as I am valuable.

This brings me to my point in all of this. I have been reminded that I too am at the mercy my fellow man and her whims. I have had my value questioned…forget honor, integrity, and respect. I have a daily routine that is of value as well…food on tables, safe warm home, support and love abound.

Why then for the love of god can someone allow a stranger to influen…wait.

My wife. My wife is swedish. This statement took me fours years to fully comprehend. Short version is that in Sweden there is no individual thought, action or life. Everything is about the common good…the collective, even at the expense of everyone involved.

My life. My life is half american half irish. I am not afraid of conflict or alienation. I am afraid of weakness and indecision. I hate the group but have no problem being part of it so long as it fosters my core values even at my expense.

I have friends, and they have to follow my my rules as well. Usually they fuck with me over it and after a few wrestling matches we’re good again but my wife’s friends are different.

They are swedish…they see the ultimate goal in a Hume-ian fashion. Total good…more is better less is worse. So its time to put the fish on the table… I am a rebel, a renegade to the swedish social system, I spit in Jante’s face and remind them that they are being exploited through there complacency.

I speed when its safe, I park and don’t always pay, I wear what I want to and I say what I mean. I am a threat. And their job is to crucify me.

So after her online affair with an ex, lots of counseling and communication, I realize that she is not in a marriage…she is in a friendship. Normally, this would probably be a good thing but as I mentioned earlier…in sweden, friendship is about the collective its not about loyalty or respect.

So, here are my velvet handcuffs:

Hot wife who is also a great mom but she is not truly dedicated to anything except the collective. She has no internal requirements for honor, integrity, and respect…but you have to look really close to see it. From the outside she is perfect. But once you see the cracks…

Guess thats what it means to be human…well…its time to go back to sleep. Maybe I’ll see things differently next time I open my eyes.

[quote]Donzi wrote:
In fact, people here don’t settle their differences at all. They merely ignore them and hope they will just go away.
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Same fuckin’ thing happens here in MN…but then it is inhabited by Swedes too.

:expressionless:

[quote]Donzi wrote:
Warning

Useless dribble below, read at your own risk and don’t expect any resolution.


It’s been a touch over three years since I wrote the post about my loud neighbor.

It was one of those things that took on a life of its own…kind of like a stream of consciousness but with a clear direction.

Since then I moved apartments, changed jobs, had another child and achieved a new level of comfort. I also fell into a deep slumber of sorts. Or as I was warned a long time ago…I grew to like the velvet handcuffs that society provides…but tonight my slumber has been disturbed.

I have nothing to complain about…good job, hot wife, great kids, money in the bank, a few hobbies…but…something is wrong.

My picture of the world has undergone a metamorphosis. You see, I am not renegade, or a rebel. I am a normal guy who abides by society’s unwritten rules. I just happen to have a few rules of my own as well. Things like honor, integrity, and respect have a place in my daily existence.

Normally I am able to just superimpose my rules with society’s code and the result is an almost undetectable matrix of the two. But, sometimes there is a glitch…

My first experience with this phenomenon occured when I was just a young child in New Orleans. I was in catholic school like all good irish kids and I was forced to go to confession for the first time. I sat face to face with the priest.

He asked me to confess my sins and I shared a few but then I asked him a question as well. I always wondered why he used a golden chalice and wore expensive robes, his response was that he was honoring Jesus by using expensive things in his daily services.

That people would see a higher meaning to what was said if it was valuable as well…it was at this point that I saw the cracks. And once you see them they can’t be unseen. What he really was saying to my young developing mind was that if Jesus just conformed he would not have been crucified…and neither will I…so long as I am valuable.

This brings me to my point in all of this. I have been reminded that I too am at the mercy my fellow man and her whims. I have had my value questioned…forget honor, integrity, and respect. I have a daily routine that is of value as well…food on tables, safe warm home, support and love abound.

Why then for the love of god can someone allow a stranger to influen…wait.

My wife. My wife is swedish. This statement took me fours years to fully comprehend. Short version is that in Sweden there is no individual thought, action or life. Everything is about the common good…the collective, even at the expense of everyone involved.

My life. My life is half american half irish. I am not afraid of conflict or alienation. I am afraid of weakness and indecision. I hate the group but have no problem being part of it so long as it fosters my core values even at my expense.

I have friends, and they have to follow my my rules as well. Usually they fuck with me over it and after a few wrestling matches we’re good again but my wife’s friends are different.

They are swedish…they see the ultimate goal in a Hume-ian fashion. Total good…more is better less is worse. So its time to put the fish on the table… I am a rebel, a renegade to the swedish social system, I spit in Jante’s face and remind them that they are being exploited through there complacency.

I speed when its safe, I park and don’t always pay, I wear what I want to and I say what I mean. I am a threat. And their job is to crucify me.

So after her online affair with an ex, lots of counseling and communication, I realize that she is not in a marriage…she is in a friendship. Normally, this would probably be a good thing but as I mentioned earlier…in sweden, friendship is about the collective its not about loyalty or respect.

So, here are my velvet handcuffs:

Hot wife who is also a great mom but she is not truly dedicated to anything except the collective. She has no internal requirements for honor, integrity, and respect…but you have to look really close to see it. From the outside she is perfect. But once you see the cracks…

Guess thats what it means to be human…well…its time to go back to sleep. Maybe I’ll see things differently next time I open my eyes.[/quote]

You write well. It sounds like when you are asleep, all is well. But when you arer awake you lead a life of quiet desperation.

What do you want to be, asleep or awake?

[quote]Donzi wrote:
So, here are my velvet handcuffs:

Hot wife who is also a great mom but she is not truly dedicated to anything except the collective. She has no internal requirements for honor, integrity, and respect…but you have to look really close to see it. From the outside she is perfect…[/quote]

Wait, you have a hot wife with no internal requirements for honor, integrity, or respect? AND she’s into handcuffs?

If you’re not using her, can I borrow her?

[quote]Loose Tool wrote:

What do you want to be, asleep or awake?[/quote]

Good question…I guess if I knew the answer there wouldn’t be any desperation.